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In retrospect it's a good thing we let Linden, Bure and the Twins get some seasoning with the farm team.  Imagine how less stellar their careers would have been had we rushed them straight into the NHL as teenagers!!

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20 minutes ago, timberz21 said:

Actually, I'm not saying bring him with the Canucks or send him to Sweden.  I'm saying let the kid show what he can do in training camp and take it from there.    Part of his evaluation will be his strenght.  If his strenght is not good in pre-season, it will show and will affect his play and it will be taken into consideration when the Canucks do their final decision.  You don't send him to Sweden based on his strenght only.  It's only part of the equation and ultimately will affect his play if truly not ready.

 

People are arguing like it's a lock on way or the another.  The truth is we don't know.  4-5 months until the season start is a lot of time, things will change.  WHen I think back of the frail Mathew Barzal I saw in junior and at WHJC, I never would have thought he would held his own in the NHL this year.  Pretty sure, NYI didn't expect that either, but they had no choice but to leave him there and give him more responsability.

of course they will give him the opportunity to make the team next season. he just shouldn't be rushed if he isn't ready. 

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17 minutes ago, smithers joe said:

of course they will give him the opportunity to make the team next season. he just shouldn't be rushed if he isn't ready. 

sometimes you don't know until a guy gets a chance, and the NHL is moving more and more to putting kids in early vs. over-ripe. I think its inevitable now that EP gets at least a 9 game look to start the season. If he's really overmatched even when getting lots of o-zone time thats when he'll go to Utica imo. 

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1 hour ago, timberz21 said:

Nico Hischier and his 175lbs frame didn't prevent him to play 82 games, playing 16min per night.   Marner is still listed at 175lb too.  Why do you assume Pettersson will get hurt?  Dahlin is listed at 181 and every hockey experts have him playing in the NHL next year.  

 

 

Why?

 

Because he's a GD Canuck man

 

Odds are he breaks his leg, heals ruptures his testicle, heals, catches mono gets better than separates his shoulder.  All in 2 weeks.

 

I think it's safe to worry about the long term viability of our kids especially when this team seems to attract bad luck for injuries like no other

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8 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

Why?

 

Because he's a GD Canuck man

 

Odds are he breaks his leg, heals ruptures his testicle, heals, catches mono gets better than separates his shoulder.  All in 2 weeks.

 

I think it's safe to worry about the long term viability of our kids especially when this team seems to attract bad luck for injuries like no other

It's just funny that our most injury proned players are usually our big and/or tough guys...Guddy, Sutter, Salo, Edler, Dorsett, while our supposedly "soft" players like the Sedins basically went their whole career without a serious injury (except for Daniel's concussion due to a dirty play)

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Watched the Sweden vs Czech game over the weekend. The first full game I've watched Pettersson play. He didn't play much in the 3rd, and I was fine with that. Sweden had a narrow lead and wanted to protect that, meaning, bodies would be banging and the pace quicken. The first two periods you could see the creativity, the hockey IQ, he knew where to be, where to put the puck. Every time it seemed he had the puck in his zone, he was the key factor in getting it up the ice and into the Czech zone. Also created a few scoring chances. He's going to be a great player one day. I say he makes the Canucks next year at 175-180. He's too smart/skilled a player not to make the team. And with the Sedins gone, management is going to need to sell the future, they'll want him in the lineup. 

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1 hour ago, timberz21 said:

Actually, I'm not saying bring him with the Canucks or send him to Sweden.  I'm saying let the kid show what he can do in training camp and take it from there.    Part of his evaluation will be his strenght.  If his strenght is not good in pre-season, it will show and will affect his play and it will be taken into consideration when the Canucks do their final decision.  You don't send him to Sweden based on his strenght only.  It's only part of the equation and ultimately will affect his play if truly not ready.

 

People are arguing like it's a lock on way or the another.  The truth is we don't know.  4-5 months until the season start is a lot of time, things will change.  WHen I think back of the frail Mathew Barzal I saw in junior and at WHJC, I never would have thought he would held his own in the NHL this year.  Pretty sure, NYI didn't expect that either, but they had no choice but to leave him there and give him more responsability.

I was going to make a similar post. It does not make a lot of sense to try to decide right now where Pettersson will play next season. I assume he will play in the young stars, then play at main camp, and get a look to start the season. Then a decision can be made.

 

We can of course all make educated guesses as to how things are likely to work out. Normally, it makes sense to look at how players of similar age and background have done. We can't do that in this case because Pettersson has no comparables. He has done better than anyone else in the modern era at his age in the SHL and, for that matter, in the  Allsvenskan before that. Guys who have done almost well (Forsberg, Sedins, Naslund) did alright in the NHL as young guys. So, on the numbers, Pettersson appears likely to be able to play effectively in the NHL next season. (Applying league translation factors, we would expect him to score at a good second line level next year, maybe marginal first line level and improve from there.)

 

But there is always uncertainty. Personally, I expect him to play on the Canucks next season. But, if for developmental or strategic reasons, the decision is for him to play in Utica, fine.

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Comparing Pettersson to guys like Hischier, Ehlers, Marner, etc. doesn't work because all of those guys are better skaters, have a higher top speed and more agility/balance on their skates. Pettersson's skating is good, but those guys are just simply better. Pettersson's balance isn't at NHL level yet. He falls way too often in games. Those other guys spend a lot less time lying on the ice than him. They don't play the same game. 

 

He'll figure it out and be a really good player, but it'll take some time before all those parts of his game are brought up to speed.

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11 minutes ago, JamesB said:

But there is always uncertainty. Personally, I expect him to play on the Canucks next season. But, if for developmental or strategic reasons, the decision is for him to play in Utica, fine.

Pretty much my opinion as well.  When drafted, Benning had indicated it would be a while before he was in the NHL and that he would be more of a project.  But I don't think anyone expected him to do as well as he did, and now it makes it really hard not to put him on the team if he shows well in camp. If management feels that he needs a year in the AHL, then I appreciate that and would rather develop him properly via that route.  But if they feel he can play in the NHL right away (which I find likely), then give him a sheltered role on the team and go from there.  

 

I DO expect him to be a 1st line player for us, but that may take a couple of years.  Which is fine - considering all the other young talent that needs to develop as well, and probably won't do so at quite the same pace.

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We can debate whether you think hes ready or not but your nuts if you think the slippery swede will spend more than a 1/3 of the season in the AHL next year. Most if not all of his season will be in the NHL. Were not talking about a player that has good attributes were talking about a truly elite talent.  The kid makes everyone else around him better and that alone will keep him in the show. 

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I think if they stick Pettersson in Utica for the start of next season, fans will be annoyed and irritated. Like they would've been if Boeser played in Utica last year. I'm fairly confident Elias makes the team next year. Best young player in Sweden (maybe ever), playing well at the Worlds with other world class (incl: NHL) players. His slap shot is almost 100 mph (I wonder what it will be when he puts on 20-30 pounds). His only issue is he needs to put on some weight (muscle), for puck battles, along the boards etc. When he finally finishes playing hockey this year, I'm sure he'll hit the gym hard. This kid is confident (without being arrogant) and wants to be the best. No one will stop Elias.

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3 hours ago, vannuck59 said:

Yah do believe what you write.  LOL I am not saying he is a bust for Gods sakes! Im saying for the whole two games I watched My impression was he needs more time to develop . No rush to bring him over period. You all got your panties in a knot . How is rushing him in will it help! Let him dominate another year then bring him over.

Thats just what i mean. Its not rushing him. Rushing someone is putting an 18 year old in a top 6 position with no veterans to help you out in hockey or life, ala Nugent Hopkins, Eberle, Yakupov. EP is not being rushed because he is ready. Its just the way it is. Chicago didnt rush Kane, Nj didnt rush Hischier, Philly didnt rush Patrick,  Buffalo didnt rush Eichel, Florida didnt rush Ekblad, Colorado didnt rush McKinnon or landeskog, Edmonton didnt rush McDavid, Pittsburgh didnt rush Crosby, and they all made it at 18 yo if in not mistaken. EP has the talent, tenacity, and work ethic that makes it neary impossible for this to be labelled rushing him. He has Edler Markstrom and Eriksson as veteran swedes to help him out on the daily, and has a bunch of people there to help with his development —> Edler Tanev Sutter Horvat Boeser Gudbranson Jokinen/Vanek (possibly) Markstrom, and a more than competent coach in TG. He will be on the roster in october, and it wont be a mistake. 

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37 minutes ago, Horvat is a Boss said:

Comparing Pettersson to guys like Hischier, Ehlers, Marner, etc. doesn't work because all of those guys are better skaters, have a higher top speed and more agility/balance on their skates. Pettersson's skating is good, but those guys are just simply better. Pettersson's balance isn't at NHL level yet. He falls way too often in games. Those other guys spend a lot less time lying on the ice than him. They don't play the same game. 

 

He'll figure it out and be a really good player, but it'll take some time before all those parts of his game are brought up to speed.

EP has more magic than all those guys...so you can't compare them...to him...!

 

EP is just trying too hard, he has speed that is close to all those guys...he is just trying to "fly" too much...once he settles in...watch out!

 

EP spends no time lying on the ice he bounces back up and usually still has the puck...

 

Just watch....

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1 hour ago, Rollieo Del Fuego said:

I wonder if he could carry all the medals and awards he has received this year...they probably weigh more that EP....

He doesn't have the leg or core strength apparently...

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I have a feeling the Sedins will be hanging around Rogers Arena occasionally next season lol. I'm not sure they'll be able to stay away and get on with normal life, completely. How great would that be for Pettersson, coming to a new city in a new country, and greeted by the legendary Sedin twins. I'm hoping anyway, that the Sedins remain in the picture, even just behind the scenes, to help Pettersson and Dahlen get accustomed to NA life and being a pro.  

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1 minute ago, bree2 said:

like i have said before. some of you are just looking for ep to  fail!!!   he is not failing. so  leave it alone.!!!!

I think of it as being cautiously optimistic. We've never had a prospect of this caliber before, not since Bure.

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