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6 minutes ago, wildcam said:

If we are drafting 4th and the Russian forward is already gone for sure take Tkachuck..

There have been (currently are) great Russian players in the NHL.  If this next one is Malkin, then yes, we want him.  However his offence must be equivalent or better than his (potential) salary demands.  We don’t want a guy who demands 10 million, produces a lot less, but uses the KHL to force us to overpay.  

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11 minutes ago, Alflives said:

There have been (currently are) great Russian players in the NHL.  If this next one is Malkin, then yes, we want him.  However his offence must be equivalent or better than his (potential) salary demands.  We don’t want a guy who demands 10 million, produces a lot less, but uses the KHL to force us to overpay.  

Not that this point is invalid? The Russian factor is certainly  there.

 

But its also overstated.  Look at Kucherov, currently the leagues top scorer, who signed a team friendly deal which helps Tampa compete... Tampa, the leagues top team who routinely drafts Russians because they are undervalued, based on everyone else's fear of the same Russian factor...

 

Meanwhile good Canadian kids like Paul Coffee, Erik Lindros, Roberto Luongo, Americans like Keith Tkachuk, Ryan Kesler also used every leverage know to man to max their earning. And have their say as to where they wanted to play?

 

  

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3 minutes ago, Canuck Surfer said:

Not that this point is invalid? The Russian factor is certainly  there.

 

But its also overstated.  Look at Kucherov, currently the leagues top scorer, who signed a team friendly deal which helps Tampa compete... Tampa, the leagues top team who routinely drafts Russians because they are undervalued, based on everyone else's fear of the same Russian factor...

 

Meanwhile good Canadian kids like Paul Coffee, Erik Lindros, Roberto Luongo, Americans like Keith Tkachuk, Ryan Kesler also used every leverage know to man to max their earning. And have their say as to where they wanted to play?

 

  

The KHL will pay HUGE dollars for their Russian Stars, while they don’t for foreigners, and that’s fine.  If this guy is a gamer, like Malkin, OV, and the other great Russians, I’m all for him.  Otherwise, I’d rather take Tkatchuk if he’s there.  

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3 minutes ago, Canuck Surfer said:

Your entitled to your opinion of course. This particular kid came to N America in the USHL at 16 to best prepare himself for the NHL. At 17 has moved to Barrie of the OHL. Learning our language, culture, playing & dominating on our smaller ice.

 

Further, his older brother is here as well, paying his dues trying to earn an NHL job. When he could make more than an AHL wage in the KHL.

 

You would be passing on an intoxicating blend of size, speed and skill not quite shared by Tkachuk. Svech is ranked top 2 in virtually every draft list I have seen. Only slips to number 3 or 4 on a few. None I have seen behind Keith's kid.  You know Brady's dad jammed his NHL team for max cash as well? Might have even forced the Jets out of Winnipeg? It was a factor, anyway! Its not just Russians that play that game.  He, just my opinion, is more likely to follow in his dad's footsteps than Svechnikov to prioritize the KHL. Early anyway? I disagree with you.

 

FTR, Petterson, as per this thread, is playing in Europe right now.  And getting paid more than he would in the AHL? Crap, no more Swedes, bad attitude, did not sign and go to Utica... 

Good post Surfer. 

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Svech is a beast, no way we should pass on him if he's there. He would mix very well with a guy like Goldobin.

Goldy plays a similar style to Denisenko who just lit it up with Svech at the 5 nations.

I would easily put Gaudette in the middle of those 2 and expect them to be a great line. 

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49 minutes ago, Canuck Surfer said:

Your entitled to your opinion of course. This particular kid came to N America in the USHL at 16 to best prepare himself for the NHL. At 17 has moved to Barrie of the OHL. Learning our language, culture, playing & dominating on our smaller ice.

 

Further, his older brother is here as well, paying his dues trying to earn an NHL job. When he could make more than an AHL wage in the KHL.

 

You would be passing on an intoxicating blend of size, speed and skill not quite shared by Tkachuk. Svech is ranked top 2 in virtually every draft list I have seen. Only slips to number 3 or 4 on a few. None I have seen behind Keith's kid.  You know Brady's dad jammed his NHL team for max cash as well? Might have even forced the Jets out of Winnipeg? It was a factor, anyway! Its not just Russians that play that game.  He, just my opinion, is more likely to follow in his dad's footsteps than Svechnikov to prioritize the KHL. Early anyway? I disagree with you.

 

FTR, Petterson, as per this thread, is playing in Europe right now.  And getting paid more than he would in the AHL? Crap, no more Swedes, bad attitude, did not sign and go to Utica... 

While I agree that Svech is probably the clear #2 in the draft, and if they get that pick they will take him, JB has amassed a nice collection of skilled players and Tkachuk would bring some sandpaper (with skill) to the org........something that is missing in spades.

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12 minutes ago, Virtanen The Great said:

Let's wait until Pettersson plays in the nhl a bit before making decisions on that. Very happy with pettersson. But hischier is having a great rookie season.

A lot of people will always overvalue the unknown versus "now" production.  That's why they have fits when a 2nd round pick gets traded for the decent production of Baertschi or cry over Subban getting traded for the boring but necessary 30 games of Dowd.  Unless your at the top of the league, the "now" is less exciting than the "could be".

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2 hours ago, stawns said:

While I agree that Svech is probably the clear #2 in the draft, and if they get that pick they will take him, JB has amassed a nice collection of skilled players and Tkachuk would bring some sandpaper (with skill) to the org........something that is missing in spades.

If the concept of drafting for need is in place?  We need D more than sandpaper. Although I agree Tkachuk would be a great add...

 

I'm still undecided on drafting 4th.  I am on record as going BPA if its a clear differentiation? I am actually leaning to Brady. He's bigger and stronger than most forwards he plays against, competitive battling skills do stand out & he makes plays. He's a winner. When I have watched Boqvist he did not stand out as light and day faster than everyone else on ice? But I'm still watching. 

 

The other problem with BPA is most (fans at least, but also too many scouts) see shiny big point totals on forwards. Everyone gets excited and exclaims them BPA. Whereas Karlsson was the fastest skater in the world.  And that should have been picked up? Many D are in fact the BPA. It gets missed too often. 

 

I do believe you have to make space & draft for need when its close. And you have to make sure you  balance that out over time. Investing only one or two 1st round draft picks every 20 years on D will constantly put pressure on us to field a competitive team. 

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1 hour ago, Butters Stoch said:

So are we just stretching the definition of "generational" now to describe any player with a ppg potential or are you guys honestly saying this kid is guaranteed to be in the same conversation as Gretzky, Crosby, McDavid, etc by the end of his career.

I agree that people are stretching the phrase, but are you honestly saying that McDavid is in the came conversation as Gretzky at this juncture? Especially considering the season that EDM is currently having?

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1 hour ago, Butters Stoch said:

So are we just stretching the definition of "generational" now to describe any player with a ppg potential or are you guys honestly saying this kid is guaranteed to be in the same conversation as Gretzky, Crosby, McDavid, etc by the end of his career.

Depends who is judging?

 

I for example see Toews as elite. Not generational.  Bergeron on the edge? Doughty on the edge...In part because of the drive and sheer will to win. What they are willing to do for their team. Also that it works & they do flat out win! But are they unstoppable? Keith is closer. 

 

Crosby was & is the best player of his generation.  It also translated into winning, because he has the same battle and compete skills to go with his talent.  Ovi was next closest.  And that compete level being a notch down, will make a big hit but coach has to get him to back check, is probably why he also did not win as much? But oooooh, ooooodles of unstoppable talent. Magnificent! The best D of the last 25 years is easily Lidstrom? A nice balance of raw skill, untiring flight with the puck, gamesmanship & compete. For a dozen years, he outskated & commanded complete control of games for 25 minutes a night! That makes him pretty much generational...

 

Bure, pre-injury was absolutely unstoppable. McDavid has that ability... You also have to do it for a career!

 

I personally would say Petterson is trending to elite. And no complaints about that.  Separated from McDavid, or Kane, by sheer electric agility and speed. Maybe similar skills though, balance, vision, perhaps a better shot? And it seems he also competes harder. Wins battles, checks, steals pucks. I read somewhere that almost no goals have been registered on Vaxjo while he has been on the ice 5 on 5.  

 

So we'll see? It is pretty exciting!

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2 hours ago, 48MPHSlapShot said:

I agree that people are stretching the phrase, but are you honestly saying that McDavid is in the came conversation as Gretzky at this juncture? Especially considering the season that EDM is currently having?

 

2 hours ago, Canuck Surfer said:

Depends who is judging?

 

I for example see Toews as elite. Not generational.  Bergeron on the edge? Doughty on the edge...In part because of the drive and sheer will to win. What they are willing to do for their team. Also that it works & they do flat out win! But are they unstoppable? Keith is closer. 

 

Crosby was & is the best player of his generation.  It also translated into winning, because he has the same battle and compete skills to go with his talent.  Ovi was next closest.  And that compete level being a notch down, will make a big hit but coach has to get him to back check, is probably why he also did not win as much? But oooooh, ooooodles of unstoppable talent. Magnificent! The best D of the last 25 years is easily Lidstrom? A nice balance of raw skill, untiring flight with the puck, gamesmanship & compete. For a dozen years, he outskated & commanded complete control of games for 25 minutes a night! That makes him pretty much generational...

 

Bure, pre-injury was absolutely unstoppable. McDavid has that ability... You also have to do it for a career!

 

I personally would say Petterson is trending to elite. And no complaints about that.  Separated from McDavid, or Kane, by sheer electric agility and speed. Maybe similar skills though, balance, vision, perhaps a better shot? And it seems he also competes harder. Wins battles, checks, steals pucks. I read somewhere that almost no goals have been registered on Vaxjo while he has been on the ice 5 on 5.  

 

So we'll see? It is pretty exciting!

Not many goals 5 on 5 but lots of his goals are off the rush and either beating defensemen wide or powering through tight space. And a shot for his age that will only get better. And he might have the best one timer I have seen since Pavel Bure. That's a shot few players can hit. If any. Brock has had a few one timers that look good. But Elias blows one timers past the goalie in the same spot time and time again. And the funny thing about it. Goalies know where he is shooting and still can't get to it. Now to say generational before a player plays a game is all hype. But he is a generational prospect which their is very few of them in drafts. McDavid has the potential to be a generational player but is developing the same way Edmonton has developed all their high picks. McDavid will be a force, but may be trade bait in a year if he doesn't progress. Esp with a 12 mill contract. 

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2 hours ago, Canuck Surfer said:

If the concept of drafting for need is in place?  We need D more than sandpaper. Although I agree Tkachuk would be a great add...

 

I'm still undecided on drafting 4th.  I am on record as going BPA if its a clear differentiation? I am actually leaning to Brady. He's bigger and stronger than most forwards he plays against, competitive battling skills do stand out & he makes plays. He's a winner. When I have watched Boqvist he did not stand out as light and day faster than everyone else on ice? But I'm still watching. 

 

The other problem with BPA is most (fans at least, but also too many scouts) see shiny big point totals on forwards. Everyone gets excited and exclaims them BPA. Whereas Karlsson was the fastest skater in the world.  And that should have been picked up? Many D are in fact the BPA. It gets missed too often. 

 

I do believe you have to make space & draft for need when its close. And you have to make sure you  balance that out over time. Investing only one or two 1st round draft picks every 20 years on D will constantly put pressure on us to field a competitive team. 

I agree that they need dmen, but in the top 10, my preference is always with a fwd, especially in the top 5.  Dmen are too hard to nail down at draft age and outstanding dmen can come from later picks.  Picks 4-6 I would prefer Tkachuk, but wouldn't cry at Boqvist, I think he's going to be a rock solid dman.

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EP and AG are going to bring as much excitement to the Canucks ...next year...as BB and BH are providing this year...that is the main reason they are both locks...

 

They have the talent and tenacity to fill seats...a whole lot of seats....

 

...on the side discussion...I think BT screws us Umberger (sp.?) style or just waits it out in college if we take him....It's a D. for me...even Bouchard would be better than anything available at 7th or 8th...which is were we will likely be...we need the Oiler's first round pick this year...somehow...even if we just trade ours for theirs ...it's a can't lose....

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1 hour ago, cory40 said:

 

Not many goals 5 on 5 but lots of his goals are off the rush and either beating defensemen wide or powering through tight space. 

I think he meant that Vaxjo rarely get scored on 5 on 5 with Pettersson on the ice.

He's a reliable 2-way forward whose relentless pursuit of the puck is almost as impressive as his play with it. 

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1 hour ago, Pepe Silvia said:

Think JB and TL will draft BT over AB? Would FA even let that happen? D is a priority but I wouldn't pass on SA or FZ.

 Nice work using initials. Otherwise your asking questions that no one has the answers to. Our drafting is about as predictable as the Vancouver weather. 

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