theo5789 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 2 hours ago, aGENT said: If I'm EDM, I don't think I'm giving up Drai AND my (presently) top 10 (and potentially lotto) 1st pick this draft. I doubt OTT does much better than that offer +/-. It's the price to pay to finally get that elite #1 dman to go along with your elite #1 center. Ottawa could surely find a better deal than an overpaid RNH (an above average cap dump), an average top 4 dman and a top 10 pick where only the top 3 are standout picks for Karlsson who will give you at least one great year at 6.5 million. It is up to the team bringing him in to give into his asking price to retain him. It might not be beneficial in the end to move Draisaitl, but I'm curious how they plan on fitting McDavid, Draisaitl and a potentially extended Karlsson long term. The enticement of playing with these guys will only go so far if they aren't paid decently also and Edmonton's drafting/development isn't particularly special. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theo5789 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 2 hours ago, mikeyman109 said: They might get both Connor and Draistil to adjust if it meant adding EK, I hope it doesn't happen because that's the type of deal that will win a cup but it would be a good move for them Adjust what exactly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 On 3/11/2018 at 8:38 PM, R.Dahlin26 said: Just not a fan. See him as a good middle pairing d-man. Nothing dynamic about him, don't see the reward in him or him moving the needle for us. He's probably going to be taken in the top 10 and is my bet to be the disappointment/bust of the prospects that are going to be taken in that range. You'd rather take Wilde over Bouchard? K Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phat Fingers Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 11 minutes ago, mikeyman109 said: if thats all that has been driving you crazy in this discussion you haven't been paying attention. i never took typing in school so i misspell everything here despite my degree in english I’m worse. Pure blue collar former west coast logger turned advanced care Paramedic in Nova Scotia. I want to turn everything into a paramedic acronym. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phat Fingers Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 4 minutes ago, theo5789 said: Adjust what exactly? Their Fly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phat Fingers Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 8 minutes ago, theo5789 said: It's the price to pay to finally get that elite #1 dman to go along with your elite #1 center. Ottawa could surely find a better deal than an overpaid RNH (an above average cap dump), an average top 4 dman and a top 10 pick where only the top 3 are standout picks for Karlsson who will give you at least one great year at 6.5 million. It is up to the team bringing him in to give into his asking price to retain him. It might not be beneficial in the end to move Draisaitl, but I'm curious how they plan on fitting McDavid, Draisaitl and a potentially extended Karlsson long term. The enticement of playing with these guys will only go so far if they aren't paid decently also and Edmonton's drafting/development isn't particularly special. Drai and their first. That would do it. It would solve the cap woes. It would be expensive for Ottawa. Don’t know if Ott wants that much salary back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 On 3/12/2018 at 12:03 PM, aGENT said: Just like the last couple years, you take the best player. It's not a race to get to the NHL. If we're at pick #4 and Boqvist is there, you take him make that mistake. Sorry man. Him and Hughes just scare me...I don't necessarily see enough of a difference between Hughes/Boqvist and Boucahrd for skill. Hughes and Boqvist might be better skaters but Bouchard is an absolute stud and if you're taking the best D not named Dahlin and the three are almost interchangeable. He wins out every time with that NHL ready frame and captaincy. I trust the Hunter in London without question Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
messier's_elbow Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 2 hours ago, aGENT said: It's like last year's draft all over again Don’t worry I won’t go full Vilardi and freak out if we don’t take Bouchard at the draft. I’ll accept whoever they take, but Bouchard at #4 seems like a no brainer to me at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
messier's_elbow Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, Warhippy said: Sorry man. Him and Hughes just scare me...I don't necessarily see enough of a difference between Hughes/Boqvist and Boucahrd for skill. Hughes and Boqvist might be better skaters but Bouchard is an absolute stud and if you're taking the best D not named Dahlin and the three are almost interchangeable. He wins out every time with that NHL ready frame and captaincy. I trust the Hunter in London without question Sounds like we are on the same page with Bouchard, but I’d definitely take Hughes over Boqvist at this point. I’m wondering if the champions for Boqvist have even seen him play a full game... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R.Dahlin26 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 15 minutes ago, Warhippy said: You'd rather take Wilde over Bouchard? K Rather have Boqvist/Hughes/Wilde/Dobson/Smith all over Bouchard. Bouchard gives me Juolevi vibes where he lacks intensity and urgency in his own zone. Not sold on his skating either, can see it holding him back. Don't want to make that mistake again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 On 3/12/2018 at 9:57 PM, King Heffy said: The last guy we took in the 1st round from US college seems to be working out pretty well. I definitely trust our scouting in that area, and Benning's ability to take the right guy. Won't complain regardless of who we take. The guy we took in the 1st round from a US college before him though.... yikes Also had good tournaments, decent numbers in his league and size issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 On 3/13/2018 at 10:43 AM, aGENT said: He's one month away from being in the 2019 draft. He's going to get bigger. And we already have plenty of 'responsible'/2way D in the pipeline for him to play with. What we don't have in the pipeline is a game a breaking, offensive D. The kid has elite skating/shooting/IQ and again, is one of the youngest kids in the draft and still has decent size considering that fact, He's going to get bigger. He's the better prospect and if he's available and we're picking anywhere at 4 or later... in a heart beat. heard that before somewhere... http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=116647 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 56 minutes ago, ForsbergTheGreat said: I just think Karlsson is going to be expensive to acquire and he’s already stated he going to be looking for top dollar. Which is 12 million +. I can’t see the oilers taking on another big cap hit like that. Where are green allows them to keep there top 7 draft pick. They can draft a Boqvist, Bouchard type and sign green in the short term till those players develop. That would save them from going into further cap hell I think that NYI is an outlier for the Ek sweepstakes myself. 2 firsts 2 seconds this year plus a pick next year a decent defensive prospect and a burning need to somehow someway keep Tavares from bolting. Snow's done some questionable things in the past and if there's a way to make it work cap wise I could see that happening. Dorion gets two picks this year in the top 15 if Calgary keeps falling out of it and a pick in the top 20 from NYI as well as a ?? next year and two 2nds. Add in a pulock or someone with an assurance that it is a Karlsson with a decent contract and.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 13 minutes ago, R.Dahlin26 said: Rather have Boqvist/Hughes/Wilde/Dobson/Smith all over Bouchard. Bouchard gives me Juolevi vibes where he lacks intensity and urgency in his own zone. Not sold on his skating either, can see it holding him back. Don't want to make that mistake again. So instead take the guy in Wilde that is using his big frame to push around the USNDL over the guy who after they sold their entire offense erupted for a 30+ point lead in scoring in his team. So instead take the guy who instead of challenging forwards or anyone entering the blue line waits for his "moment" and is someone you HOPE grows a bit over the guy who is according to Dale Hunter "one of the best defensive prospects I've ever seen" So instead take the guy who is playing in a college league and again has size issues and a lack of intensity in regards to physical play and can score off the rush over the guy that was handed the captaincy of the vaunted Knights team and has a memorial cup win and is leading the defensive scoring race in the OHL I am sure that 5 teams directly behind us will totally agree with you and avoid taking him over any of the others. I know I didn't have this same conversation about Makar last year at all. I mean no chance Edmonton passes him up (actually I'd lol if they did and took Hughes or Boqvist) IMO he has as much upside as Boqvist and Hughes without question but less bust factor based on his size and skill alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R.Dahlin26 Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 7 minutes ago, Warhippy said: So instead take the guy in Wilde that is using his big frame to push around the USNDL over the guy who after they sold their entire offense erupted for a 30+ point lead in scoring in his team. So instead take the guy who instead of challenging forwards or anyone entering the blue line waits for his "moment" and is someone you HOPE grows a bit over the guy who is according to Dale Hunter "one of the best defensive prospects I've ever seen" So instead take the guy who is playing in a college league and again has size issues and a lack of intensity in regards to physical play and can score off the rush over the guy that was handed the captaincy of the vaunted Knights team and has a memorial cup win and is leading the defensive scoring race in the OHL I am sure that 5 teams directly behind us will totally agree with you and avoid taking him over any of the others. I know I didn't have this same conversation about Makar last year at all. I mean no chance Edmonton passes him up (actually I'd lol if they did and took Hughes or Boqvist) IMO he has as much upside as Boqvist and Hughes without question but less bust factor based on his size and skill alone. TBH all these defencemen have question marks about certain parts of their games. That's why it's so risky taking d-men this high in the draft unless they are franchise level. For me, if we miss out on the top 3 and go for a d-man I want the one with the highest ceiling possible. The one with the most elite skillset. That for me is Boqvist. Same reason why I wanted Pettersson over Glass/Vilardi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 30 minutes ago, Warhippy said: heard that before somewhere... http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=116647 His 19 year old (2 years older) brother is 6' and 181lbs. J.S. dreams of being that size now, let alone at 19. http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=212690 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 3 hours ago, aGENT said: Imagine EK feeding McDavid all game long @Canuck Surfer...yikes It would be exciting! But short sighted. I agree with Forsberg below that there is a lot of risk? And cost! Chicago managed several cups paying huge dollars to Toews & Kane. But had cheater cap hits on Keith & Hossa. I don't believe they will have that luxury with Karlsson? And it will probably cost them Puljujarvi & a first, and a he could walk... I think Edmonton would be better to make more conservative plays considering the wealth of assets they have. Rather than get desperate after an embarrassing season. Edmonton has the backbone of contention with McJesus & Draisaitl. But also, Nurse, Klefbom & Larsson on D & possibly have a good enough goalie. They need two things; > A PMD to feed their forwards, their transition game, command their PP? > Armies of depth following up their high end talent. I do believe they are starting to make headway on their crappy track record of drafting contributing to depth. Ethan Bear may not be Boqvist, but could be the first of depth D to start surfacing as reliable NHL talent. Seth Jones's brother, Samurokov & Filip Berglund look promising at D as well? Yamamoto & Pool party are also in the mix as exciting talent and waves of skaters up front? Albeit they paid more for them. Khaira, Slepyshev and Cagiula play into depth. They just have to keep it up now? Edmonton looks like they coming out of their doldrums. I believe Green, or busting a tweener play of signing John Carlson would be a smarter play than either to run their PP than Karlsson? Or with such exciting forward talent, they could probably go the discount route Pitt won with last year. Start acquiring every money ball / money puck PMD on the market! Until, considering the lag time you mentioned, Boqvist or Hughes or Dobson surfaces... 58 minutes ago, ForsbergTheGreat said: I just think Karlsson is going to be expensive to acquire and he’s already stated he going to be looking for top dollar. Which is 12 million +. I can’t see the oilers taking on another big cap hit like that. Where are green allows them to keep there top 7 draft pick. They can draft a Boqvist, Bouchard type and sign green in the short term till those players develop. That would save them from going into further cap hell As above, I agree here. Draft & do it the right way! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaudette Celly Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 3 hours ago, aGENT said: Imagine EK feeding McDavid all game long @Canuck Surfer...yikes 3 hours ago, mikeyman109 said: If Ottawa has really decided to give up on EK this would be a successful spot for him. The oilers would be scarier for sure Terrible deal for Edmonton. Their secondary scoring is already a big problem, now they'd give up RNH as well as their draft pick? Hockey isn't like basketball where you can have a Jordan-Pippen duo and rule the court. They can't play 40+ minutes per game either. At this point Edmonton needs QUANTITY and depth, as they have little of quantity or quality on the horizon. Indeed, they're almost like the Canucks were a couple years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smithers joe Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 i'm still interested to see where dobson, ends up on the draft list. i love his game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 10 minutes ago, R.Dahlin26 said: TBH all these defencemen have question marks about certain parts of their games. That's why it's so risky taking d-men this high in the draft unless they are franchise level. No, they don't. Wilde has all the characteristic scouting attributes of a Noah Hanifin who hits. As does Dobson. Both are big, fast, have puck skills & are composed with the puck, can shoot. Healthy and deserved consideration as BPA in the top 10 & top 15! And guys like them (see Maddison Bowey or ) are being seen as a mistake to have left in the draft till the 2knd and 3rd round like yesteryear. Or late in the 1st round like picking Hunterr, frickin, Shinkaruk with pipsqueak shoulders & not fast enough to go wide on AHL D instead of Shea Theodore! More and more D, big and small, skilled, intelligent with the puck and some of the best athletes are growing up as D men. Instead of just dreaming of being high scoring pivots. They can be scouted & are often BPA. Get with the times or be lost in history! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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