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9 minutes ago, aGENT said:

As I've been trying to stress, he's almost a year older.

 

Boqvist will likely be 6'+ and 190-210lbs in his prime. He's an elite skater in both speed and maneuverability, an elite shooter and has has very high IQ (which is why I'm not particularly worried about his defensive game being a weaker point, along with his age, again).  He's too smart to not improve defensively as he matures and gets bigger. He's already playing and succeeding in men's leagues AT 17

 

He's Dahlin-light.

 

Yes please.

some bold predictions there... we'll see, but I think 210 is a little optimistic.

 

Craig Button called him an "Erik Karlsson clone" so not sure you get much higher praise than that. He seems to be around 5 on most other lists so we may get a shot at him. 

 

One bonus if he does fall to us is he could conceivable be on the roster here after one more year in the SHL, vs. having to leave him in juniors or college for 2-3 years. 

 

A Zadina-Bo-Boeser line could be a little insane though, but I suspect we'll have a better chance at Boqvist, since we are destined to be a team of 5th overall picks :lol: 

 

 

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34 minutes ago, aGENT said:

There's bigger and smaller players on every team. And we will also have bigger players as well. As FTG pointed out, you're being ridiculous in hyper-focusing on one aspect and frankly ignoring how the game is played today. Nashville has some relatively small, skilled D and is arguably the best team in the West. I'd be THRILLED if we can build anything resembling that D core/team. Nashvilles d is ok but Tampa Bays is better.

 

Part of the reason EDM is struggling this year is because of them prioritizing size over speed and skill. As for CAL, I guess you mean their huge D like 182lb Brodie? Or maybe you're worried about their huge forwards crushing our D, like 157lb Gudreau or 176lb Versteeg? Even those monsters Monahan, Backlund, and Frolik are all sub 200lbs. Tkachuck, Ferland, Bennett etc are all just barely over. Gaudreau is small but we have may other players that push our D around. Just saying.

 

Boqvist will probably be around 6' and +/- 200lbs when he's in his prime and have far less 'issues' compared to Stecher. He'll also have far more puck posession for the team making  it even less of an issue. 

 

this i dont agree with. there is no reason to believe this kid will reach that weight or height and be the comparable player he is today at that size.

 

 

 

I agree there are bigger and smaler players on every team. its not the smaller ones I am worried about. The forwards I mentioned in the previous post are just an example of what we have in our division. Saying that Thornoton wont be around in four years is a ridiculous argument because another big player will be there or on another team. Many here want Tkachuck in the draft but what about when he is on another team? how will we move his type of player out of the crease? or Ferland or Connor? Or Anze?

Look you can disagree with me on the forward from the back end having limited value. I dont believe Boqvist is that great of a value, I see JJ daigneault all over him. I see the Petr Nedved of defensemen. I am seeing Bouchard be bigger, play bigger, defend his zone better, play the game at both ends, Captain his team, play the game on the smaller ice surface, score at a pace that is better i believe unless i need to be corrected and i am sure someone will, than Boqvist, having played in more games to assess his skill level, having played in OHL playoffs, having played alongside another player in our system we value in Luolevi. I see more value in Bouchard, you can disagree on whether to take which kid but i think these points make a better case for Evan than Adam.

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Just now, ilduce39 said:

I’m sure I’ll love whoever JB goes with but right now I’m on the Boqvist train as well.  When was the last time we had a guy with those offensive chops on the back end?

 

Those brief, beautiful years with Ehrhoff?  

 

Imagine what Bo, Brock, Pettersson and co. will do with a real offensive dynamo behind them.  

 

I’d still love to see JB try to flip Tanev for a mid 1st to snag another D, particularly a bigger dude, like Wilde or a prospect like Foote but I think it’s a pipe dream.  Would be more than happy with just Boqvist.

Yes, yes and yes.

 

Couldn't agree more with flipping Tanev either now that we have Guddy locked up for a few (assuming someone is willing to pay up). Sure it would hurt in the short term but long term its' the right thing to do. Have to think TOR, NYI, maybe CHI or EDM would have pretty serious interest. Maybe TBL still too. And NYI have 2 1sts (and likely a desire to retain Tavares by acquiring solid playoff capable pieces).

 

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, mikeyman109 said:

I get your points and again I am also only stating my opinion but what I am looking at is watching a guy like Stecher , who is that skating offensive type defenseman try to defend against mark Staal in the Minny game. He just cant handle him and Staal is just one of a number of this type of forward we face in this division. Its not that I am not impressed by Boqvists skating ability and his offensive flair. I am just looking for the total package. We do need to draft a new core especially 1 and 2 D we have lots of bottom 6 options if any of these players we have today remain in 4 years. I am just looking for us to upgrade the D and this draft has a lot of options in the first round to get a Doughty type player. We have never had a Norris Defenseman. We need to start with one this year, Hopefully Dahlin. But if not i think the best D in the draft outside of him is Bouchard. Again just my opinion.

...and I respect your opinion. I'm just surprised that you'd draft him 2nd, that's all.  For all any of us know, he WILL become a Norris winner.

 

My "ideal" scenario would be that on 5 on 5, we pair a defensive guy with an offensive guy.  The offensive guy would make things happen from the back end and perhaps pinch, and the defensive guy would stay back and cover him.  It's generally worked well with Tanev, who is a great example of a perfect 2nd guy to a pairing.  Now, we clearly won't have 3 Tanevs, but having a Gudbranson and hopefully a Tryamkin is a good start from the defensive perspective, but what we don't have is the offensive guys.  So that's just why I largely focus on that style of player above all else right now.

 

But while we're talking ideals, I'd rather not draft a defenseman to be part of our core anyway unless he looked almost NHL ready.  When we get a huge influx of forwards after next season I'd rather our defense not still be in shambles offensively - so I'm almost more inclined to think we can try to get an almost ready prospect with the extra forward talent we are going to have to at least start.  If we had to wait another couple of years for our true #1d, so be it.

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6 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

some bold predictions there... we'll see, but I think 210 is a little optimistic.

 

Craig Button called him an "Erik Karlsson clone" so not sure you get much higher praise than that. He seems to be around 5 on most other lists so we may get a shot at him. 

 

One bonus if he does fall to us is he could conceivable be on the roster here after one more year in the SHL, vs. having to leave him in juniors or college for 2-3 years. 

 

A Zadina-Bo-Boeser line could be a little insane though, but I suspect we'll have a better chance at Boqvist, since we are destined to be a team of 5th overall picks :lol: 

 

 

210 is certainly on the upper end of what's likely possible but again, he's ONLY 17 YEARS OLD.

 

I can see him getting to around Dan Hamhuis size (6"1/205lbs) in his prime give or take a few pounds. 'Should' be 195+ anyway which is certainly not hulking but is hardly small.

 

Yup, one more year in SHL, maybe a partial/full year in the A and then here ideally.

 

Even better, we win the damn lotto finally and just draft Dahlin :lol:

 

 

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46 minutes ago, Canuckster86 said:

Seems like Bouchard is the safer pick vs Boqvist.

 

I think if Bouchards main weakness is skating, that is not a big concern. He can improve that with hard work. I am not worried about Boqvist size, he will put on weight for sure, he may or may not grow to the ever so important 6ft mark. He is an offensive dynamo but will need more work to round out his game to be able to step in to play in the nhl.

 

Until we know the results of the draft lottery I wont concern myself to much about who we will pick. Once our draft spot is decided and we see who falls or rises in the selection process then I can get more engaged.

 

Regardless Canucks should be gettting a cant miss top 6 F or top 4 D with our draft selection. The big question is do we finally pick a player who steps in to the NHL right away? that is what I am more intrigued by...having a pre 20 impact player just right in and improve our roster!

Bouchard has the ability to pass the puck seamlessly up to forwards and looks pretty good getting the puck up ice.  His best weapon is his pass, Bomquist’s best weapon is his skating.  Both have excellent shots that get thru. 

 

I will be watching the combine closely as I don’t see Bouchard being beat often so his skating is currently effective. 

 

He plays long long shifts as is common in the CHL. Players don’t go all out but tend to economize with their movement. 

 

I don’t see the knock on Bouchard and this is the first time that I can recall a player having as successful season as he did not getting more consideration. 

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I think its Dahlin or outside of the #1 pick I could see JB taking Boqvist anywhere from 2-5. It is drafting yet another swede, I am not against swedes but the ones we have had are soft, lack playing with any sort of grit or pushback. Not asking a Swede to be a bruiser but to play with some fire in their belly, not take any crap if someone does something to you would be nice.

 

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Karlsson is listed at 6ft 192lb...so 5'11 and 170lb at age 17 shouldn't be a concern imo he will for sure be able to put on 10-20lbs over a few years.

 

If Boqvist was 150lb I would be bit more concerned, we have a tall lanky EP who can be elusive but as a D you are much more prone to getting hit when going back to retrieve pucks so being slight would be concerning to me anyways.

 

I think Boqvist ends up playing 5-10lbs heavier than EP during their NHL careers

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30 minutes ago, aGENT said:

Yes, yes and yes.

 

Couldn't agree more with flipping Tanev either now that we have Guddy locked up for a few (assuming someone is willing to pay up). Sure it would hurt in the short term but long term its' the right thing to do. Have to think TOR, NYI, maybe CHI or EDM would have pretty serious interest. Maybe TBL still too. And NYI have 2 1sts (and likely a desire to retain Tavares by acquiring solid playoff capable pieces).

 

 

 

 

 

This i totally agree with regardless of who the D pick is

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11 minutes ago, Canuckster86 said:

Karlsson is listed at 6ft 192lb...so 5'11 and 170lb at age 17 shouldn't be a concern imo he will for sure be able to put on 10-20lbs over a few years.

 

If Boqvist was 150lb I would be bit more concerned, we have a tall lanky EP who can be elusive but as a D you are much more prone to getting hit when going back to retrieve pucks so being slight would be concerning to me anyways.

 

I think Boqvist ends up playing 5-10lbs heavier than EP during their NHL careers

This is a major concern

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17 minutes ago, aGENT said:

210 is certainly on the upper end of what's likely possible but again, he's ONLY 17 YEARS OLD.

 

I can see him getting to around Dan Hamhuis size (6"1/205lbs) in his prime give or take a few pounds. 'Should' be 195+ anyway which is certainly not hulking but is hardly small.

 

Yup, one more year in SHL, maybe a partial/full year in the A and then here ideally.

 

Even better, we win the damn lotto finally and just draft Dahlin :lol:

 

 

I've been looking up more of his history and Button's reviews of him so I'm feeling better about this pick if it happens, I also didn't realize he was so young, so that does make a difference. 

 

He needs to up his game in his own zone, but like you say that should be possible, and something he can certainly work on in the SHL, but he'd also be deployed unlike really any D we've had that I can think of... not sure if there is a "Canucks comparable". I don't know that AHL time would be necessary with his mobility but sure why not. Can't hurt. 

 

If we end up dropping to 7th our consolation prize is Bouchard or Dobson thats ok too. 

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Every year there is an Erik Karlsson comparable and it needs to stop. It's a lazy comparable and this happens every single year.... I thought Liljegren is plays like Karlsson, I thought Makar plays like Karlsson, I thought Dahlin AND Boqvist play like Karlsson.... you mean an offensive minded Dman who can skate? Yes that's what you mean. It's the same as people using generational like it's an everyday term for players. Let's expand our thinking!

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1 hour ago, Canuck Surfer said:

They are struggling because they are lacking the ability to shift the puck up ice to some of their magnificent young forwards. McDavid has to go back, get it AND haul it up ice. The puck is dying on the PP, when it goes back to the blue line as well...

 

They could use Boqvist as much as usl!

you can be 100% sure Edmonton will pick a D this draft. If we take Boqvist they take Bouchard. and Vice versa

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6 minutes ago, mikeyman109 said:

you can be 100% sure Edmonton will pick a D this draft. If we take Boqvist they take Bouchard. and Vice versa

 

1 hour ago, aGENT said:

Yes they could. Except they need him now, not in 2-3 years :lol:

 

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28 minutes ago, Eastcoast meets Westcoast said:

Unless they trade us their pick for Tanev... if he would waive to go there. 

if i was the oilers I wouldn't make that trade. I think they can pry a better defenseman for their Number 1 pick this year. Maybe from Ottawa

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