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3 minutes ago, Horvat is a Boss said:

I'm not saying that you implied that at all, but other people have and this was a good example. MacKinnon is who I think should win the Hart and is easily one of the most athletic people in the NHL; expecting ANY defenseman to contain him, regardless of size, is a tremendous ask that likely won't be accomplished. A smaller defenseman would be able to keep up, but would get outmuscled. A bigger defenseman would be able to push back, but MacKinnon's speed would take him around them.

And this is my point at the top of the draft.

 

When there is a athlete capable of keeping pace with the elite of the league?  They have to be the first consideration IMO.  And very much related; if they are capable of being just as difficult a match up problem for opposing teams.

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4 minutes ago, Horvat is a Boss said:

 

So when a bigger, not as fast defenseman get's beaten by a smaller, faster player, it's because the faster player (Kucherov in this case) is a world class player that very few could defend and it's not the defenseman's fault necessarily. 

 

But when Stetcher get's outmuscled on the rush by MacKinnon, then it's the defenseman's fault because he's too small and anybody that's over 6'2 and 200 lbs can easily contain MacKinnon? I don't see how that's fair at all.

 

I'm not saying that you implied that at all, but other people have and this was a good example. MacKinnon is who I think should win the Hart and is easily one of the most athletic people in the NHL; expecting ANY defenseman to contain him, regardless of size, is a tremendous ask that likely won't be accomplished. A smaller defenseman would be able to keep up, but would get outmuscled. A bigger defenseman would be able to push back, but MacKinnon's speed would take him around them.

 

Regarding defending Kucherov, I feel like Boqvist, Hughes or Smith could do fairly well in keeping up with him. 

I think those three guys would get hammered by the likes of Getzlaf and co, which are far more numerous in the NHL.  Sure they could keep up with the smaller faster guys, but that’s not their weakness. 

 

Well someone is going to get picked before the others and someone will be happy and someone will be pissed. 

 

5 more years we may be able to settle This debate but until then we can always speculate!  

 

 

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1 minute ago, Canuck Surfer said:

And this is my point at the top of the draft.

 

When there is a athlete capable of keeping pace with the elite of the league?  They have to be the first consideration IMO.  And very much related; if they are capable of being just as difficult a match up problem for opposing teams.

Especially when they're also noted for having elite puck/stick skills and IQ and are noted for their ability to strip pucks with those assets and either skate or pass it the other way.

 

AKA - Boqvist.

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1 hour ago, Canuckster86 said:

For sure, dont disagree with that. But going after someone like Vermette as to Vanek would be a wiser choice.

 

Vermette is more versatile, plays C and is good at faceoffs and can PK. Would be a more tradeable asset, key thing though Canucks would need to get him to sign here to begin with....

It's neither here nor there really. Whose to say Vermette had/will have any interest in coming to a rebuilding team anyway?

 

The real fun will be when we decide to move guys like Tanev or guys like Baer start becoming expendable as our future core comes on line in the next couple years

 

Rental, placeholder UFA's are not going to make or break the rebuild. They're sheltering depth for now, and later, possible lottery tickets/B prospects to fill out depth, role players etc etc. If you happen to pull a 'Gaudette' out of the 5th rounder you got for one of them, you sacrifice your goat at your alter to Gordie and say thank you. It shouldn't remotely be the expectation.

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who do you guys want the Canucks to take with their 2nd round pick?  which dman or forward catches your eye?  From what I hear Barrett Hayton is a centre and comparable to Patrice Bergeron, very much a defensive forward and also very capable of providing alot of offense.  Jonny Tychonik is a defenceman from the BCHL who knows how to distribute the puck really well but is 5ft11.  

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Just now, Sugar baby watermelon said:

who do you guys want the Canucks to take with their 2nd round pick?  which dman or forward catches your eye?  From what I hear Barrett Hayton is a centre and comparable to Patrice Bergeron, very much a defensive forward and also very capable of providing alot of offense.  Jonny Tychonik is a defenceman from the BCHL who knows how to distribute the puck really well but is 5ft11.  

There's almost always a guy who slips to the 2nd and we should be right there near the top to grab him. I hate speculating even that far in to the draft as it ALWAYS changes.

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4 minutes ago, aGENT said:

There's almost always a guy who slips to the 2nd and we should be right there near the top to grab him. I hate speculating even that far in to the draft as it ALWAYS changes.

what do you think about Ryan Merkley, his draft stock is falling but that offense he can provide is crazy good but the defense is questionable, if he fell out of the 1st round but something tells me he won't

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2 minutes ago, Sugar baby watermelon said:

what do you think about Ryan Merkley, his draft stock is falling but that offense he can provide is crazy good but the defense is questionable, if he fell out of the 1st round but something tells me he won't

Again, hate to speculate because so much can and does change on draft day. If he's there at our 2nd, we'd certainly have to give him a long look.The skill set is tantalizing. The attitude reports do give me pause though...

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41 minutes ago, Canuck Surfer said:

And this is my point at the top of the draft.

 

When there is a athlete capable of keeping pace with the elite of the league?  They have to be the first consideration IMO.  And very much related; if they are capable of being just as difficult a match up problem for opposing teams.

 

The only player who's a pure "athlete" physically in the top-5 is Svechnikov. Even Dahlin doesn't have the same physical tools. Boqvist might end up being second, but that's assuming he grows a couple of inches and adds 20-25lbs while maintaining his fluid skating. There are guys who have one exceptional trait that is very tough to match (Getzlaf's size, Hughes' skating, etc.) and can prove to be effective though. Bouchard does not have any overwhelming physical attributes. 

 

I remember Chychrun's physical traits were a major factor during his draft. He was one of the few players who could likely hold his own against a Getzlaf type while also being agile enough to keep up with a Kane/Keller type. His biggest question mark was decision making. 

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From the OHL coaches poll for Evan Bouchard:

-Bouchard is the 3rd smartest player in the OHL western Conference

-Tied for 2nd best shot in the OHL western Conference

-Best Offensive defensemen by a huge margin 45 to 18 (next best) in the OHL western Conference

-Hardest shot in the OHL western Conference

 

That hardest shot makes me drool a bit (have been missing that booming clapper since Salo) 

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2 minutes ago, Bure_Pavel said:

From the OHL coaches poll for Evan Bouchard:

-Bouchard is the 3rd smartest player in the OHL western Conference

-Tied for 2nd best shot in the OHL western Conference

-Best Offensive defensemen by a huge margin 45 to 18 (next best) in the OHL western Conference

-Hardest shot in the OHL western Conference

 

That hardest shot makes me drool a bit (have been missing that booming clapper since Salo) 

That is nice to hear he has a hard shot.

 

Do we all remember Gudbranson and his 103mph shot at the skills competition? That was with  buggered up shoulder too...

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30 minutes ago, Eastcoast meets Westcoast said:

I think those three guys would get hammered by the likes of Getzlaf and co, which are far more numerous in the NHL.  Sure they could keep up with the smaller faster guys, but that’s not their weakness. 

 

Well someone is going to get picked before the others and someone will be happy and someone will be pissed. 

 

5 more years we may be able to settle This debate but until then we can always speculate!  

 

 

 

How many 6'4, 220+lbs top-6 forwards are there in the league?

 

Hughes and Boqvist will likely get worked by Getzlaf strength. Bouchard likely get's burned by Kane agility. Is one deficiency better than the other?

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27 minutes ago, Sugar baby watermelon said:

who do you guys want the Canucks to take with their 2nd round pick?  which dman or forward catches your eye?  From what I hear Barrett Hayton is a centre and comparable to Patrice Bergeron, very much a defensive forward and also very capable of providing alot of offense.  Jonny Tychonik is a defenceman from the BCHL who knows how to distribute the puck really well but is 5ft11.  

 

Merkley, Hallander, Olfosson, Miller, Addison, Samuelsson, Bokk, Noel, Sandin, Kuat, Thomas, Bahl, Dellandrea, Roman, etc. 

 

I like Hayton, but I doubt he lasts past 15-25, especially since that's where the competitive teams will be picking and they'd probably love to add a 2-way center on an ELC within the next year or two. 

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6 hours ago, aGENT said:

Come on DB, this is just the flip side of the same level of ignorance that had people demanding we 'just give JS a chance!'

 

There are pretty obvious reasons why one is ranked at +/-4th overall in a deep draft, and one went late in the 4th round. And it has nothing to to with their size.

 

Never mind that Subban is 2" shorter and only roughly 15 lbs heavier now at 23 than Boqvist is at 17 years old. He's quite likely going to be 6'+ and damn near (if not slightly over) 200lbs when fully grown. With elite skating (speed and maneuverability), elite shooting, and high IQ.

 

You're also at a disadvantage when you're bigger and get turn-styled by small, fast forwards. You need a mix of both. Right now, we're utterly lacking in his 'mix'.

 

 

I get the difference between Subs and Boqvist.  I was exaggerating a bit. Lol.  

 

From what hat I have seen of Boqvist ,admittedly very little, the kid seems pretty amazing.   But he does look really small to me.  

If he ended up 5'11 and 200lbs, I'd be fine with that and pretty damn stoked to pick him.  

I don't like to gamble with growth tho.  

I don't like small dmen, and don't want to be stuck with a puny little fella.  Just not my style. 

 

I very well could be out of date with the 5'9 160lbs.  I hope so. Haha.  

I would be furious if we took a gamble on a kid that small with a top 5 pick.  

 

Anywho, the kids skating seems phenomenal, and he makes some pretty sick plays.  

If he grows, he would be my pick. 

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12 minutes ago, Horvat is a Boss said:

 

Merkley, Hallander, Olfosson, Miller, Addison, Samuelsson, Bokk, Noel, Sandin, Kuat, Thomas, Bahl, Dellandrea, Roman, etc. 

 

I like Hayton, but I doubt he lasts past 15-25, especially since that's where the competitive teams will be picking and they'd probably love to add a 2-way center on an ELC within the next year or two. 

dangit Bobby, I forgot all about Bokk, don't forget Benning likes his connections and Pettersson and Bokk are familiar with each other too

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4 minutes ago, drummerboy said:

I get the difference between Subs and Boqvist.  I was exaggerating a bit. Lol.  

 

From what hat I have seen of Boqvist ,admittedly very little, the kid seems pretty amazing.   But he does look really small to me.  

If he ended up 5'11 and 200lbs, I'd be fine with that and pretty damn stoked to pick him.  

I don't like to gamble with growth tho.  

I don't like small dmen, and don't want to be stuck with a puny little fella.  Just not my style. 

 

I very well could be out of date with the 5'9 160lbs.  I hope so. Haha.  

I would be furious if we took a gamble on a kid that small with a top 5 pick.  

 

Anywho, the kids skating seems phenomenal, and he makes some pretty sick plays.  

If he grows, he would be my pick. 

http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=265684

 

Sweden ADAM BOQVIST

HEIGHT 180 cm / 5'11" WEIGHT 77 kg / 170 lbs

 

 

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A dynamic offensive defenceman that can carry plays with the puck on his stick. A highly mobile and nimble skater that moves with fluidity, balance, and confidence. Utilizes an active stick and creates turnovers frequently. Could be more proactive in his own end, but has shown progression in understanding lanes and reading unfolding plays; most of his best defensive work comes through the neutral zone, as there is a lot less time and space to work with, and it is in those moments that Boqvist shines. Offensively, Boqvist is electric; he has the toolbox of a top line forward. Slick puckhandling ability paired with excellent vision and positional awareness makes him a dangerous threat every time he is on the ice. He also takes advantage of the attention and bodies he draws towards himself in creating space for teammates. All-in-all, Adam Boqvist is a complete offensive defenceman that knows how to get the puck from point A to the back of the net, and can make it happen all by himself. (Curtis Joe, EP 2017) 

 

Gifted offensively. Excellent skater, can change gears without hesitation & loves carrying puck, ISS Hockey 2017

And again, one of the youngest players in the draft. He will grow and he's not even that small for a freaking 17 year old :lol: He will get better in his own end. He's too smart and skilled not to.

 

His 2 year older brother is 6' and 181lbs FWIW at a still young, 19.

http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=212690

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2 minutes ago, Sugar baby watermelon said:

dangit Bobby, I forgot all about Bokk, don't forget Benning likes his connections and Pettersson and Bokk are familiar with each other too

 

I really liked Book early on as he seemed like a human highlight reel and the next Pastrnak. However, recent reports about attitude issues and severe lack of effort in games is concerning. 

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1 minute ago, Horvat is a Boss said:

 

I really liked Book early on as he seemed like a human highlight reel and the next Pastrnak. However, recent reports about attitude issues and severe lack of effort in games is concerning. 

ah shoot, attitude issues too, both him and Merkley I hear now.... any links or stories you are aware of, I couldn't find any on Merkley but I heard somewhere on here I think

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Farabee is an intriguing player. He's 5'11 and 160 lbs, but there are some people who think he has absolutely elite offensive instincts. I can't say I've watched him play too much, but he sounds like a potential home run pick for whoever lands him.

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