Isam Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 7 minutes ago, R.Dahlin26 said: And the way Canucks fans talked about Ehlers and Nylander. They only weigh 165 lbs! They would get killed in the western conference! "These smaller players can dominate junior but won't be as effective in the NHL." Pettersson could be playing in the NHL this year and be putting up 50-60 points as a rookie regardless of how much he weighs. Brayden Point apparently had these same issues too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaudette Celly Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 2 minutes ago, Isam said: Brayden Point apparently had these same issues too. Pastrnak 168lbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odd. Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Hutton Wink said: Pastrnak 168lbs He weighs 181. Unless you're saying he was 168lbs in his draft year, then never mind. Edited February 12, 2018 by Odd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cory40 Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 6 hours ago, 420BEAR said: Did you just say that McDavid, Matthews, and Crosby are not franchise players but Subban might be? A franchise player is someone that you build your franchise around. Nearly every team in the league has a one. We all hope that EP can be franchise player. Now with that being said I think a generational talent is a totally different thing. There are very few generational players. (one per generation?) Wayne, Mario, Crosby, Ovi? and with this new generation possibly McDavid and Matthews. I did just say that. And just wait until next year you will Get McDavid if your willing to take his contract on. Franchise players are Gretzky Lemiuex maybe Crosby. But the argument for a player to be called a franchise player when he is just top 10 is just the media trying to sell fans on players to sell magazines etc. McDavid is fast but his passing is subject. If he isn't wide open he doesn't feed the puck through traffic very well, exactly why his point totals are so far off his 12 million dollar projection. Anyways just my opinion . Connor is creeping up the scoring race. Kessel is in his sights. Not his fault Edmonton is a mess. All Connor will see in Edmonton is losing. Been watching them for 12 years and I still can't believe they havn't fired Kevin Lowe. Or had any direction change. They have completely hired guys who feel their going in the right direction and have stayed the coarse of rushing rookies followed by overpaying them followed by trading them away for less than market value. ie Taylor Hall Yak etc. Soon you can add Draisaitl. And how about Lucic. I apolagize for including Crosby in the above list he has absolutely earned his status as a franchise players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dura_mater Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 On 12/02/2018 at 4:44 AM, Rollieo Del Fuego said: If we want Dahlin to feed EP and BB for the next decade...we need to trade for the Oiler's first round pick at the deadline....Tanev and Goldobin should do it... Then we have our own 3rd too 8th pick and the Oiler's lottery win pick....set for life.... No way Edmonton passes up on a chance at a generational D man for Tanev and Goldobin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post MoneypuckOverlord Posted February 13, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted February 13, 2018 7 hours ago, manroth19 said: So EP has elite puck handling, elite shooting, elite passing and elite hockey iq but he’s slight so he’s going to get killed out there? If he’s so good in these other areas do you not believe his smarts and talent with the puck will allow him to avoid hits and adapt to the smaller ice surface? Once the NHL takes notice of his skillset they’re gonna be more hesitant when EP has the puck not more aggressive. Guys like mcdavid and Kane etc sure do get more time and space because of their own creation but just as often it’s the defender giving them respect and not wanting to get burned. Once EP gets his teeth into the league and gets some respect he’ll get less space without the puck and more space when he has the puck. Last I checked there’s no hitting on players without the puck so we shouldn’t be too worried people seem to forgotten... he's been playing against full grown men the last 2 SEASONS. 1 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenhodgejr Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 After this season I hope he has a productive summer in the gym working out and improves in areas that Canucks management feels he needs to improve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfstonker Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 13 hours ago, Rob_Zepp said: Interesting that several commentators in Europe have directly compared his playing style to Kane in how he can work in such tight spaces. I don't know about Johnny G (hopefully he is far less selfish with the puck than the diminutive Flame) but the Kane comparisons seem somewhat logical if you watch EP enough and followed Kane at all when he was similar age. Rob I'm not convinced they are. If I had to describe Kane with one word it would be "hustle", by that he seeks the situations where he can make his speed and size count. With Pettersson I see a "glider" and by that I mean he tends to size up situations, standing off and then gliding into a position to do some damage. I am not sure Peterson's style is like anyone I can think of and it's a pity people (including me sometimes) have to always try to liken young players with established ones. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bp79 Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 15 hours ago, manroth19 said: So EP has elite puck handling, elite shooting, elite passing and elite hockey iq but he’s slight so he’s going to get killed out there? If he’s so good in these other areas do you not believe his smarts and talent with the puck will allow him to avoid hits and adapt to the smaller ice surface? Once the NHL takes notice of his skillset they’re gonna be more hesitant when EP has the puck not more aggressive. Guys like mcdavid and Kane etc sure do get more time and space because of their own creation but just as often it’s the defender giving them respect and not wanting to get burned. Once EP gets his teeth into the league and gets some respect he’ll get less space without the puck and more space when he has the puck. Last I checked there’s no hitting on players without the puck so we shouldn’t be too worried Hell of A post., and bang on. This whole weight thing is so 1994. I hope every nayser reads your post, maybe it will alleviate some of their concerns. It's like you said Players will be less likely to try and take A run at him knowing if they do there is A good chance he will either avoid it or make the defender look silly. When JG came into the league by rights he should have been A top 10 pick based on the pure talent he had. Yet since he was small team after team passed on him. When he made it people here said oh just wait till he gets crushed. and is taken out permanently. Hasn't happened yet. I could be wrong but EP is taller with A frame that should easily be able to put on another 20lbs, without affecting his overall game. So glad JB isn't part of that old boy's club where everyone has to be 63 190+ Not even being A homer but based on skill and ceiling he should have gone top 2, along with Heiskaninein or possibly Middlestat. Nico will be A solid 2nd line guy based on the 20 odd times ive seen him play Patrick. I'm sorry not only is he constantly injured, they are recurring and the kind that can eventually early retirement. 13 point in 47 games for A second overall pick? Who plays 13 mins A game in sheltered mins and the pp. Nico 9 goals 32 points in 57 games playing 16mins A night again sheltered and pp time. for A first overall???? Funny thing is we crap on Jake who plays fewer minutes in A non-offensive role. He gets no sheltered mins and no pp or 3on3 or the 3rd period for that matter. Yet has more points than the 2nd overall pick. Sure haters of Jake will say he is older blah blah blah. I say if he played with the linemates those 2 play with he would have double at least the points he has now 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bp79 Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 (edited) 9 hours ago, cory40 said: I did just say that. And just wait until next year you will Get McDavid if your willing to take his contract on. Franchise players are Gretzky Lemiuex maybe Crosby. But the argument for a player to be called a franchise player when he is just top 10 is just the media trying to sell fans on players to sell magazines etc. McDavid is fast but his passing is subject. If he isn't wide open he doesn't feed the puck through traffic very well, exactly why his point totals are so far off his 12 million dollar projection. Anyways just my opinion . Connor is creeping up the scoring race. Kessel is in his sights. Not his fault Edmonton is a mess. All Connor will see in Edmonton is losing. Been watching them for 12 years and I still can't believe they havn't fired Kevin Lowe. Or had any direction change. They have completely hired guys who feel their going in the right direction and have stayed the coarse of rushing rookies followed by overpaying them followed by trading them away for less than market value. ie Taylor Hall Yak etc. Soon you can add Draisaitl. And how about Lucic. I apolagize for including Crosby in the above list he has absolutely earned his status as a franchise players. I have to Agree. If someone were to write down exactly what Makes A generational player A few things on the list would have to include 1 A Stanley cup Gretz dido Mario, Dido, Crosby, Dido I could go further back but let's keep it to the 80,s 90.s and present. Connor no cup and just my 2 cents but I don't see him as the kind of guy that will be able to elevate his team or carry them on his back. Reason #2 skill There is no doubt he is friggin elite and any team would be better with him. But come on Are we gonna sit here and say this guy is on the same level as the great one? Are we gonna say he is as good as A guy who dominated the league, gets Cancer comes back and still continues to dominate! Or how about Sid and his million cups or this NHL All-Rookie Team, 2 Art Ross Trophy’s, 2 Maurice “Rocket” Richard trophies, 3 Ted Lindsey awards, 2 Hart Memorial Trophies, 4 NHL first all-star team, 3 NHL second all-star team, 6 all-star selections, 2 Mark Messier Leadership awards, 4 Prince of Wales trophies, 3 Stanley Cups, 2 Conn Smythes, 2 Olympic Gold medals, World Championship Gold medal, World Cup of Hockey Gold medal, and 8 ESPY awards. Pretty much everything you can win in hockey. My point is. That maybe he will live up to all the hype, but how do you call someone 10trh in scoring Who was the 4th best player on the Oilers epic collapse in the SCP last A generational player. Guys like mark Spectre need to tone it down A bit. will he be that guy one day? Maybe but he isn't right now CHEERS PS as of right now Austin is showing what A true leader on and off the ice is. Never whines never takes penalties. Plus has the Toronto media like putty in his hand. If I had to choose one right now to build A team around it's him. And I friggin hate the Laughs Edited February 13, 2018 by bp79 content 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 (edited) Fwiw his brother was 6'2 around 160' when drafted in 2013 - he apparently grew by 12 inches over the 3 years before being drafted. He is now 6'2 and 185' per the Admirals' webpage. He just turned 24 in January. Edited February 13, 2018 by mll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 5 minutes ago, mll said: Fwiw his brother was 6'2 around 160' when drafted in 2013 - he apparently grew by 12 inches over 3 years. He is now 6'2 and 185' per the Admirals' webpage. He just turned 24 in January. ??? Hmmmm 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, spook007 said: ??? Hmmmm Before being drafted. I edited. Edited February 13, 2018 by mll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post dura_mater Posted February 13, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted February 13, 2018 1 hour ago, bp79 said: I have to Agree. If someone were to write down exactly what Makes A generational player A few things on the list would have to include 1 A Stanley cup Gretz dido Mario, Dido, Crosby, Dido I could go further back but let's keep it to the 80,s 90.s and present. Connor no cup and just my 2 cents but I don't see him as the kind of guy that will be able to elevate his team or carry them on his back. Reason #2 skill There is no doubt he is friggin elite and any team would be better with him. But come on Are we gonna sit here and say this guy is on the same level as the great one? Are we gonna say he is as good as A guy who dominated the league, gets Cancer comes back and still continues to dominate! Or how about Sid and his million cups or this NHL All-Rookie Team, 2 Art Ross Trophy’s, 2 Maurice “Rocket” Richard trophies, 3 Ted Lindsey awards, 2 Hart Memorial Trophies, 4 NHL first all-star team, 3 NHL second all-star team, 6 all-star selections, 2 Mark Messier Leadership awards, 4 Prince of Wales trophies, 3 Stanley Cups, 2 Conn Smythes, 2 Olympic Gold medals, World Championship Gold medal, World Cup of Hockey Gold medal, and 8 ESPY awards. Pretty much everything you can win in hockey. My point is. That maybe he will live up to all the hype, but how do you call someone 10trh in scoring Who was the 4th best player on the Oilers epic collapse in the SCP last A generational player. Guys like mark Spectre need to tone it down A bit. will he be that guy one day? Maybe but he isn't right now CHEERS PS as of right now Austin is showing what A true leader on and off the ice is. Never whines never takes penalties. Plus has the Toronto media like putty in his hand. If I had to choose one right now to build A team around it's him. And I friggin hate the Laughs Connor McDavid is generational. He's been in the NHL, 2.5 seasons and you're complaining he hasn't won as many cups as Sid? Sid was generational when he entered the league and so is McDavid. End of story. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 8 minutes ago, mll said: Before being drafted. I edited. It was more that you said he was 6'2 before drafted grew 12" and is still 6'2... (If he grew 12" I think he'd be 6'3?)... Anyway never mind bud. It was not to be pedantic... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bp79 Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 22 hours ago, Alflives said: Wayne Gretzky was too slight. Patrick Kane was too slight. Johnny Gaudreau was too slight. I’ve heard this statement about lighter guys lots of times before. Elite skills, and hockey sense will overcome this issue, especially given the new NHL. Plus, PP is HUGE in deciding games. Pettersson, within a year, will be one of the top players in the league. “No point in denying it.”. Note Gretzky’s rookie weight: Again Pettersson has elite skill and hockey sense. 1 First off can I have that card? I will give you My first born. Well, actually my neighbours first born. Can't stand the little turd. Wearing his Bruins jersey Just for that he should be sold. I will also include 3 stray cats for your consumption, Just like AW no Steriods or hormones. The only condition is when it comes to the Cats you give them A nice cocktail of opiates(the good ones and some sleeping pills. I'm no Vegan just don't like to see animals suffer. Plus with all that good stuff in their blood not only will you get A great meal but one hell of A buzz. In all seriousness, I had A feeling people were going to have A bad reaction to the comparison, but the way I see it is you simply pointed out that skinny guys can thrive. And what I think makes your point even more on key is the fact back then Hockey was full of goons TBH its A hell of a lot easier to be small now than it was when Gretz played. As far as people saying well JG and Kane are better suited to their size I say can you give me Fridays winning lotto numbers? There is one thing I know the kid has been playing against men over 200 pounds for 2 years. How many games has he missed due to getting hit? As for the argument that the SHL is full of soft swedes, well guess what it's also full of North American guys who lacked the skill for the NHL. How do you think guys like that find work overseas? by being Pussie cats? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Guile Posted February 13, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted February 13, 2018 13 minutes ago, spook007 said: It was more that you said he was 6'2 before drafted grew 12" and is still 6'2... (If he grew 12" I think he'd be 6'3?)... Anyway never mind bud. It was not to be pedantic... Oooch, that's not how feet and inches work either. I think what mll meant was that from 2010-2013, EP Sr. grew 12" (or 1 ft) from 5'2" to 6'2", then was drafted at 6'2" 160lbs. Since then, has grown wider, just not taller 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bp79 Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 20 minutes ago, dura_mater said: Connor McDavid is generational. He's been in the NHL, 2.5 seasons and you're complaining he hasn't won as many cups as Sid? Sid was generational when he entered the league and so is McDavid. End of story. Based on what exactly? pitts has not missed the playoffs since they drafted him. He has been A playoff performer since the start and has always made the players around him better. I like Connor but he has not earned the right to be compared to those greats. And id is pissed if I was Sid or Wayne or Mario. They put in their dues WTF has Connor done at an nhl level except for regress since the playoffs. Facts are facts. I hope one day he gets their but he isnt there yet Small sample size but just thought I would show you what I think makes A real gen player Sid in his rookie year, averaged in the playoffs 1.00 PPg. His best 1.56. during the reg season which BTW they have made the playoffs every single year. Anyway, his PPg average is 1.30PPG his best 1.66 Connor reg season in A non-dead puck era 1.17. Playoffs 0.69. Hank and Dank have better overall PPg does that make them gen? Obviously no it just makes them elite, just like Connor is. Like I said I'm not bashing him only showing facts. Who knows if he can get out of that cesspool called deadmonton he may become generational yet 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Zepp Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 4 hours ago, alfstonker said: Rob I'm not convinced they are. If I had to describe Kane with one word it would be "hustle", by that he seeks the situations where he can make his speed and size count. With Pettersson I see a "glider" and by that I mean he tends to size up situations, standing off and then gliding into a position to do some damage. I am not sure Peterson's style is like anyone I can think of and it's a pity people (including me sometimes) have to always try to liken young players with established ones. You described Kane perfectly for his USHL and CHL time as he often just waited for a puck to work free and then he would pounce. He avoided the heavy traffic very well and translated that into the NHL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Guile said: Oooch, that's not how feet and inches work either. I think what mll meant was that from 2010-2013, EP Sr. grew 12" (or 1 ft) from 5'2" to 6'2", then was drafted at 6'2" 160lbs. Since then, has grown wider, just not taller Ok hahahaha of course not...,now I get it... as fast as a sloth. My mistake. ... drinks on me Edited February 13, 2018 by spook007 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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