48MPHSlapShot Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 Well, considering we're not a playoff team and likely won't be next year... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RetroCanuck Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 1 minute ago, 73 Percent said: I get where he's coming from. I'm not sure if you've been watching Winnipeg but they would have killed us physically. yes but everyone gets a little tougher in the playoffs, don't get me wrong we are going to need a couple tougher guys in the future when we are ready to contend but for now skill is more important and making sure that skill is NHL ready physically. We already have some tougher players like Virtanen, Guddy & Gadjovich and players like Horvat, Gaudette, Leipsic, Boeser, Stecher are going to be no easy pushovers in the future. I agree we are going to need some more toughness in the future but those can be found through free agency and later draft picks. Tryamkin could come back as well. The need for toughness is one of the reasons Id like to see us draft a guy like K'Andre Miller in the second round or someone like Curtis Douglas or Ivan Muranov in later rounds. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Camel Toe Drag Posted April 14, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted April 14, 2018 42 minutes ago, vannuck59 said: Both Pettersson and Dahlen need another year in Sweden to mature after watching the playoffs so far it would be a mistake to have these kids in the NHL . He hasn't even played yet, man. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Camel Toe Drag Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 27 minutes ago, vannuck59 said: Really you expect these kids to compete at this level subject to the abuse the NHL and AHL give out ! One more year of maturing before your new shinny toys are come over would do wonders for their development. whats the rush? 30 minutes ago, 73 Percent said: I get where he's coming from. I'm not sure if you've been watching Winnipeg but they would have killed us physically. We're also a team at the opposite end of the cycle compared to these playoff teams it's completely unfair to compare toughness and fight ability to guys like Wheeler, Big Buff, Myers and even Scheifele for that matter. This is a team in their prime years. You have to start playing the game before you can get better at it. You don't come into the league 100% prepared for every aspect of the game. For what we're trying to accomplish here in Van in the coming years we want our kids to get exposure and develop. It's how we are eventually going to get to the next level. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReggieBush Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 1 hour ago, vannuck59 said: Both Pettersson and Dahlen need another year in Sweden to mature after watching the playoffs so far it would be a mistake to have these kids in the NHL . You are failing to take into account an entire offseason of training and muscle gain. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReggieBush Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 46 minutes ago, vannuck59 said: Yah and I have been watching Winnipeg every player on that team have dropped the gloves. We will get killed by the Jets. Because Elias and Jonathan are going to fight? That is what you are implying. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Gaudette Celly Posted April 14, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted April 14, 2018 1 hour ago, vannuck59 said: Both Pettersson and Dahlen need another year in Sweden to mature after watching the playoffs so far it would be a mistake to have these kids in the NHL . Because they need to return to leagues that they DOMINATED, as 19 and 20 year olds, no less? Meanwhile Marner, Pastrnak, Bratt, Kerfoot, Arvidsson, Point, etc. have all been destroyed because they came in too early... or they learned to scrap it out... which is it? 2 1 3 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isam Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 (edited) 19 minutes ago, ReggieBush said: Because Elias and Jonathan are going to fight? That is what you are implying. I think he gets his knowledge from the foremost hockey movie ever made in "youngblood." Why didn't rob Lowe defend the swayze? Lol Edited April 14, 2018 by Isam 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 1 hour ago, vannuck59 said: Both Pettersson and Dahlen need another year in Sweden to mature after watching the playoffs so far it would be a mistake to have these kids in the NHL . Kids develop in the NHL now too, especially those with elite skill. These two guys have elite skill that will make them superstars. They will do well next season right here in Vancouver. I could see guys like Lind and Gadjovic, who are less skilled, needing extra time in the A. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vannuck59 Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 What I'm saying is one more year would help them both mature mentally and physically there is no rush, give them a few NHL games then send them back to mature like I said no rush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vannuck59 Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 15 minutes ago, Alflives said: Kids develop in the NHL now too, especially those with elite skill. These two guys have elite skill that will make them superstars. They will do well next season right here in Vancouver. I could see guys like Lind and Gadjovic, who are less skilled, needing extra time in the A. You have to do whats best for the players not for the fans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 Just now, vannuck59 said: What I'm saying is one more year would help them both mature mentally and physically there is no rush, give them a few NHL games then send them back to mature like I said no rush. Shouldn’t players who dominated at one level move to the next level? Superstar elite guys like Pettersson and Dahlen are hyper competitive. They need to challenge themselves. They need to compete at the highest level. That internal drive makes them special. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 1 minute ago, vannuck59 said: You have to do whats best for the players not for the fans Shouldn’t players who dominated at one level move to the next level? Superstar elite guys like Pettersson and Dahlen are hyper competitive. They need to challenge themselves. They need to compete at the highest level. That internal drive makes them special. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isam Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 4 minutes ago, vannuck59 said: What I'm saying is one more year would help them both mature mentally and physically there is no rush, give them a few NHL games then send them back to mature like I said no rush. If they're ready they're ready. Point is we won't know till camp so why keep bringing this argument up. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vannuck59 Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 1 minute ago, Alflives said: Shouldn’t players who dominated at one level move to the next level? Superstar elite guys like Pettersson and Dahlen are hyper competitive. They need to challenge themselves. They need to compete at the highest level. That internal drive makes them special. Shure if they are ready we shall see wont we. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post 48MPHSlapShot Posted April 14, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted April 14, 2018 (edited) 31 minutes ago, Hutton Wink said: Because they need to return to leagues that they DOMINATED, as 19 and 20 year olds, no less? Meanwhile Marner, Pastrnak, Bratt, Kerfoot, Arvidsson, Point, etc. have all been destroyed because they came in too early... or they learned to scrap it out... which is it? If you're the best player in your respective league (in your first year of playing in said league in Pettersson's case), one could make the argument that you're ready to take the next step. These guys aren't kids that need to be breastfed every step of the way. Edited April 14, 2018 by 48MPHSlapShot 1 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 16 minutes ago, vannuck59 said: What I'm saying is one more year would help them both mature mentally and physically there is no rush, give them a few NHL games then send them back to mature like I said no rush. I don't think JB is going to risk the future to get them in the lineup before they are ready. If it's clear that they aren't, they'll be in Utica 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phat Fingers Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 (edited) 18 hours ago, vannuck59 said: What I'm saying is one more year would help them both mature mentally and physically there is no rush, give them a few NHL games then send them back to mature like I said no rush. Their talent and abilities will decide where they play next season. No need to get worked up about until we see them in camp. There are many different ways to deal with toughness and adding a few guys that can encourage push back isn’t a bad idea for next season. So more size on the back end, hopefully with some skill and the ability to make opposing teams think twice before running our net would be nice. Going after John Carlson would be a logical move for JB. He ticks a lot of boxes and we will have a ton of cash to play with. There are a few bottom six wingers that would be able to encourage the whole line up to push back. Guys like Jake and Bo have it in them. Without some reinforcement thru signing a guy like Reeves they will be hung out to dry. We have some youth with grit but they aren’t ready to take on players like Buff. With our best players all being young, if the plan is to compete next year they need support. JB has to address that this off season. Dorsett was a heart and soul guy, but not the player that puts fear into the bullies of the league. It’s not complicated. If EP is good enough skill wise, then he will play. But to expect him to take on the big bad guys on the NHL. No. That’s why Reeves is in the NHL. That’s why the leafs signed Matt Martin. That’s why Odjick skated with Bure. Reeves will make it easier for players like Bo and Jake to assert themselves without having to take on the other teams Reeves. That’s too much for them. Best example of this was when Jake took on the pos in NJ. Unfortunately he got hung out to dry and I think that incident negatively impacted Jake. EmW Edited April 15, 2018 by Eastcoast meets Westcoast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khay Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 19 hours ago, Alflives said: Shouldn’t players who dominated at one level move to the next level? Superstar elite guys like Pettersson and Dahlen are hyper competitive. They need to challenge themselves. They need to compete at the highest level. That internal drive makes them special. Wholeheartedly agree with the bold. What is the point of dominating the same league over and over again, well unless you are an underaged player and have no other choice? EP will come in next season and immediately make impact on the PP right away. 5-on-5 play, I think may take some time. I think having Sutter is great as it gives the coaching staff an option to try Pettersson at C right away and go with Dahlen-Pettersson pair to begin the season. The coaches can give sheltered minutes to Dahlen-Pettersson until they can hold their own with Sutter doing most of the tough minutes and Bo-Boes doing most of the 1st line scoring duties. Watching Pastrnak put up a 6 point playoff game made me real jealous last night. Pastrnak is 6'0, 188 pounds according to the NHL. He put up 24 points in 36 games in Allsvenskan before moving up to the Bruins where he put up 27 points in 46 games. When he first came over, he was probably around 170ish, no more than180 pounds and still held his own. It took one more season of 0.5 PPG before he gained enough strength to support his skills en route to becoming a PPG and 30+ goal scorer. Pettersson should be able to report to camp at around 170ish I think. That is good enough in the current NHL in my opinion; he will run our PP and get a bit of sheltered minutes in 5-on-5 plays. It will take him one or two seasons to reach 180-185 pounds range at which point, he is essentially around Henrik's weight and very well break out and become a 90+ point player. I think if the coaching staff is smart and let's him run #1PP, he will score at least 20 goals and get 50 points. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khay Posted April 15, 2018 Share Posted April 15, 2018 1 hour ago, Eastcoast meets Westcoast said: Their talent and abilities will decide where they play next season. No need to get worked up about until we see them in camp. There are many different ways to deal with toughness and adding a few guys that can encourage push back isn’t a bad idea for next season. So more size on the back end, hopefully with some skill and the ability to make opposing teams think twice before running our net would be nice. Going after John Carlson would be a logical move for JB. He ticks a lot of boxes and we will have a ton of cash to play with. There are a few bottom six wingers that would be able to encourage the whole line up to push back. Guys like Jake and Bo have it in them. Without some reinforcement thru signing a guy like Reeves they will be hung out to dry. We have some youth with grit but they aren’t ready to take on players like Buff. With our best players all being young, if the plan is to compete next year they need support. JB has to address that this off season. Dorsett was a heart and soul guy, but not the player that puts fear into the bullies of the league. It’s not complicated. If EP is good enough skill wise, then he will play. But to expect him to take on the big bad guys on the NHL. No. That’s why Reeves is in the NHL. That’s why the leafs signed Matt Martin. That’s why Odjick skated with Bure. Reeves will make it easier for players like Bo and Jake to assert themselves without having to take on the other teams Reeves. That’s too much for them. Best example of this was when Jake took on the pos in NJ. Unfortunately he got hung out to dry and I think that incident negatively impacted Jake. EmW Carlson would be nice but maybe we can save up some cap space and go after Doughty in two off seasons. Doughty can very well see that LA is on the decline and I think he wants to play on a team on the rise. I guess the chance is still not very high but I prefer Doughty to Carlson although Doughty will be more expensive. We need #1D to complete the rebuild and Doughty is exactly the type that we need. And I get a sense that he and Kopitar aren't getting along too well, no strong basis for this feeling but just feels that way. This is of course is assuming that we don't win #1 overall pick this season. If we do, everything changes like what Matthews did for TO's rebuild. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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