zduck14 Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 9 minutes ago, Rollieo Del Fuego said: I hope to see those 2 lines by Xmas...could well be magic...! As much as I'd like to see it by then, I just can't see Dahlen beating out Goldobin or Liepsic yet. I'm certain Dahlen will be the better player but feel like he could use a year in Utica with a few callups throughout the year. I do think that Goldobin will have a decent year this year however and think by around the trade deadline that the lines will look like: Goldobin - Horvat - Boeser Baertschi - Pettersson - Virtanen 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rollieo Del Fuego Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 1 hour ago, zduck14 said: As much as I'd like to see it by then, I just can't see Dahlen beating out Goldobin or Liepsic yet. I'm certain Dahlen will be the better player but feel like he could use a year in Utica with a few callups throughout the year. I do think that Goldobin will have a decent year this year however and think by around the trade deadline that the lines will look like: Goldobin - Horvat - Boeser Baertschi - Pettersson - Virtanen ...and I hope you are right as well...that would give us one more top 6 player....an embarrassment of riches... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TGT68 Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, zduck14 said: As much as I'd like to see it by then, I just can't see Dahlen beating out Goldobin or Liepsic yet. I'm certain Dahlen will be the better player but feel like he could use a year in Utica with a few callups throughout the year. I do think that Goldobin will have a decent year this year however and think by around the trade deadline that the lines will look like: Goldobin - Horvat - Boeser Baertschi - Pettersson - Virtanen baertchi horvat boeser leipsic petterssen virtanen that would be my optimistic guess. But I just don't see goldy making it with Dahlen, Jasek, Lind and Gadjovich on his heals now. He will be the next Boucher (player who used up all their big league chances). Edited July 28, 2018 by TGT68 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phat Fingers Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 IDK what points Pettersson will score but I do think he has the two way game and IQ to play this season. As a winger or as a center. If he is playing center I would think he gets some size on the wings. I could also see him have another c/w on that line as well. Someone mentioned a Virtannen Pettersson Sutter line. Sounds decent to me. Swap Sutter with Ganger and that could Ben a decent second line with Sutter being the shut down guy along with Beagle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfgang Durst Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 On 27.7.2018 at 8:40 PM, Rollieo Del Fuego said: If Nylander can put up 60 points in consecutive seasons....why are people so conservative on what EP might be able to accomplish this year....EP will go into the corners, he will steal pucks and break up odd man rushes and.....he will block the odd shot as well as having WAY mor talent than Willy.... 70 points is the minimum he puts up given 80 games played and given only 10 points or so in his first 20 games...from there no team is going to keep him from getting a PPG ....just watch... that's far too optimistic. Nico Hischier is a could example in terms of production. He had just 52 points in his rookie year and benefited extremely from Taylor Hall playing on the same line. Will Elias Pettersson have a similar calibre of winger on his line? For sure not. You can argue that EP played one season pro in the SHL and Hischier came directly from Juniors. That makes probably a difference in terms of the production. On the other hand you can argue that Hischier enjoyed the year at Halifax as an adjustment year to get accustomed to the North American way of play. Pettersson will need some time to adjust to the north american style of play (NHL is a lot faster, more intense and more physical than the SHL). Given the linemates he will probably play with I expect him to hit the 50 points mark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rollieo Del Fuego Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 24 minutes ago, Wolfgang Durst said: that's far too optimistic. Nico Hischier is a could example in terms of production. He had just 52 points in his rookie year and benefited extremely from Taylor Hall playing on the same line. Will Elias Pettersson have a similar calibre of winger on his line? For sure not. You can argue that EP played one season pro in the SHL and Hischier came directly from Juniors. That makes probably a difference in terms of the production. On the other hand you can argue that Hischier enjoyed the year at Halifax as an adjustment year to get accustomed to the North American way of play. Pettersson will need some time to adjust to the north american style of play (NHL is a lot faster, more intense and more physical than the SHL). Given the linemates he will probably play with I expect him to hit the 50 points mark. Without looking it up I will guess that BB's season last year ...even though he missed a quarter of it to injury...was still better than any previous Taylor Hall year to last year. BB is a better winger for EP than Taylor puck-hog Hall would be....and will score more goals this year than a Late 20's Hall...! I think EP would have outscored Nico last year...this year he will better 52 points by a wide margin...given the games... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RetroCanuck Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 23 hours ago, Eastcoast meets Westcoast said: IDK what points Pettersson will score but I do think he has the two way game and IQ to play this season. As a winger or as a center. If he is playing center I would think he gets some size on the wings. I could also see him have another c/w on that line as well. Someone mentioned a Virtannen Pettersson Sutter line. Sounds decent to me. Swap Sutter with Ganger and that could Ben a decent second line with Sutter being the shut down guy along with Beagle. Although I think Pettersson could step right into our lineup as a winger, I think perhaps his and the organizations best course of action for him would be to spend a month or two in Utica centring a line with perhaps Dahlen and Lind as his wingers. They could gain chemistry and Pettersson could adapt back to the centre position. Plus it would help with the logjam we have at forward and allow us to trade some forwards while integrating in the prospects. Start the season with Goldy-Bo-Boeser Leipsic-Sutter-Virtanen Baertschi-Beagle-Granlund Roussel-Gagner-Schaller Gaunce Edler-Tanev Del Zotto- Stecher Hutton-Guddy Pouliot-Biega Marky Nilsson Trade Gagner and Baertschi and replace them with Pettersson and Dahlen. Trade Del Zotto and Hutton and replace them with Juolevi and McEneny or Sautner or Brisebois. Trade Tanev and replace with Chatfield. Trade Nilsson and replace with Demko. Goldy-Bo-Boeser Dahlen-Pettersson-Virtanen Roussel-Beagle-Eriksson Leipsic-Sutter-Schaller Granlund Edler-Stecher Juolevi-Guddy Pouliot-Biega McEneny-Chatfield Marky Demko Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rollieo Del Fuego Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 6 minutes ago, RetroCanuck said: Although I think Pettersson could step right into our lineup as a winger, I think perhaps his and the organizations best course of action for him would be to spend a month or two in Utica centring a line with perhaps Dahlen and Lind as his wingers. They could gain chemistry and Pettersson could adapt back to the centre position. Plus it would help with the logjam we have at forward and allow us to trade some forwards while integrating in the prospects. Start the season with Goldy-Bo-Boeser Leipsic-Sutter-Virtanen Baertschi-Beagle-Granlund Roussel-Gagner-Schaller Gaunce Edler-Tanev Del Zotto- Stecher Hutton-Guddy Pouliot-Biega Marky Nilsson Trade Gagner and Baertschi and replace them with Pettersson and Dahlen. Trade Del Zotto and Hutton and replace them with Juolevi and McEneny or Sautner or Brisebois. Trade Tanev and replace with Chatfield. Trade Nilsson and replace with Demko. Goldy-Bo-Boeser Dahlen-Pettersson-Virtanen Roussel-Beagle-Eriksson Leipsic-Sutter-Schaller Granlund Edler-Stecher Juolevi-Guddy Pouliot-Biega McEneny-Chatfield Marky Demko The only problem with that idea is the old adage from JB that if a player earns a spot he will be on the team....and there is no way EP won't be earning a spot. Gaunce will clear waiver's in my opinion and Liepsic or Goldy can be the 13th forward... That will give EP the spot he no doubt deserves and give us some talent in the press box. I am all for trading Gagner or Erikkson or even Baertschi even before the season if JB can pull it off. Trading MDZ or Hutton may have to wait until we build them up a bit with some playing time with EP and whoever.... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RogersTowell Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 45 minutes ago, Rollieo Del Fuego said: Without looking it up I will guess that BB's season last year ...even though he missed a quarter of it to injury...was still better than any previous Taylor Hall year to last year. BB is a better winger for EP than Taylor puck-hog Hall would be....and will score more goals this year than a Late 20's Hall...! I think EP would have outscored Nico last year...this year he will better 52 points by a wide margin...given the games... I share your enthusiasm for EP, but with a modicum of caution. I would be happy to see EP bag 52 in the NHL this year - it would be indicative of 80+ in his prime. It's possible you will see EP hit higher than that next year, but I'd say not highly probable. Thing is, EP has exceeded expectations at every level, so it is indeed possible that he'll do it again but this time at the top level in the world. His world's tournament results were a bit lacklustre and that's the one data point that indicates a cautious outlook for the coming season. Of course, if we use WC as indicative of future success, we'll win a cup based on Nilsson's play. It will be exciting to see how EP's season plays out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locke Lamora Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 I have been consistent that the smaller ice surface will not be ideal for him at his current frame. I saw him struggle a bit with it at World Juniors against his age peers. Now he will be up against big, fast men in that condensed space. The insane talent will help mitigate this to a considerable degree. But I still think it's prudent to approach his first NHL experience with this mindset: hopeful yet cautious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rollieo Del Fuego Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 The higher the competition the better EP plays.... That is partly due to having better teammates around him but I think he just elevates his game to another level when pressed.... His World championship tourney against some of the best players in the world was way better than his junior tourney and he kept getting better and better every game until he pulled a move that was more dynamic than I have ever seen at a speed that even McJesus could not pull off....only to just clip the post with both the puck and his thumb... ending his tourney. The smaller ice surface will only make things easier for him...he has no problem working in a phone booth...and the pinpoint passes won't have to travel as far... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phat Fingers Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 1 hour ago, RetroCanuck said: Although I think Pettersson could step right into our lineup as a winger, I think perhaps his and the organizations best course of action for him would be to spend a month or two in Utica centring a line with perhaps Dahlen and Lind as his wingers. They could gain chemistry and Pettersson could adapt back to the centre position. Plus it would help with the logjam we have at forward and allow us to trade some forwards while integrating in the prospects. Start the season with Goldy-Bo-Boeser Leipsic-Sutter-Virtanen Baertschi-Beagle-Granlund Roussel-Gagner-Schaller Gaunce Edler-Tanev Del Zotto- Stecher Hutton-Guddy Pouliot-Biega Marky Nilsson Trade Gagner and Baertschi and replace them with Pettersson and Dahlen. Trade Del Zotto and Hutton and replace them with Juolevi and McEneny or Sautner or Brisebois. Trade Tanev and replace with Chatfield. Trade Nilsson and replace with Demko. Goldy-Bo-Boeser Dahlen-Pettersson-Virtanen Roussel-Beagle-Eriksson Leipsic-Sutter-Schaller Granlund Edler-Stecher Juolevi-Guddy Pouliot-Biega McEneny-Chatfield Marky Demko I think JB can easily make room for EP. Only Horvat and Boeser are ahead of him on the depth chart. Would love to ad a top six left wing or somehow make Eriksson into a top six wing to really blend the lines. Boeser is skilled enough to carry a line and so is Horvat. Baer Horvat EP Eriksson Gagner Boeser Or some version of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putgolzin Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 27 minutes ago, Rollieo Del Fuego said: The higher the competition the better EP plays.... That is partly due to having better teammates around him but I think he just elevates his game to another level when pressed.... His World championship tourney against some of the best players in the world was way better than his junior tourney and he kept getting better and better every game until he pulled a move that was more dynamic than I have ever seen at a speed that even McJesus could not pull off....only to just clip the post with both the puck and his thumb... ending his tourney. The smaller ice surface will only make things easier for him...he has no problem working in a phone booth...and the pinpoint passes won't have to travel as far... Is there video if this somewhere? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray_Cathode Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 On 2018-07-27 at 9:27 PM, TGT68 said: baertchi horvat boeser leipsic petterssen virtanen that would be my optimistic guess. But I just don't see goldy making it with Dahlen, Jasek, Lind and Gadjovich on his heals now. He will be the next Boucher (player who used up all their big league chances). Goldy played well at the end of last year - a much more complete game after some seasoning with Cull. Dahlin, Jasek, Lind, and Gadjovich still may need that and still have to prove something to the Canuck coaches. There is another player that could be creating a lot a pressure for a spot - Gaudette - and after a Hobey Baker and managing to impress Greene with his complete game, may also be fighting for a spot - this kid is no slouch, he too might be a top six player - and led all college players in PP goals, as I recall this past year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 39 minutes ago, nzan said: Is there video if this somewhere? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanukfanatic Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 2 hours ago, Rollieo Del Fuego said: The higher the competition the better EP plays.... That is partly due to having better teammates around him but I think he just elevates his game to another level when pressed.... His World championship tourney against some of the best players in the world was way better than his junior tourney and he kept getting better and better every game until he pulled a move that was more dynamic than I have ever seen at a speed that even McJesus could not pull off....only to just clip the post with both the puck and his thumb... ending his tourney. The smaller ice surface will only make things easier for him...he has no problem working in a phone booth...and the pinpoint passes won't have to travel as far... This is your professional opinion again? Like the ones below you made?? June 30 Elias Pettersson | C/RW Rollieo Del Fuego replied to -Vintage Canuck-'s topic in Prospects / In the System I don't think Hughes is going to let himself be sent back to college June 10 2018 NHL Entry Draft Rollieo Del Fuego replied to Zfetch's topic in Prospects / In the System I guess I owe you an apology then....I say some things that some people think are "crazy" and some of those people have pinned quotes of me up on there page to try to show me up....so far no-one has been able to do that. June 8 Elias Pettersson | C/RW Rollieo Del Fuego replied to -Vintage Canuck-'s topic in Prospects / In the System EP is better than Backstrom.....right now June 5 7th Overall: 2018 CDC Draft Consensus Rollieo Del Fuego replied to funkyfresh's topic in Prospects / In the System Hughes will likely be gone but I still like Dobson better.. I, for one, will pass on using your talent judging ability lol. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rollieo Del Fuego Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 1 hour ago, SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME said: EP actually made a nice play the shift after breaking his thumb... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TGT68 Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 2 hours ago, Ray_Cathode said: Goldy played well at the end of last year - a much more complete game after some seasoning with Cull. Dahlin, Jasek, Lind, and Gadjovich still may need that and still have to prove something to the Canuck coaches. There is another player that could be creating a lot a pressure for a spot - Gaudette - and after a Hobey Baker and managing to impress Greene with his complete game, may also be fighting for a spot - this kid is no slouch, he too might be a top six player - and led all college players in PP goals, as I recall this past year. I didn't include Gaudette as being a center and where he has developed I don't see goldy competing with him at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfgang Durst Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 13 hours ago, Rollieo Del Fuego said: Without looking it up I will guess that BB's season last year ...even though he missed a quarter of it to injury...was still better than any previous Taylor Hall year to last year. BB is a better winger for EP than Taylor puck-hog Hall would be....and will score more goals this year than a Late 20's Hall...! I think EP would have outscored Nico last year...this year he will better 52 points by a wide margin...given the games... BB will play on the right wing on the 1st line together with Bo. My best guess is that BB will play on the same line as Pettersson. Here are some options for right wingers playing with EP: - Jake Virtanen - Loui Erkisson Here are some options for left wingers playing with EP: - Markus Granlund - Brandon Leipsic Neither of them is nearly as good as Taylor Hall. All of them are mediocre forwards. Hence the 50 point mark is an attainable goal for EP in his rookie season given the linemates he probably will play with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post 73 Percent Posted July 30, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted July 30, 2018 4 hours ago, Wolfgang Durst said: BB will play on the right wing on the 1st line together with Bo. My best guess is that BB will play on the same line as Pettersson. Here are some options for right wingers playing with EP: - Jake Virtanen - Loui Erkisson Here are some options for left wingers playing with EP: - Markus Granlund - Brandon Leipsic Neither of them is nearly as good as Taylor Hall. All of them are mediocre forwards. Hence the 50 point mark is an attainable goal for EP in his rookie season given the linemates he probably will play with. Wat? 1 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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