Jump to content
The Official Site of the Vancouver Canucks
Canucks Community

2018 NHL Entry Draft


Zfetch

Recommended Posts

2 minutes ago, mikeyman109 said:

If you have inside information please share but i know Keith is not fond of Vancouver and that will play into this at some point.

Keith is not his kids or management of his kids. Unless Brady has stated that he won't play in van like say Josh Rosen won't play for the Cleveland browns then this story has no legs.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Just now, Isam said:

Keith is not his kids or management of his kids. Unless Brady has stated that he won't play in van like say Josh Rosen won't play for the Cleveland browns then this story has no legs.

Again if you have inside information to share please do but parent have their opinions stamped all over their kids. I believe thats part of the reason benning didnt take the other Tkachuck kid.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

5 minutes ago, mikeyman109 said:

I have seen a couple of Boqvists games and a few more of Bouchard. and I could ask anyone else the same question.

My comments come from a combination of the games i have watched, highlights i have seen opinions i trust i have read and the fact that I prefer larger defensive players with size at the back end. Whether you agree with my opinion or not I have mine and it starts with size with Skill on the back end. Smurfs are not winning cups. Tampa has bigger D, someone asked about Gostishere, but he is like 5'11 on a team with no D smaller than him. We have room for one thats one player in the Stecher, Hutton Pouliot mode that play smaller than they are. We need to get bigger all through out the lineup to endure the punishment the playoffs dish out. Bigger but not to give up skill to do it. I envision our D looking like Tampas.

I am not an NHL scout although i play one on TV.

Ok. What is the difference. To me, it is the attacking ability combined with a bigger cannon of a shot that has boqvist ahead. Another thing that I noticed with boqvist is his play in the neutral zone is better, generating more turnovers etc. I like Bouchard alot. To me he is the most complete defensemen outside of the Swedes and Dobson. But his skating and overall athleticism is not on par with boqvist.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 minutes ago, mikeyman109 said:

If you have inside information please share but i know Keith is not fond of Vancouver and that will play into this at some point.

I'm a lot less concerned about Keith liking the Canucks as I am the fact he is just plain an arsehole.  Keith also gave the Jets no favours > smashed them for max pay even when it near (it actually did) bust the team.  Matthew spews vitriol just like his dad. And Brady is ''more competitive'' than both according to some reports?

 

I'm sure when either Matthew or Brady have no choice as to where they go get $1.95 mill per season, they will go.  And play hard.

 

But come contract time, I'd be more concerned about the Tkachuk factor, than the Russian factor with Svechnikov! I have no doubt it would matter not what team it is?

 

They will leverage for max jam with everything at their disposal!

 

And if like their dad, show up for camp fat, self entitled and with a me first attitude, believing if he can punch some Swede in the face all will be forgotten...

Link to comment
Share on other sites

4 minutes ago, mikeyman109 said:

Again if you have inside information to share please do but parent have their opinions stamped all over their kids. I believe thats part of the reason benning didnt take the other Tkachuck kid.

Again.. do You? Where is the so called claim that tkachuks hates van so much.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

9 minutes ago, Canuck Surfer said:

I'm a lot less concerned about Keith liking the Canucks as I am the fact he is just plain an arsehole.  Keith also gave the Jets no favours > smashed them for max pay even when it near (it actually did) bust the team.  Matthew spews vitriol just like his dad. And Brady is ''more competitive'' than both according to some reports?

 

I'm sure when either Matthew or Brady have no choice as to where they go get $1.95 mill per season, they will go.  And play hard.

 

But come contract time, I'd be more concerned about the Tkachuk factor, than the Russian factor with Svechnikov! I have no doubt it would matter not what team it is?

 

They will leverage for max jam with everything at their disposal!

 

And if like their dad, show up for camp fat, self entitled and with a me first attitude, believing if he can punch some Swede in the face all will be forgotten...

Sorry man you are right.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 minute ago, Isam said:

Ok. What is the difference. To me, it is the attacking ability combined with a bigger cannon of a shot that has boqvist ahead. Another thing that I noticed with boqvist is his play in the neutral zone is better, generating more turnovers etc. I like Bouchard alot. To me he is the most complete defensemen outside of the Swedes and Dobson. But his skating and overall athleticism is not on par with boqvist.

for me it comes down to size with skill over potential to be a player. Boqvist is doing what he does as a younger player in a league with wide open bigger ice surfaces. I am more concerned that a D cannot do what he does here. He is smaller in size and that can play against him here like Stecher on Staal the other night. I think we need to start with a foundational defenseman. . Bouchard is the most complete package to me and there's the added bonus of Evan playing in London with Juolevi.

I can understand people making the Boqvist argument, i just think Bouchard is a better fit. Its just my opinion.

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

44 minutes ago, mikeyman109 said:

Again if you have inside information to share please do but parent have their opinions stamped all over their kids. I believe thats part of the reason benning didnt take the other Tkachuck kid.

Aw man you made me believe you understood the whole BPA thing, then you go and spread a tabloid rumour like this.

 

Benning took his BPA. There was no high school drama like your insisting. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

4 hours ago, DeNiro said:

If Brady Tkachuk becomes a Blake Wheeler level player would you pass on him? I wouldn't.

 

We can't afford to pass on a power forward because we have Virtanen. If Tkachuk is the BPA at our pick we take him.

Yeah, I like Tkachuk more than Zadina. Tbh, if Dahlin or Svechnikov are gone, then I hope we draft Tkachuk.

 

Zadina just doesn't entice me. He doesn't necessarily drive the play, he's not overly fast or good at skating, though he has a good shot but tbh that's about it. A lot of the play driving and playmaking is done by Fortier and Somppi, his linemates. If I was picking 5th or 6th overall, I'd probably select him then. Just not over guys like Svechnikov, Tkachuk, even Wahlstrom, Hughes, Boqvist. We have a lot of guys that are similar to Zadina, it would be nice to get a different kind of player, a mean PWF like Tkachuk or a dynamic player like Svechnikov.

 

Andrei Svechnikov really entices me. I want him almost more than I want Dahlin. He's got a lot of Malkin in him, very big, strong skater who's flat out electric. He has almost as many goals as he has games played with 37 goals in 42gp and 66pts overall thus far.

 

Svechnikov only has 9 secondary assists, 57 of his 66 pts are primary. This guy is the play driving force we need alongside Pettersson.

 

______/Pettersson/Svechnikov

______Horvat/Boeser 

 

Maybe go after a guy like E.Kane and throw him in alongside Horvat and Boeser?

 

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

3 hours ago, Camel Toe Drag said:

Aw man you made me believe you understood the whole BPA thing, then you go and spread a tabloid rumour like this.

 

Benning took his BPA. There was no high school drama like your insisting. 

I mean if the scouting staff had Juolevi and Tkachuk essentially equal attitude could have been a swaying factor no?  Not saying it happened but it’s not like it’s impossible. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

What's every ones top 5 looking like? I'd like to see.

 

1. Rasmus Dahlin- (Lord please let us have this guy PLEASE)

2. Filip Zadina

3. Brady Tkachuk

4. Andrei Svechnikov

5. Quinn Hughes/Adam Boqvist

 

Was really impressed with Zadina during the World Juniors and I think he would be a good fit with us. Big body with already an NHL release.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 minutes ago, CANUCK-EXPRESS said:

What's every ones top 5 looking like? I'd like to see.

 

1. Rasmus Dahlin- (Lord please let us have this guy PLEASE)

2. Filip Zadina

3. Brady Tkachuk

4. Andrei Svechnikov

5. Quinn Hughes/Adam Boqvist

 

Was really impressed with Zadina during the World Juniors and I think he would be a good fit with us. Big body with already an NHL release.

1 Dahlin

2 Svechnikov

3 Zadina

4 Bouchard

5 Boqvist/Hughes

Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 minute ago, CANUCK-EXPRESS said:

What's every ones top 5 looking like? I'd like to see.

 

1. Rasmus Dahlin- (Lord please let us have this guy PLEASE)

2. Filip Zadina

3. Brady Tkachuk

4. Andrei Svechnikov

5. Quinn Hughes/Adam Boqvist

 

Was really impressed with Zadina during the World Juniors and I think he would be a good fit with us. Big body with already an NHL release.

I'll take the Russian over Zadina, thank you.

Simply because the Russian is a threat to both pass and score (plus IMHO a better athlete). Zadina is just a trigger man

 

1- Dahlin

2 - Svechnikov

3 - Tkachuk

4 - Zadina

5 Boqvist/Bouchard 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

4 hours ago, mikeyman109 said:

I mean its subjective here in these discussions. So yes it is. In the Canuck room which, by the way is the only room that matters, they will have their own list

But that's what i'm saying, the canucks list is what matters and when they put there lists together, it's not going to be based on team needs, so if we are having the discussion here, it also shouldn't be based on team needs. A player having a right handed shot or having size isn't an important factor when we talk about BPA.

 

4 hours ago, mikeyman109 said:

If the team feels that there are 4 players after Dahlin that are of reasonably close talent level then why wouldn't you take a need player regardless of who Central scouting thinks is 2,3 or 4?

Because it's the scouts jobs to differentiate the players and if there's a reason they put a player at 2 and another at 4, you need to consider why.

 

4 hours ago, mikeyman109 said:

When our team puts their list together they had better be aware of a players size, position and current team needs. You don't take a forward over a D man just because someone else told you hes better. You better have scouted them and determined who is better yourselves.

There are obviously aware but I don't want any of those variables entering into the discussion.  A player isn't better just because he's 6'3, a player isn't better just because a team already has a PWF.  Best player available is simple the best player.  

 

4 hours ago, mikeyman109 said:

And again I care about building the best team to be competitive for a Stanley Cup. In most organizations they agree you do that from the Goal out. Defense take longer to develop and we need upgrades at top 4 D so that means we will take a while to be competitive.In 4 years from now we will start to be a playoff team, i want that team to be challenging for a cup. not just a playoff bubble team. We need better D than we currently have in the system. That starts this year and we need it more than F

I'm not saying don't draft defence.  We have 7 rounds of drafting, for all i care we can take a D with our remaining 6 picks,  I'm saying with your first pick you don't chose team need over talent, we need to take full advantage of our poor standings and not just pass this opportunity up to add an high level talent. There is always lots of talent in the later rounds to find good players,  Some of them that could develop into better NHL D. For example if canucks left the draft with;  

 

2nd overall Svech, 66 points in 41gp (37 goals) OHL

33rd overall Alexeyev 6'3 RHD, 37 points in 45 gp WHL

66th overall Demin, 6'1 LHD, 45 points in 57gp BCHL

128th overall Syomin, 6'3 LHD, 6 points in 8gp MHL (Looked good at the WJC)

 

Add in the possibility of trading Tanev picking up another 1st round pick and taking Wilde.

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

18 minutes ago, CANUCK-EXPRESS said:

What's every ones top 5 looking like? I'd like to see.

 

1. Rasmus Dahlin- (Lord please let us have this guy PLEASE)

2. Filip Zadina

3. Brady Tkachuk

4. Andrei Svechnikov

5. Quinn Hughes/Adam Boqvist

 

Was really impressed with Zadina during the World Juniors and I think he would be a good fit with us. Big body with already an NHL release.

My top 5 is as follows...

 

1) Dahlin

2) Svetch

3) Zadina

4) Bouchard

5) Wahlstrom

Link to comment
Share on other sites

36 minutes ago, CANUCK-EXPRESS said:

What's every ones top 5 looking like? I'd like to see.

 

1. Rasmus Dahlin- (Lord please let us have this guy PLEASE)

2. Filip Zadina

3. Brady Tkachuk

4. Andrei Svechnikov

5. Quinn Hughes/Adam Boqvist

 

Was really impressed with Zadina during the World Juniors and I think he would be a good fit with us. Big body with already an NHL release.

1: Dahlin

2: Svechnikov

3: Zadina

4: Tkachuk

5: Boqvist

 

Zadina and Svech are incredibly close though.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.
×
×
  • Create New...