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The two biggest things that have made D risky at the top end of the draft?

 

1) Composure and intelligence with the puck!

2) Lack of speed.

 

See Luke Schenn!

 

Avoid these issues, each which is clearly observable / scout able,  and u can find a great D at the top of the draft...

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14 minutes ago, Canuck Surfer said:

No, they don't. Wilde has all the characteristic scouting attributes of a Noah Hanifin who hits.  As does Dobson.  Both are big, fast, have puck skills & are composed with the puck, can shoot. Healthy and deserved consideration as BPA in the top 10 & top 15!   

 

And guys like them (see Maddison Bowey or ) are being seen as a mistake to have left in the draft till the 2knd and 3rd round like yesteryear. Or late in the 1st round like picking Hunterr, frickin, Shinkaruk with pipsqueak shoulders & not fast enough to go wide on AHL D instead of Shea Theodore!

 

More and more D, big and small, skilled, intelligent with the puck and some of the best athletes are growing up as D men. Instead of just dreaming of being high scoring pivots. They can be scouted & are often BPA.

 

Get with the times or be lost in history! 

I like Wilde a lot as well and also compared him to Hanifin. Dobson isn't someone I would feel comfortable taking in the top 10 but I like him as well. I think we'll be picking too high for them to be in the conversation. In the convo that you quoted, we were talking about Boqvist/Bouchard/Hughes who all have question marks, for me personally if we miss out on the top 3 and go d-man pick Boqvist who has the highest ceiling IMO and has already played and looked excellent at times against men.

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Just now, R.Dahlin26 said:

I like Wilde a lot as well and also compared him to Hanifin. Dobson isn't someone I would feel comfortable taking in the top 10 but I like him as well. I think we'll be picking too high for them to be in the conversation. In the convo that you quoted, we were talking about Boqvist/Bouchard/Hughes who all have question marks, for me personally if we miss out on the top 3 and go d-man pick Boqvist who has the highest ceiling IMO and has already played and looked excellent at times against men.

I apologise too.

 

I realize you are also a proponent of drafting a D man who has the most skill, upside.  Suggested Boqvist at the top of the D behind your namesake ahead of Bouchard I believe?

 

I just had to pick on the wording of that one statement.  

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If we draft Dahlin would we play him on the right side with Juolevi? If we did that we should trade Chris Tanev for  a LD with a big shot to play with Stetcher. Someone similar to Sergachev, Chychrun, or Hague ( if his skating is good enough) 

 

Juolevi Dahlin 

______ Stetcher 

______ ______

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1 hour ago, Warhippy said:

Sorry man.  Him and Hughes just scare me...I don't necessarily see enough of a difference between Hughes/Boqvist and Boucahrd for skill.  Hughes and Boqvist might be better skaters but Bouchard is an absolute stud and if you're taking the best D not named Dahlin and the three are almost interchangeable.  He wins out every time with that NHL ready frame and captaincy.  I trust the Hunter in London without question

You advocate Bouchard over Hughes & Boqvist?

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1 hour ago, R.Dahlin26 said:

Rather have Boqvist/Hughes/Wilde/Dobson/Smith all over Bouchard.

 

Bouchard gives me Juolevi vibes where he lacks intensity and urgency in his own zone. Not sold on his skating either, can see it holding him back.

Don't want to make that mistake again. 

 

 

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Not sure what you mean by make that mistake again but he skates at least as well as Edler

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36 minutes ago, Canuck Surfer said:

No, they don't. Wilde has all the characteristic scouting attributes of a Noah Hanifin who hits.  As does Dobson.  Both are big, fast, have puck skills & are composed with the puck, can shoot. Healthy and deserved consideration as BPA in the top 10 & top 15!   

 

And guys like them (see Maddison Bowey or ) are being seen as a mistake to have left in the draft till the 2knd and 3rd round like yesteryear. Or late in the 1st round like picking Hunterr, frickin, Shinkaruk with pipsqueak shoulders & not fast enough to go wide on AHL D instead of Shea Theodore!

 

More and more D, big and small, skilled, intelligent with the puck and some of the best athletes are growing up as D men. Instead of just dreaming of being high scoring pivots. They can be scouted & are often BPA.

 

Get with the times or be lost in history! 

Wilde is not a bad pick either but he seems like he will drop down mid range 20 25, if he dropped into second round id take him in 2nd round for sure. Big Mean nasty piece of business. Love him also. If we could get a 1st rounder for Tanev this would be my second pick after Bouchard.

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42 minutes ago, smithers joe said:

i'm still interested to see where dobson, ends up on the draft list. i love his game. 

Dobson is not a bad pick he is taller and has time to put on some weight. Can skate well and plays the man well also. Not as good as Bouchard but plays well in both ends on the rink.

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1 minute ago, mikeyman109 said:

Not sure what you mean by make that mistake again but he skates at least as well as Edler

I argued, here on CDC, in 2010/11 and the summer of 2011 after our SCF run, that we still needed an elite skating D man. When many were proclaiming Edler to be the first Canuck Norris winner to be...

 

It does not make Edler a bad D man at all? He's been a great pick for us. But it was still fair citing that he is mobile and a good skater. Yet not an elite one? It did eliminate him from being a true top level defenceman. But we picked him in the 3rd round. Bouchard is being considered in the top 10.

 

And I have argued in the last few weeks here in this thread that lack of elite skating could make Bouchard's ceiling something just above Edlers. He appears to be more composed and better with the puck than Edler did at draft age. But I believe it will also limit Bouchard in the end.

 

I believe Bouchard will be a safe pick, and an effective player. Too much good stuff going on. Just not an elite one. And maybe you have to look at players with elite speed and puck skills when you have the chance.

 

 

 

 

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20 minutes ago, kenhodgejr said:

If we draft Dahlin would we play him on the right side with Juolevi? If we did that we should trade Chris Tanev for  a LD with a big shot to play with Stetcher. Someone similar to Sergachev, Chychrun, or Hague ( if his skating is good enough) 

 

Juolevi Dahlin 

______ Stetcher 

______ ______

Tryamkin? 

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6 minutes ago, Canuck Surfer said:

I argued, here on CDC, in 2010/11 and the summer of 2011 after our SCF run, that we still needed an elite skating D man. When many were proclaiming Edler to be the first Canuck Norris winner to be...

 

It does not make Edler a bad D man at all? He's been a great pick for us. But it was still fair citing that he is mobile and a good skater. Yet not an elite one? It did eliminate him from being a true top level defenceman. But we picked him in the 3rd round. Bouchard is being considered in the top 10.

 

And I have argued in the last few weeks here in this thread that lack of elite skating could make Bouchard's ceiling something just above Edlers. He appears to be more composed and better with the puck than Edler did at draft age. But I believe it will also limit Bouchard in the end.

 

I believe Bouchard will be a safe pick, and an effective player. Too much good stuff going on. Just not an elite one. And maybe you have to look at players with elite speed and puck skills when you have the chance.

 

 

 

 

I would disagree, he skates fine is he as fast as Jake no but not needed to be, He is the Captain of his team, scores from the back end has a lot larger sample of games to look at is bigger better at defending his own end and will get bigger. he scores at a rate better than Boqvist and plays the man harder in his own end.. His skating will improve and the intangibles he brings as a leader will be very very valuable. I see Boqvist as Petr Nedved from the defensive side. looks great until he gets into the small ice surface with big men and gets hit in the corners. Love the skating the guy possesses but it will not be the same on the smaller ice surface where he will not have the room. I want to see our defense get bigger to absorb the playoff punishment better and be prepared to clear the crease in front of Demko. Tampa Bay has it right. Big D with skill. Im not saying big slow D that cant skate, i have watched Bouchard play and he skates very well. He passes the puck better than most D. and he does not shy away from the rough stuff. My opinion of him is better than Boqvist. Just my opinion a lot seem to share , a lot seem to disagree.

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I see a lot of Alex Pietrangelo in Bouchard. His skating if worked upon won't be an issue at all. The fact that he soured up in points after London got rid of all of their talent and that he has almost 90pts as a defenseman is just absurd for a player who hasnt even been drafted yet. 

 

I too had some doubts about Bouchard at first but he's quickly changed my mind. His numbers are absurd, I actually can't remember a defenseman putting up that many numbers in their draft year. 84pts people... 84. Don't know if his season is finished or not but if it isn't then 90pts isn't out of reach at all.

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12 hours ago, spook007 said:

So do we...just saying...

Believe me, I was on the Don't Trade Tanev Boat, but Hughes is one of the most creative players in the draft. He's a better thief than Boqvist, and transitions the puck unbelievably fast. Having Hughes on the power play feeding our snipers would be sublime. He's boom or bust, but I'm willing to take that risk if we get another pick. 

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9 minutes ago, mikeyman109 said:

I would disagree, he skates fine is he as fast as Jake no but not needed to be, He is the Captain of his team, scores from the back end has a lot larger sample of games to look at is bigger better at defending his own end and will get bigger. he scores at a rate better than Boqvist and plays the man harder in his own end.. His skating will improve and the intangibles he brings as a leader will be very very valuable. I see Boqvist as Petr Nedved from the defensive side. looks great until he gets into the small ice surface with big men and gets hit in the corners. Love the skating the guy possesses but it will not be the same on the smaller ice surface where he will not have the room. I want to see our defense get bigger to absorb the playoff punishment better and be prepared to clear the crease in front of Demko. Tampa Bay has it right. Big D with skill. Im not saying big slow D that cant skate, i have watched Bouchard play and he skates very well. He passes the puck better than most D. and he does not shy away from the rough stuff. My opinion of him is better than Boqvist. Just my opinion a lot seem to share , a lot seem to disagree.

Look, I'm in my own world as well. 

 

I have craved a D man who can juke, deke & dazzle for years! Break down opposing teams! :frantic: And I do not for a moment disrespect for a moment a guy, like Bouchard, who constantly has a knack for making the fundamentally sound right play? But Boqvist has an agility few possess, puck skills, explosive speed. Once the game, as you have noted on N American ice with the speed and size of NHL opposition surfaces? It's my estimation that those skills, regardless of having played on a larger surface to date, will allow him to be the more dynamic player than Bouchard.

 

The same question can be raised, is will Bouchard, a guy who in his own words, excels by making the simple play, be able to operate under much heavier pressure?  Will the same simple play be available, and will he be create one if its not?  Listen to Bouchards interview, 35 ot 45 second mark...

 

 

Like Tkachuk for many of the same reasons (plus scrappiness) as a forward, I certainly believe he will be fine.  

 

I'm just craving that top end, explosive & elite skill!

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