LegionOfDoom Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 What would it take for us to turn our high second into a mid 1st? If we can land dahlin/Bouchard/boqvist wirh our first pick which pretty much means we pick anywhere but 2-3 I would very much like to be in the kotkaniemi or bokk range with our next selection, if we grab zadina or svech I would like to be in the merkley smith Wilde range, I understand one of those is a 10-20 and the other is a 20-30 so what are your thoughts on moving up what would you all package with our second to make a fair trade? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 21 minutes ago, LegionOfDoom said: What would it take for us to turn our high second into a mid 1st? If we can land dahlin/Bouchard/boqvist wirh our first pick which pretty much means we pick anywhere but 2-3 I would very much like to be in the kotkaniemi or bokk range with our next selection, if we grab zadina or svech I would like to be in the merkley smith Wilde range, I understand one of those is a 10-20 and the other is a 20-30 so what are your thoughts on moving up what would you all package with our second to make a fair trade? Our 2nd plus any mix of Baer, Hutton, Goldobin. I'd consider Tanev if it's high enough as well + a pretty damn good player/prospect coming back also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LegionOfDoom Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 4 minutes ago, aGENT said: Our 2nd plus any mix of Baer, Hutton, Goldobin. I'd consider Tanev if it's high enough as well + a pretty damn good player/prospect coming back also. You think teams value those players that high? Maybe baer but goldy rarely shows anything but a glimps here and there every 5th or 6th game and Hutton can’t look like more than anything but a 7-8 dman to any team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 3 minutes ago, LegionOfDoom said: You think teams value those players that high? Maybe baer but goldy rarely shows anything but a glimps here and there every 5th or 6th game and Hutton can’t look like more than anything but a 7-8 dman to any team. Goldobin doesn't have anything close to that value on his own. No. That's not what you asked and that's not what I answered though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phat Fingers Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 3 hours ago, ForsbergTheGreat said: Mark Edwards from hockey prospects.com was talking about why Bouchard isn’t rated higher (he has him all the way down at 15). He said it’s because the kids lack compete, doesn’t play with much emotion and is lazy, constantly getting beat along the boards in battles he shouldn’t be losing. His numbers are impressive but Dale Hunter loves to inflate his players numbers, they could be up 5-0 and he’d still be putting out his #1 PP unit for the full two minutes. 32 of his points are on the powerplay. He’s got sense but when the competition gets stronger, will he be able to up his play when his complete level is so poor at the OHL level. Sounds very similar to Dougie Hamilton who currently leads NHL d in goals and consistently puts up numbers but yet no one ever considers he an elite D, he’s not even considered a #1 D becuase of his lack of compete level. Let Green and Cull get a hold of Evan and his compete level won’t be a problem! Having a d man leading the NHL in goals as a d man would be a huge improvement on our roster. This why scouts get paid. It went can get a second pick in the top 15 there is a decent selection of d men. Would love to add Ramus and Evan to the pool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
86Viking Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 @retrocanuck- If we sign a vet or 2 I am okay with that, but if you want to try and flip them for a pick or asset at the deadline we should steer far away from Vanek...we know that he is worth nothing in that regard. I think we should sign 1 vet in the summer, but this time try and get a player who will be somewhat tradeable at the TDL. As for the draft, personally dont see Canucks trading Tanev then. they will want him here to start the year, possibly usher in Juolevi or dare I say dahlin... We can all hope and pray he doesn't get injured much next year but come next trade deadline that is when you cash in on trading Tanev. get a 1st and hopefully more back. Then we go into the 2019 Draft held in our own barn with at least 2 1st round picks. Also next TDL Edler's name will be talked about a ton as he is a pending ufa, unless we give him a contract extension this summer(dear god I hope not!) Only what 6 weeks away till we can really start to get serious about the draft when we find out where we will be drafting and can hone in on who we should/could select Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 22 minutes ago, Eastcoast meets Westcoast said: Let Green and Cull get a hold of Evan and his compete level won’t be a problem! Hasnt work with Goldobin 22 minutes ago, Eastcoast meets Westcoast said: Having a d man leading the NHL in goals as a d man would be a huge improvement on our roster. Sure it would. But garrison was 3rd in goals in 11/12. I’m hoping our top pick is better than just being able to put up number. I’m looking for a game changer. 22 minutes ago, Eastcoast meets Westcoast said: This why scouts get paid. It went can get a second pick in the top 15 there is a decent selection of d men. Would love to add Ramus and Evan to the pool. Yep. I would love to as well. Although honestly. If I had a choice and had another mid first round pick. I would be using it to target a guy like dumba. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 26 minutes ago, Canuckster86 said: I think we should sign 1 vet in the summer, but this time try and get a player who will be somewhat tradeable at the TDL. Doesn't really work that way. Any vet you're going to get, particularly as a rebuilding team, that's willing to sign for 1 year and low $, is by definition not going to be a highly sought after player. Expect more hard sells, b prospects and/or late picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 55 minutes ago, Eastcoast meets Westcoast said: This why scouts get paid. It went can get a second pick in the top 15 there is a decent selection of d men. The true art of scouting is in assessing skills. And whether they will translate. Bouchard certainly appears to be an NHL player. Decision making / the ability to make the right play under pressure, a beautiful wrist shot being among his best attributes? But will he be able to guard Kucherov with his lightning & deceptive agility? Its just a question, considering there are D men who are better athletes in Bouchards relative draft position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
86Viking Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 15 minutes ago, aGENT said: Doesn't really work that way. Any vet you're going to get, particularly as a rebuilding team, that's willing to sign for 1 year and low $, is by definition not going to be a highly sought after player. Expect more hard sells, b prospects and/or late picks. For sure, dont disagree with that. But going after someone like Vermette as to Vanek would be a wiser choice. Vermette is more versatile, plays C and is good at faceoffs and can PK. Would be a more tradeable asset, key thing though Canucks would need to get him to sign here to begin with.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 18 minutes ago, aGENT said: Doesn't really work that way. Any vet you're going to get, particularly as a rebuilding team, that's willing to sign for 1 year and low $, is by definition not going to be a highly sought after player. Expect more hard sells, b prospects and/or late picks. Ain't that the truth. And if they were in demand, say like a 30 goal scorer the year before? Well, maybe you might have to buck up $30 or $40 mill. And see where the cards land... Money ball / money back is a tricky business! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 7 minutes ago, Canuckster86 said: For sure, dont disagree with that. But going after someone like Vermette as to Vanek would be a wiser choice. Vermette is more versatile, plays C and is good at faceoffs and can PK. Would be a more tradeable asset, key thing though Canucks would need to get him to sign here to begin with.... If we could have gotten Vermette last year for Vaneks salary I'm sure we might have? Maybe we even have a shot this year. He'll be 36. But we also want space for Petterson and Gaudette to make the squad. With Hank (?), Sutter, Bo ahead of our rookies, we may already have our defensive C to shelter the rookies. Hmmm? I did not think I would like Vanek's signing, but did. If Vermettte signs for what Vanek did last year, it would still be a good move again... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Gaudette Celly Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 4 hours ago, aGENT said: OTT would be lucky if they get that haul IMO. The valuations being doled out for Karlsson are quite hilarious -- far above what even Gretzky and Lindros yielded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 1 minute ago, Hutton Wink said: The valuations being doled out for Karlsson are quite hilarious -- far above what even Gretzky and Lindros yielded. People seem to already have forgotten the Duchene trade. Now granted, EK's worth a bit more but OTT's not going to get four 1sts, the team's best 3 prospects and a decent roster player for EK. It's just not going to happen. Especially with OTT's silly preference for someone take on the Ryan boat anchor in the trade as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phat Fingers Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 58 minutes ago, Canuck Surfer said: The true art of scouting is in assessing skills. And whether they will translate. Bouchard certainly appears to be an NHL player. Decision making / the ability to make the right play under pressure, a beautiful wrist shot being among his best attributes? But will he be able to guard Kucherov with his lightning & deceptive agility? Its just a question, considering there are D men who are better athletes in Bouchards relative draft position. Other than Rasmus, who in this draft class has a hope of not being beat by the Kucherov’s of the NHL? Better athletes... Very subjective until the combine. Better skaters, yup, but those guys have to pump their legs twice as many times to cover the same distance. Still think that Bouchard is being underrated but I don’t get to make the picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isam Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 On 14/03/2018 at 9:55 AM, Canuck Surfer said: Tell us about Noel? Raw as &^@# power toward along the lines of Wayne Simmonds. He more then doubled his out put this year at oshawa. One of the main problems with him is he doesn't have that specialization that a lot of junior players have in going to summer camps etc so he comes off as less talented then the kids ahead of him. His overall skating and tip ins and reaction time are outstanding though. He is probably gonna be this years Englander or Norris in the Nhl combine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 1 minute ago, Eastcoast meets Westcoast said: Other than Rasmus, who in this draft class has a hope of not being beat by the Kucherov’s of the NHL? Better athletes... Very subjective until the combine. Better skaters, yup, but those guys have to pump their legs twice as many times to cover the same distance. Still think that Bouchard is being underrated but I don’t get to make the picks. Really the point was that Dobson & Wilde among bigger D, even McIsaac & Miller lower in the draft Hughes, Boqvist & Smith are all better skaters? Bouchard is not overrated. He's being considered top 10, maybe even 5th or 6th, 4th by one or two without being an elite skater. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noble 6 Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 2 minutes ago, Eastcoast meets Westcoast said: Other than Rasmus, who in this draft class has a hope of not being beat by the Kucherov’s of the NHL? Better athletes... Very subjective until the combine. Better skaters, yup, but those guys have to pump their legs twice as many times to cover the same distance. Still think that Bouchard is being underrated but I don’t get to make the picks. So when a bigger, not as fast defenseman get's beaten by a smaller, faster player, it's because the faster player (Kucherov in this case) is a world class player that very few could defend and it's not the defenseman's fault necessarily. But when Stetcher get's outmuscled on the rush by MacKinnon, then it's the defenseman's fault because he's too small and anybody that's over 6'2 and 200 lbs can easily contain MacKinnon? I don't see how that's fair at all. I'm not saying that you implied that at all, but other people have and this was a good example. MacKinnon is who I think should win the Hart and is easily one of the most athletic people in the NHL; expecting ANY defenseman to contain him, regardless of size, is a tremendous ask that likely won't be accomplished. A smaller defenseman would be able to keep up, but would get outmuscled. A bigger defenseman would be able to push back, but MacKinnon's speed would take him around them. Regarding defending Kucherov, I feel like Boqvist, Hughes or Smith could do fairly well in keeping up with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phat Fingers Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 4 minutes ago, Canuck Surfer said: Really the point was that Dobson & Wilde among bigger D, even McIsaac & Miller lower in the draft Hughes, Boqvist & Smith are all better skaters? Bouchard is not overrated. He's being considered top 10, maybe even 5th or 6th, 4th by one or two without being an elite skater. By underrated, I was referring to the scouting report posted a page back. It had Bouchard at 15. I should have clarified. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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