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1) Dahlin :goat:

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2) Svechnikov

3) Zadina

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4) Boqvist

5) Hughes 

6) Bouchard

7) Smith

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8) Kotkaniemi

9) Lundestrom

10) Tkachuk

11) Wahlstrom

12) Dobson

13) Wilde

14) Velano

15) Farabee

 

 

Boqvist is the biggest wild card in our range. I don't think anyone here has actually see him play (including myself) so we can't get an accurate/personal read on him, we can only go by what others are saying. I really like, Hughes and think he has the potential to be a very good driver of play at even strength and run a powerplay, but Boqvist has a couple of smaller details that probably give him the edge. First of all, he's a right handed shot, so even if both players hit their maximum potential, Boqvist will be more valuable. Second, he's almost exactly 10 months younger than Hughes, so there's a higher chance that he'll grow more as they're pretty much even in size currently. Third, his shot is better than Hughes, which gives Boqvist more options than Hughes. Finally, he's played against the tougher competition right now by playing part of the year in the SHL. Those details edge him out over Hughes for me at this point.

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10 hours ago, ForsbergTheGreat said:

 

....If they turn out.... and that’s what good scouts can differentiate. It’s hard for us with no scouting back ground to look at he players and see a huge gap in value. 

There’s a reason why most canucks fans wanted us taking Roy 23rd overall in 2015. That same line of thinking “all else equal take a D”. Expect JB didn’t. He took his BPA (which if I remember correctly Canucks had Brock at 13th on there list that got leaked). He took Brock despite us just drafting another goal scoring RW 6th overall the previous year.  Based on team needs and projected hole Brock wasn’t the right pick. But 2 years later I’m sure everyone is glad we took BPA. 

 

I'm not doubting you but do you have a source for this?  I never heard his list got leaked.

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7 hours ago, mikeyman109 said:

Huge complaints there... Tkachuck will not stay in Vancouver his dad hates the city and its fan base.

Hughes is a midget and we need bigger players.

Wahlstrom i dont know enough about him but he is a forward and we can get those any year

 The d crop this year is special

I'm not too concerned about what a players DAD thinks.  There have been players who themselves hate a team (one of the kids Boston drafted) but change their minds pretty quick.  For all we know Brady could hate his dad and stay here to spite him.

Also, do you think JB etc ask in the prospect interviews if the kid wants to be drafted by the team or if he'd stay there if they did draft him?  I have to think they ask and if he says no they don't waste their time drafting him.

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6 hours ago, kloubek said:

You'd draft Bouchard at 2?  I'm high on him, but not that high.

Svechnikov has been largely a consensus at #2, but the thing that would keep me from taking him is the drama and leaving for the KHL that is always a risk. Zadina is ranked at #2 for some, and I think I'd be more apt to draft him... especially since he's played in North America already and knows what to expect. 

 

But overall, if we had #2 I'd think I'd go with Boqvist. I'd do this because:

1) We badly need a highly dynamic defenseman.  (Or two.  Or three.) ...and I feel he is the most dynamic defenseman available.

2) He's Swedish.  

3) He's a right shot; both what we need more than left, and gives him more value if we ever had to trade him

4) Unlike other players that are ranked where they are because they've risen LATELY, I think he has always been near the top so in the minds of most scouting agencies, they believe he's been that good for a while now,

Why would he leave for the KHL?  He's already playing in the OHL.

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2 hours ago, CANUCK-EXPRESS said:

What's every ones top 5 looking like? I'd like to see.

 

1. Rasmus Dahlin- (Lord please let us have this guy PLEASE)

2. Filip Zadina

3. Brady Tkachuk

4. Andrei Svechnikov

5. Quinn Hughes/Adam Boqvist

 

Was really impressed with Zadina during the World Juniors and I think he would be a good fit with us. Big body with already an NHL release.

Sorry but in no world will tkachuk go before svechnikov or Zadina 

 

Confidence lvl 100% quote me on it if need be 

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24 minutes ago, dura_mater said:

Why would he leave for the KHL?  He's already playing in the OHL.

Yes, but he originally came from Russia.  Its always an option for them.

 

So what if he played in the OHL?  Many players have played and were desired in the NHL and still bolted when they didn't get everything they wanted.  Still a risk.  No such league for NA players and only the Russians have a history of leaving their team high and dry for some reason.

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A lot  people won’t agree with my personal top 5 

 

Dahlin

Bouchard

svechnikov

boqvist

zadina

 

I got a man crush on Bouchard, and I’m sure I’m the only person in the world having him in the top 2 pick, but I honestly got a gut feeling this kid can be a superstar dman with some work on his skating 

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6 minutes ago, LegionOfDoom said:

A lot  people won’t agree with my personal top 5 

 

Dahlin

Bouchard

svechnikov

boqvist

zadina

 

I got a man crush on Bouchard, and I’m sure I’m the only person in the world having him in the top 2 pick, but I honestly got a gut feeling this kid can be a superstar dman with some work on his skating 

Svech and Zadina have to be 2/3. They are unreal talents. 

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3 hours ago, CANUCK-EXPRESS said:

What's every ones top 5 looking like? I'd like to see.

 

1. Rasmus Dahlin- (Lord please let us have this guy PLEASE)

2. Filip Zadina

3. Brady Tkachuk

4. Andrei Svechnikov

5. Quinn Hughes/Adam Boqvist

 

Was really impressed with Zadina during the World Juniors and I think he would be a good fit with us. Big body with already an NHL release.

BT is finally being exposed. so many articles and scouts are all saying the same thing. He has underwhelmed at the collegiate level and does not carry the play at all. He hasn't been A ppg player since he played for the AAA blues when he was 15, Take away his last name and I bet he would never have gotten so much attention to start with.

 

#2 Svechnikov

#3  Zadina

#4  Bovquist

#5  Wilde

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1 hour ago, kloubek said:

Yes, but he originally came from Russia.  Its always an option for them.

 

So what if he played in the OHL?  Many players have played and were desired in the NHL and still bolted when they didn't get everything they wanted.  Still a risk.  No such league for NA players and only the Russians have a history of leaving their team high and dry for some reason.

From what I have been able to dig up. Almost every Russian player that bolted only bolted because he wasn't good enough to be A star in this league. Tram felt he deserved top 4 minutes, yet refused to even go to Utica for A simple conditioning stint. Truth is he wasn't a top 4 guy and didn't deserve to get paid like one or get A free pass. Besides Kovalchuk Most of the Russians who are good stay here, because if they're good they play and they get paid. This kid is so far from the guy who bolts he might as well be Canadian. Like someone else said. If this guy ends up bolting one day it's prolly cuz he turned into A bust. Ps Kesler left us high and dry FWIW

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1. Dahlin

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2. Svechnikov

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3. Zadina

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4. Boqvist

Bouchard

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6. Tkachuk

Hughes

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8. Wahlstrom

Dobson

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10. Smith

 

 

Dahlin in a class of his own. Svechnikov slightly better than Zadina. Clear top three, with right-handed defensemen Boqvist and Bouchard making the next tier. Boqvist has that elite dynamic offensive defenseman skillset and plays against top-tier competition. Bouchard has the potential to be a top pairing 25 minute/game defenseman who can play in all situations and drive offence from the back end. Tkachuk and Hughes make up the next tier, followed closely behind by Wahlstrom and Dobson. Following them is Smith, who rounds out my top 10. 

 

Outside the obvious top-three, depending on where we land I would pick the best available defenseman in order of Boqvist/Bouchard > Hughes. If all are gone then we would have a Tkachuk vs Tkachuk battle whenever we face Calgary.

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3 hours ago, ForsbergTheGreat said:

But that's what i'm saying, the canucks list is what matters and when they put there lists together, it's not going to be based on team needs, so if we are having the discussion here, it also shouldn't be based on team needs. A player having a right handed shot or having size isn't an important factor when we talk about BPA.

 

Because it's the scouts jobs to differentiate the players and if there's a reason they put a player at 2 and another at 4, you need to consider why.

 

There are obviously aware but I don't want any of those variables entering into the discussion.  A player isn't better just because he's 6'3, a player isn't better just because a team already has a PWF.  Best player available is simple the best player.  

 

I'm not saying don't draft defence.  We have 7 rounds of drafting, for all i care we can take a D with our remaining 6 picks,  I'm saying with your first pick you don't chose team need over talent, we need to take full advantage of our poor standings and not just pass this opportunity up to add an high level talent. There is always lots of talent in the later rounds to find good players,  Some of them that could develop into better NHL D. For example if canucks left the draft with;  

 

2nd overall Svech, 66 points in 41gp (37 goals) OHL

33rd overall Alexeyev 6'3 RHD, 37 points in 45 gp WHL

66th overall Demin, 6'1 LHD, 45 points in 57gp BCHL

128th overall Syomin, 6'3 LHD, 6 points in 8gp MHL (Looked good at the WJC)

 

Add in the possibility of trading Tanev picking up another 1st round pick and taking Wilde.

 

I think these are good picks, however I'm not sure drafting 4 russians with our first 4 picks is part of the game plan!

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1 hour ago, dura_mater said:

I'm not too concerned about what a players DAD thinks.  There have been players who themselves hate a team (one of the kids Boston drafted) but change their minds pretty quick.  For all we know Brady could hate his dad and stay here to spite him.

Also, do you think JB etc ask in the prospect interviews if the kid wants to be drafted by the team or if he'd stay there if they did draft him?  I have to think they ask and if he says no they don't waste their time drafting him.

I agree 100. Its why teams interview all these players and go thru backround checks, character issues, etc before the draft. 

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10 hours ago, 48MPHSlapShot said:

As opposed to the guy that has actually played with OJ and has 84 points in 64 games?

 

Just for some context, Horvat had 61 points in 64 games in his draft year playing on London, and 74 points in 54 games in his draft + 1 years.

 

I don't care how you slice it, Bouchard's production is elite. He's finding ways to get it done, and without being a defensive liability like Boqvist.

 

Bouchard over Boqvist all day, any day.

Im Bouchard all the way if we lose the lotto. I’d be happy with Svech or Zadina as well. 

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58 minutes ago, KKnight said:

Svech and Zadina have to be 2/3. They are unreal talents. 

Bouchard putting up unbelievable numbers from the back end potential to hit 90 doubling last years season on a weaker team, Dahlin is a clear cut with potential to be a generational dman but I see Bouchard being the best damn taken since ekblad out of the Chl. 

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I used to buy the hype that Brady Tkachuck was exactly like Matthew, just "bigger, faster, and nastier." Now, I don't think he has as good offensive positioning or instincts. Conversely, Brady is an outstanding penalty killer, and is toning down the dumb penalties. 

I wanted Matthew Tkachuk cause I thought he'd be amazing with Horvat. That logic holds true with Brady, but he could also be a big hulking center. 

Some have suggested that Tkachuk would be redundant since we already have Virtanen (and Gadjovich), but that might be overthinking it. Tkachuk is the master of the dump and chase, and Virtanen's speed is deadly on the forecheck. Having the two on the same line would be incredibly hard to contain. We need to build around our young players, and Tkachuk could have amazing chemistry with Horvat, Boeser, Virtanen, and Pettersson. 

To summarize, Brady Tkachuk's offensive potential might be questionable, but his overall game makes him a top 5 talent. 

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1 hour ago, bp79 said:

BT is finally being exposed. so many articles and scouts are all saying the same thing. He has underwhelmed at the collegiate level and does not carry the play at all. He hasn't been A ppg player since he played for the AAA blues when he was 15, Take away his last name and I bet he would never have gotten so much attention to start with.

Can you post some examples?

Everything I've seen says that while he had a slow start offensively in college, he forgot all that by the time the World Juniors rolled 'round. 

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