RetroCanuck Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 31 minutes ago, Pepe Silvia said: Benning should be fired if he doesn't trade Tanev and somehow still keep him in our line up. Has to be the right package for him but I agree. its not like tanev is making this team more competitive and he's constantly injured. Trade him, worst you'll get is a first+ whereas realistically you should be able to get a 1st+an A prospect such as Liljegrin. Personally I think Benning needs to make some real moves this offseason. Trade Tanev, Nilsson and Baertschi as well as Gagner or Sutter if you can. Sign some UFAs like Vanek to flip at the deadline and then bring up prospects then from Utica. Start the season with a crap team like we have currently and then see an influx of youth next deadline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R.Dahlin26 Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 More Boqvist, easily the second best d-man in this draft with one of the highest ceiling's of all players in this draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guntrix Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 14 hours ago, Eastcoast meets Westcoast said: Bouchard has the ability to pass the puck seamlessly up to forwards and looks pretty good getting the puck up ice. His best weapon is his pass, Bomquist’s best weapon is his skating. Both have excellent shots that get thru. I will be watching the combine closely as I don’t see Bouchard being beat often so his skating is currently effective. He plays long long shifts as is common in the CHL. Players don’t go all out but tend to economize with their movement. I don’t see the knock on Bouchard and this is the first time that I can recall a player having as successful season as he did not getting more consideration. From the games I've watched, Bouchard doesn't get beat as often because he overpowers his opponents. Of course, you can't fault him for knowing how to use his body but the decisive question is whether he'll be able to use it as effectively against men, not kids. As for the second part, both are actually having great seasons. The difference is that it's much easier to track, watch and thus get excited about a prospect in the OHL. It's actually funny how eerily similar this scenario is to the prior draft. We all wanted Benning to draft the two big Canadian kids from the WHL and OHL but were surprised to see him select the lanky Swedish kid few of us had ever seen play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guntrix Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 9 hours ago, mikeyman109 said: I would disagree, he skates fine is he as fast as Jake no but not needed to be, He is the Captain of his team, scores from the back end has a lot larger sample of games to look at is bigger better at defending his own end and will get bigger. he scores at a rate better than Boqvist and plays the man harder in his own end.. His skating will improve and the intangibles he brings as a leader will be very very valuable. I see Boqvist as Petr Nedved from the defensive side. looks great until he gets into the small ice surface with big men and gets hit in the corners. Love the skating the guy possesses but it will not be the same on the smaller ice surface where he will not have the room. I want to see our defense get bigger to absorb the playoff punishment better and be prepared to clear the crease in front of Demko. Tampa Bay has it right. Big D with skill. Im not saying big slow D that cant skate, i have watched Bouchard play and he skates very well. He passes the puck better than most D. and he does not shy away from the rough stuff. My opinion of him is better than Boqvist. Just my opinion a lot seem to share , a lot seem to disagree. If you've really watched him play, you'd admit that it's decent at best. You'd be better off lauding him for his passing and getting pucks through on net. That's not to say he can't improve it though. If we're being honest, most of your posts in this thread seem to trend on the size and physicality side. Boqvist is a 17 year-old kid (almost a full year younger than Bouchard) who's 5'11" 170 pounds. That's not that bad for a 17 year-old. What happens when he inevitably grows and puts on weight? Don't limit yourself to just thinking in the now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rush17 Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 Wow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
73 Percent Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 17 minutes ago, Rush17 said: Wow Some of those small guys just can't make it in the show. Obviously that's not for benning to decide if he can or can't but let's not pretend he's some can't miss blue chip nhler here. High risk high reward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.B Cooper Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 I know I keep hearing the league is getting smaller and faster blah blah blah blah. I just can't get behind drafting a dman that is 5'9. Boqvist and Hughes are both tiny. I know there is skill there, but there was skill with Subban too. Tiny dman, while may be on the uprise, are still few and far between. Im super torn here. I love the skill. I just can't get behind drafting a defenseman that is the same height as my wife. Being 6'4", if she blocks my way, and I want to get past, I totally can. Lol. You are at an automatic disadvantage when you are that small. Say what you want, but being 6-7 inches and 40 pounds smaller than the person you are supposed to stop is a major issue. Yes I know there are like.....4 dman that size that do good, but none that are known as a great defensive player in comparison. If offense is all that matters, sure, but then why didn't they just use Subban? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 24 minutes ago, Rush17 said: Wow Like I said. If hughes had a shot he’d easily be in the top 3 conversation. Kid is the best skater, extremely high IQ and has some soft hands. To be fair Ferraro, who is makars teammate and 2nd round pick from last year also has more points than Cale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 3 minutes ago, drummerboy said: I know I keep hearing the league is getting smaller and faster blah blah blah blah. I just can't get behind drafting a dman that is 5'9. Boqvist and Hughes are both tiny. I know there is skill there, but there was skill with Subban too. Tiny dman, while may be on the uprise, are still few and far between. Neither Hughes or Boqvist at 5’9. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SingleThorn Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 17 minutes ago, ForsbergTheGreat said: Neither Hughes or Boqvist at 5’9. If you use Elite Prospects data, you are correct.( my preferred data source ). HockeyDB has them both 5'9". The vague height and weight numbers are very frustrating ! ( Troy Stecher really seems to be under 5'10" ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phat Fingers Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 3 hours ago, guntrix said: From the games I've watched, Bouchard doesn't get beat as often because he overpowers his opponents. Of course, you can't fault him for knowing how to use his body but the decisive question is whether he'll be able to use it as effectively against men, not kids. As for the second part, both are actually having great seasons. The difference is that it's much easier to track, watch and thus get excited about a prospect in the OHL. It's actually funny how eerily similar this scenario is to the prior draft. We all wanted Benning to draft the two big Canadian kids from the WHL and OHL but were surprised to see him select the lanky Swedish kid few of us had ever seen play. Guntrix, By saying that Bouchard is having an excellent season, I am not saying Bomber didn’t. So Bouchard plays good defense, he has a huge reach, 6’3 and 185lbs. Thats not a big guy, that’s a tall skinny guy. That’s a guy with a high center of gravity that I loved to work over with my 5’10 190. Later when the taller guys grew into their height they would wipe the floor with me. If Bouchard is winning battles due to strength, that’s impressive. So Bomber is considered a forward playing defence, but somehow Bouchard’s defensive abilities are invalid or questionable because he is good at it? This is the problem with the Bouchard doubters. He scores a ton with very little support, but his offensive abilities are questionable, he good at defending, but his defence is questionable and he rarely gets beat by smaller faster players, but his skating is questionable. His assests, height, reach, shot, pass, stamina, leadership and frame are all being discounted. But little is said as to why it is being discounted. I could see it if he was getting beat outside a lot, or had trouble transitioning the puck out of his zone for example. I haven to come across a advanced stats analysis of Bouchard, but with what appears to be little subtle moves, he changes lanes to open up a forward with a break out pass easily, or finds a shooting lane on goal. This is likely to his reach and height. To the eye test this would seem barely noticeable, unlike a smaller player that would have to put a lot more visible effort into creating the same openings. Food for thought. EmW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.B Cooper Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 48 minutes ago, ForsbergTheGreat said: Neither Hughes or Boqvist at 5’9. http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=210177 http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=187519 another site has Hughes as 5'10. Still shrimpish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 37 minutes ago, drummerboy said: http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=210177 http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=187519 another site has Hughes as 5'10. Still shrimpish. Hockey db is a great site for player statistic but is not that great at being up to date on height and weight. You’re better pulling information directly from there teams site. And neither player is 5’9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 1 hour ago, SingleThorn said: If you use Elite Prospects data, you are correct.( my preferred data source ). HockeyDB has them both 5'9". The vague height and weight numbers are very frustrating ! ( Troy Stecher really seems to be under 5'10" ) Hockey DB doesn’t update height and weight that often. The majority of other sites has Hughes at 5’10 175lbs, and Boqvist is 5’11, 170lbs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Camel Toe Drag Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 2 hours ago, Rush17 said: Wow Quinn Hughes gunna be this years Charlie McAvoy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bure_Pavel Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 1 hour ago, ForsbergTheGreat said: Hockey DB doesn’t update height and weight that often. The majority of other sites has Hughes at 5’10 175lbs, and Boqvist is 5’11, 170lbs ISS actually measured most of the north american prospects and has Hughes at 5'9.5, the players with the * next to their heights on their listing are ones that they measured. Was probably a few months ago I first saw it so he could have grown a tiny bit but id say they are probably pretty accurate as they measure to the quarter inch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
droid56 Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 So, 5'11, 170lbs at age 17 is tiny? Not in my world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sugar baby watermelon Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 here is Pikes top 62 picks for March, from the Hockey Writers website. I only included the top 14 where Hughes was at, the rest can be seen at the link below https://thehockeywriters.com/nhl-draft-ranking-march-2018-2/ No. Player Pos. 2017-18 Primary Team 1 Rasmus Dahlin D Frolunda HC (SHL) 2 Andrei Svechnikov RW Barrie Colts (OHL) 3 Brady Tkachuk C Boston University Terriers (NCAA) 4 Filip Zadina LW Halifax Mooseheads (QMJHL) 5 Oliver Wahlstrom C U.S. National Development Team (USHL) 6 Adam Boqvist D Brynas IF (SuperElit) 7 Rasmus Kupari C Karpat (SM-Liiga) 8 Ty Smith D Spokane Chiefs (WHL) 9 Evan Bouchard D London Knights (OHL) 10 Noah Dobson D Acadie-Bathurst Titan (QMJHL) 11 Jesperi Kotkaniemi C Assat (SM-Liiga) 12 Isac Lundestrom C Lulea HF (SHL) 13 Joel Farabee LW U.S. National Development Team (USHL) 14 Quinn Hughes D Univ. of Michigan Wolverines (NCAA) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noble 6 Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 10 hours ago, RetroCanuck said: So we get 2 firsts for Tanev but keep Tanev? Your proposal sounds a little crazy but those are the funnest ones lol Exactly. He didn't get that extension to play by the rules. I want something revolutionary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noble 6 Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 10 hours ago, .Naslund said: This is one of the funniest things I've seen on these boards EVER XD Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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