SingleThorn Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 Really enjoy that 'nucks fans have a good news story in EP. The part of the EP story that CDCers seem to be exaggerating is how JB rocked all the other gms. I love this pick, but go through the first 15 picks. They're all having great seasons. I really don't see any gm crying in his office over their pick. Excellent draft year by early indicators. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 21 hours ago, stawns said: sadly, yes you do. It's a smaller, quicker man's game now. Tell that to Ovechkin? Toews also has as many titles as Kane? As does Malkin, more. Bergeron is mid size, Getzlaf big and they have titles. MVP consideration / credibility in recent times? And Pettersson might be 160 something lbs? But he's 6'2'' & has a long reach, which he routinely takes advantage of... EP appears to have amazing dexterity and balance. Evasive with body control, almost Sedin like but owning better dangles. A never ending motor, elite processing of the game and shot. But I would not say he has elite speed? Nor the electric agility and quickness of Giroux, Kucherov or Kane... It is about how any one player leverages their physical attributes? To outmanoeuvre opponents. Tampa and the year of the small quick players is just this years theme... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 2 minutes ago, Canuck Surfer said: Tell that to Ovechkin? Toews also has as many titles as Kane? As does Malkin, more. Bergeron is mid size, Getzlaf big and they have titles. MVP consideration / credibility in recent times? And Pettersson might be 160 something lbs? But he's 6'2'' & has a long reach, which he routinely takes advantage of... EP appears to have amazing dexterity and balance. Evasive with body control, almost Sedin like but owning better dangles. A never ending motor, elite processing of the game and shot. But I would not say he has elite speed? Nor the electric agility and quickness of Giroux, Kucherov or Kane... It is about how any one player leverages their physical attributes? To outmanoeuvre opponents. Tampa and the year of the small quick players is just this years theme... Two players of equal skills; one is 160 and the other is 210. Clearly all GMs will choose the heavier player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 9 minutes ago, Alflives said: Two players of equal skills; one is 160 and the other is 210. Clearly all GMs will choose the heavier player. Yeah, but they wont be equal. Each will have their own skills, way of breaking down opponents. Teams have as much trouble stopping Patrick Kane as they do 230 lb Ovechkin. And I take 195 lb Crosby or 6'2'' McDavid over both. My point was you cant paint the same thing with different brush strokes. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 2 minutes ago, Canuck Surfer said: Yeah, but they wont be equal. Each will have their own skills, way of breaking down opponents. Teams have as much trouble stopping Patrick Kane as they do 230 lb Ovechkin. And I take 195 lb Crosby or 6'2'' McDavid over both. My point was you cant paint the same thing with different brush strokes. Totally agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rekker Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 2 minutes ago, Canuck Surfer said: Yeah, but they wont be equal. Each will have their own skills, way of breaking down opponents. Teams have as much trouble stopping Patrick Kane as they do 230 lb Ovechkin. And I take 195 lb Crosby or 6'2'' McDavid over both. My point was you cant paint the same thing with different brush strokes. I get you. But still. All things being equal. All things. Size will tip the scales. It's still a physical game. Especially if your goal is to win a seven game series times four. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 1 hour ago, appleboy said: I am just not in an rush. If some of them need time to get stronger or just mature a bit that's fine with me. We will have another group from this years draft and next and so on.............. The Oilers rushed their prospects in and ruined most of them. Gaudette is older and might be the most ready. Drafting is only the first step then there is this thing called developing. The Oilers thought developing meant throw them into the NHL at 18 and hope they figure it out. I agree with your take on the Oilers rushing their prospects. Then they topped that off with signing them for big money and long term. I watched the Oilers-NYR last night for a bit. Absolutely brutal effort from most of the Oilers. They loo like they have shut it down. I have been a critic of the Canucks carrying to many vets but always defer to Benning and Green as to the pace of bringing in prospects. Green showed in Utica how he could build teams and I am sure he can do it in Vancouver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 2 minutes ago, rekker said: I get you. But still. All things being equal. All things. Size will tip the scales. It's still a physical game. Especially if your goal is to win a seven game series times four. Tampa will probably win a cup this year with Brayden Point as 1C. At this stage in their careers, I reckon he's harder to guard than Kopitar or Getzlaf. Size is a team thing. Boston and LA won cups having waves of big physical guys busting heads on the fore-check. In the corners. But so is speed. Which is why Pitt just won a couple of cups, Chicago did as well & Tampa is about to. In the end, you have to create a match up the other team cannot guard! 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rekker Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 13 minutes ago, Canuck Surfer said: Tampa will probably win a cup this year with Brayden Point as 1C. At this stage in their careers, I reckon he's harder to guard than Kopitar or Getzlaf. Size is a team thing. Boston and LA won cups having waves of big physical guys busting heads on the fore-check. In the corners. But so is speed. Which is why Pitt just won a couple of cups, Chicago did as well & Tampa is about to. In the end, you have to create a match up the other team cannot guard! I agree its a team thing. But if Point and Kopitar battle it out ten times in a corner Kopitar will win more than five of them. And also have less chance of injury which bodes well in a seven game series. I'm not totally disagreeing with you though as Point may win more of the open ice battles. But for playoffs size is an asset. TB just picked up a very solid McDonough with good size. If Hedman equals PK or Keith in skill I would take Hedman in a series all day long. Chara and his wing span are still killing it. It's kind of a tough thing to discuss because it does, as you said, depend on team dynamics. I am very interested to see how Winnipeg does this year. They are built a little more towards old school with more size than most with lots of skill still. Will be interesting too see how they pan out. Then you see a player like Leipsic come along and even though he's small he is a tornado to play against. But does he fair better in a seven game series than say a Josh Anderson? Could discuss it all day is suppose. I do know that everything in sports and hockey is reciprocal. Always is. Skill and speed is the name of the game today till a big team comes along and wins a few cups. Size will come around at some point and factor more into the equation again. Its always revolving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Zepp Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 10 hours ago, Wonder__Bread said: I'm just going to leave this here... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rollieo Del Fuego Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 13 hours ago, ReggieBush said: That team would get absolutely hammered. ...and we will see about that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cory40 Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 16 hours ago, Rollieo Del Fuego said: EP / Bo / BB Dahlen / Gaudette / Virtanen Lipsiec / Sutter / Goldy Gaunce / Motte / Eriksson Gagner or MacEwen....guess who I would choose.... ...by Xmas....if Sedins retire... That line up would be destroyed but have absolute power when on their game. But with-out Veterns when they are hemmed in they might not recover and really blow up any gains in confidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johngould21 Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 2 hours ago, rekker said: I agree its a team thing. But if Point and Kopitar battle it out ten times in a corner Kopitar will win more than five of them. And also have less chance of injury which bodes well in a seven game series. I'm not totally disagreeing with you though as Point may win more of the open ice battles. But for playoffs size is an asset. TB just picked up a very solid McDonough with good size. If Hedman equals PK or Keith in skill I would take Hedman in a series all day long. Chara and his wing span are still killing it. It's kind of a tough thing to discuss because it does, as you said, depend on team dynamics. I am very interested to see how Winnipeg does this year. They are built a little more towards old school with more size than most with lots of skill still. Will be interesting too see how they pan out. Then you see a player like Leipsic come along and even though he's small he is a tornado to play against. But does he fair better in a seven game series than say a Josh Anderson? Could discuss it all day is suppose. I do know that everything in sports and hockey is reciprocal. Always is. Skill and speed is the name of the game today till a big team comes along and wins a few cups. Size will come around at some point and factor more into the equation again. Its always revolving. Winnipeg could be a darkhorse this season. They've got size, speed, toughness, and are suited to grind it out, or speed in the playoffs. The only thing they lack is playoff experience. In his prime the Canucks exposed Chara by getting in on the forecheck on his side of the ice. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johngould21 Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 9 minutes ago, cory40 said: That line up would be destroyed but have absolute power when on their game. But with-out Veterns when they are hemmed in they might not recover and really blow up any gains in confidence. I agree, Rollieo's lineup looks like the Coilers lineup, 4 or 5 years ago. We all know how well that turned out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rekker Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 32 minutes ago, johngould21 said: Winnipeg could be a darkhorse this season. They've got size, speed, toughness, and are suited to grind it out, or speed in the playoffs. The only thing they lack is playoff experience. In his prime the Canucks exposed Chara by getting in on the forecheck on his side of the ice. Ya. Will be cheering on the Jets for sure. Chara almost single handedly shut down the twins in 2011 though. Especially on their home ice where they could match lines better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanuckleHorse Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 15 minutes ago, rekker said: Ya. Will be cheering on the Jets for sure. Chara almost single handedly shut down the twins in 2011 though. Especially on their home ice where they could match lines better. If the refs called some of those vicious cross checks to the lower back that he did every shift after the Rome hit maybe he wouldn’t have been such a big factor. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post rekker Posted March 4, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted March 4, 2018 7 minutes ago, CanuckleHorse said: If the refs called some of those vicious cross checks to the lower back that he did every shift after the Rome hit maybe he wouldn’t have been such a big factor. Oh baby don't even get me started. I have a tough time discussing what happened in 2011 and the reffing. It puts me in a bad place. I will agree with you and leave it at that. 3 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johngould21 Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 1 hour ago, rekker said: Ya. Will be cheering on the Jets for sure. Chara almost single handedly shut down the twins in 2011 though. Especially on their home ice where they could match lines better. Not for the first two games he didn't. It was dump and chase into Chara's corner. They turned him into a turnover machine. Then the rules changed in Bawston. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xbox Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 12 hours ago, Wonder__Bread said: I'm just going to leave this here... Well, you got it dead on so I have to get credit when it's due. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 5 hours ago, rekker said: I agree its a team thing. But if Point and Kopitar battle it out ten times in a corner Assuming Point does not get there first, and already have moved the puck. The game is also not just played in the corners. Its who has the puck to start and can hold onto it. Then beat their man and open up seems or lanes. Create chances. Which leads back to Elias. Incredible balance. Even though he does not have shoulders the size of a truck. He puts his hip on defenders and holds the puck away from them with his reach. Still has complete manoeuvrability, which few do? Even more rare, can still dangle under such pressure. Has his head up, makes unreal play after play, and undresses guys. Watch him play > He always has the puck, not opposing teams big guys. Better, he's always hounding the puck when he doesn't. Trying to get it back. Poking at the puck carrier. Jumping in lanes. He's always stealing the puck. Battles for pucks better than you would think. He's always ''on!'' 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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