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Canucks pick 1-3, we should pick BPA, anything after that, either stick to their rankings or move down and get an asset. Trading for position almost never works out. Ferraro made a point i think a year or 2 ago and mentioned teams should ALWAYS ALWAYS go BPA and never by position. Why? You can't predict the future, and a need now, might not be a need when your Defenceman that you just drafted because of position because the team might have filled that spot while the Dman was developing. You can only control whats in front of you. What if Tryamkin comes back? What if Pouliots development just skyrockets? or Juolevis? Things of that nature cannot be predicted but will defintely affect the needs of a team. If Dahlin is gone, Im ok with Svechnikov or Zadina. Ive been watching a bit more Svechnikov vids, I know that Russian thing might scare people off, but man oh man, he looks like a carbon copy of the early Blue jackets version of Rick Nash. Who wouldn;'t want that kind of player in your team?

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6 hours ago, Canuck Surfer said:

Maybe?  Il'll take that feedback. 

 

He looks pretty slick to me, but that's not necessarily top speed.

 

He's one of those players that's so smart he doesn't need burning speed. He picks his spots and is quick enough to follow through usually. He generated some pretty good separation on his breakaway goal last week. 

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Nothing in the quote mentions compete. Good hockey sense and offensive ability. Nothing about will to win battles along the boards and in front of the net. 

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Seems like Evan has a pretty complete game according to some scouts. Directly contradicts the opinion expressed in your sound bite. 

 

 

FTG, both are good players and some of us disagree with you.  That doesn’t mean anyone is right or wrong at this point. 

 

 

 

For the sake of arguement, literally, don’t knock down another player in an attempt to make your preferred player better. It makes your POV look weak.

 

Im not knocking. I posting what the head of one of the top scouting services said about him. It’s also not the first time that his compete level has been brought up. 

 

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6 hours ago, AlwaysACanuckFan said:

Just copying and pasting his top 10 

 

Rasmus Dahlin / LHD / 6’2 181lbs / 04-13-00 (SHL)

The entire package. Do we really need to say more?

Andrei Svechnikov / RW / 6’2 187lbs / 03-26-00 (OHL)

Physically ready for the NHL, Svechnikov blends world-class finishing ability with hard-nosed and defensively responsible play. A goal scorer who can impact the game in all situations. Terrific blend of speed, power and precision. He’ll be a front-line threat for years to come.

Filip Zadina / RW / 6’ 190lbs / 11-27-99 (QMJHL)

Uses his size and strength to create space and then delivers electric moves and finishing ability. He’s absolutely lethal from the circles down. A tireless worker who loves the big stage. Need a first line winger? He’s your man.

Quinn Hughes / LHD / 5’10 174lbs / 10-14-99 (NCAA)

A consummate playmaker who boasts the elite speed needed to thrive at his stature. The youngest player in the NCAA this season, his confidence has been building all season. His late 1999 birthday helped crack the WJC team and his play spoke for itself. The best skater in this class and a one-man breakout machine. He can run a power play with the best of them.

 Adam Boqvist / RHD / 5’11 170lbs / 08-15-00 (SHL)

Dynamic puck skills, terrific vision, speed, smarts, and a heavy shot. His late birthday means he is just a month away from being eligible for the 2019 class further illustrating how massive his potential is. Has a big shot and loves to unload it. Far too good for the J20 circuit yet sees too few minutes in the SHL has put him in a bit of a tough spot this season. His omission from the WJC does nothing to push him down this board. He’ll play a prominent role next year for the Swedes.

  Oliver Wahlstrom / RW / 6’1 198lbs / 06-13-00 (USNTDP)

Owns some of the best pure puck skills in the draft. The goal scoring forward doesn’t shy away from attacking dangerous scoring areas and boasts strong speed and quick feet. He’s been on fire with the USNTDP this year, leading the charge from tip to tail. Loves to engage physically almost as much as he loves finding the back of the net.

  Noah Dobson / RHD / 6’3 179lbs / 01-07-00 (QMJHL)

A right-shot defender who has all the tools to be an all-around top-four producer. He’s having a terrific year with Acadia-Bathurst of the QMJHL, while bringing high-end processing ability, soft hands and a willingness to take calculated risks. A smooth skater but will want to add more speed as he matures. Often logs 30-plus minutes a night with ease. Reminiscent of Alex Pietrangelo

  Brady Tkachuk / LW/C / 6’2 194lbs / 09-16-99 (NCAA)

The elder statesman of the 2018 crop missed last year’s draft by a single day. That will factor into his evaluation and so far, he’s done fine but not exceptionally well in the NCAA but his lights out World Junior showing moves the needle. Many see Tkachuk as a centre at the next level, but I feel he needs a distributor to feed him and will be a winger long term as witnessed while playing next to Casey Mittelstadt. His hands are soft, his shot his heavy and plays an abrasive and pro-style game.

  Evan Bouchard / RHD / 6’2 181lbs / 10-20-99 (OHL)

A strong puck-moving defender who has taken on all the tough minutes on a now-depleted Knights’ squad. Runs the power play with precision, uses his big shot with impunity and finds a way onto the scoresheet most nights. Lacks dynamic skills that jump out at you, so it’s sometimes hard to fall in love with him, but he’s a workhorse and that gets the job done.

Ty Smith / LHD / 5’11 176lbs / 03-24-00 (WHL)

The dynamic two-way defender continues to display his full arsenal of weapons with Spokane this season. The former first overall pick in the 2015 WHL bantam draft, Smith is an excellent skater who demonstrates poise and patience with the puck. His outlets are crisp and his head is always up. He’s a player you fall in love with because he always makes the right play. High ceiling and high floor – What’s not to like?

Dobbers is a fantasy hockey site.  Dobbers is a fantasy hockey site.  Dobbers is a fantasy hockey site.

Sorry but my biggest pet peeve is people using Dobbers as a resource.  They won't be far off actual NHL talent but they're biased towards guys who put up points and points only as it is a fantasy hockey ranking. Things like skating, leadership, etc that don't show up on the score board are not important in their rankings.

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8 hours ago, Canuck Surfer said:

  

 

Petr Nedved may not have turned out to be the best pick in his draft?  But he was a great pick!

 

Played nearly 1000 NHL games and led more than 1 NHL team in scoring.  Was a dangerous player.  

 

Could he have been better?  Was he the best player he can be?  Did the Canucks give up on him too early???  

Petr Nedved sulked from day one. He did not want to play in Canada, nor any small market USA team.

 

If I have it right, he was not given up on, but had a major 5 year old hissy fit and put the Canucks in a 'Ryan Kesler' like situation. I am one of those annoyingly positive fans, but I was at PN's draft and had my own hissy fit when we drafted him !

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6 hours ago, AlwaysACanuckFan said:

Just copying and pasting his top 10 

 

Rasmus Dahlin / LHD / 6’2 181lbs / 04-13-00 (SHL)

The entire package. Do we really need to say more?

Andrei Svechnikov / RW / 6’2 187lbs / 03-26-00 (OHL)

Physically ready for the NHL, Svechnikov blends world-class finishing ability with hard-nosed and defensively responsible play. A goal scorer who can impact the game in all situations. Terrific blend of speed, power and precision. He’ll be a front-line threat for years to come.

Filip Zadina / RW / 6’ 190lbs / 11-27-99 (QMJHL)

Uses his size and strength to create space and then delivers electric moves and finishing ability. He’s absolutely lethal from the circles down. A tireless worker who loves the big stage. Need a first line winger? He’s your man.

Quinn Hughes / LHD / 5’10 174lbs / 10-14-99 (NCAA)

A consummate playmaker who boasts the elite speed needed to thrive at his stature. The youngest player in the NCAA this season, his confidence has been building all season. His late 1999 birthday helped crack the WJC team and his play spoke for itself. The best skater in this class and a one-man breakout machine. He can run a power play with the best of them.

 Adam Boqvist / RHD / 5’11 170lbs / 08-15-00 (SHL)

Dynamic puck skills, terrific vision, speed, smarts, and a heavy shot. His late birthday means he is just a month away from being eligible for the 2019 class further illustrating how massive his potential is. Has a big shot and loves to unload it. Far too good for the J20 circuit yet sees too few minutes in the SHL has put him in a bit of a tough spot this season. His omission from the WJC does nothing to push him down this board. He’ll play a prominent role next year for the Swedes.

  Oliver Wahlstrom / RW / 6’1 198lbs / 06-13-00 (USNTDP)

Owns some of the best pure puck skills in the draft. The goal scoring forward doesn’t shy away from attacking dangerous scoring areas and boasts strong speed and quick feet. He’s been on fire with the USNTDP this year, leading the charge from tip to tail. Loves to engage physically almost as much as he loves finding the back of the net.

  Noah Dobson / RHD / 6’3 179lbs / 01-07-00 (QMJHL)

A right-shot defender who has all the tools to be an all-around top-four producer. He’s having a terrific year with Acadia-Bathurst of the QMJHL, while bringing high-end processing ability, soft hands and a willingness to take calculated risks. A smooth skater but will want to add more speed as he matures. Often logs 30-plus minutes a night with ease. Reminiscent of Alex Pietrangelo

  Brady Tkachuk / LW/C / 6’2 194lbs / 09-16-99 (NCAA)

The elder statesman of the 2018 crop missed last year’s draft by a single day. That will factor into his evaluation and so far, he’s done fine but not exceptionally well in the NCAA but his lights out World Junior showing moves the needle. Many see Tkachuk as a centre at the next level, but I feel he needs a distributor to feed him and will be a winger long term as witnessed while playing next to Casey Mittelstadt. His hands are soft, his shot his heavy and plays an abrasive and pro-style game.

  Evan Bouchard / RHD / 6’2 181lbs / 10-20-99 (OHL)

A strong puck-moving defender who has taken on all the tough minutes on a now-depleted Knights’ squad. Runs the power play with precision, uses his big shot with impunity and finds a way onto the scoresheet most nights. Lacks dynamic skills that jump out at you, so it’s sometimes hard to fall in love with him, but he’s a workhorse and that gets the job done.

Ty Smith / LHD / 5’11 176lbs / 03-24-00 (WHL)

The dynamic two-way defender continues to display his full arsenal of weapons with Spokane this season. The former first overall pick in the 2015 WHL bantam draft, Smith is an excellent skater who demonstrates poise and patience with the puck. His outlets are crisp and his head is always up. He’s a player you fall in love with because he always makes the right play. High ceiling and high floor – What’s not to like?

That pretty damn close to my top 10 :ph34r:

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2 hours ago, ForsbergTheGreat said:

 

 

 

Nothing in the quote mentions compete. Good hockey sense and offensive ability. Nothing about will to win battles along the boards and in front of the net. 

 

Im not knocking. I posting what the head of one of the top scouting services said about him. It’s also not the first time that his compete level has been brought up. 

 

RE read it FTG 

 

Defensively active, cutting off lanes and always staying in excellent positioning. Reads cues well in all three zones and seems to stay a step ahead. All-in-all, a well-rounded defender with great hockey sense and work ethic. (Curtis Joe, EP 2017)

 

Great hockey sense and work ethic. 

 

To a old school guy like

myself, terms like work ethic and compete are interchangeable.  

 

Remeber that hat he was named team captain and had the highest minutes per game avg for defence men in the OHL. 

 

This is less about his ‘compete’ than his economy of movement. He gets things done, but does so with less effort than other players. This speaks to him logging longer shifts than he will ever see as a pro, that he has conditioning, but is able to remain consistent from game to game all season.  That’s discplined play and what I would think is an attribute for a draft eligible player.  

 

Bouchard is a three zone player that has put up the highest PPG in the CHL for a draft eligible player since Ryan Ellis. 

 

He does this by not being flashy, but consistent, using his shot, pass and IQ while still being able to play defense.  

 

He isn’t the flash and dash d man everyone seems to be so excited about, but then again neither were many top end d men in the NHL like Bourque, Macinnis, Lidstrom, Big Bird etc. 

 

This draft will produce more

top end d men than the last 3 drafts combined. 

 

I have very little doubt that the Canucks will walk away with an excellent player based on where we will draft. Bomber or Bouchard would both become the best defensive prospect in club history.  I just happen to edge towards Bouchard based on his reach, size, height, consistency, IQ, leadership, passing and offensive awareness. If they were forwards, I would be wanting Bomber. I just value Bouchard higher than you do. 

 

 

 This is why I want Tanev to be dealt. I would love to see a Tanev for Vlardi deal or Tanev for a top 15 pick. 

 

This draft reminds me of the Doughty draft or the Kesler draft.  I want JB to have as many picks as he can lay his hands on. 

 

EmW

 

 

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3 hours ago, ForsbergTheGreat said:

 

 

 

Nothing in the quote mentions compete. Good hockey sense and offensive ability. Nothing about will to win battles along the boards and in front of the net. 

 

Im not knocking. I posting what the head of one of the top scouting services said about him. It’s also not the first time that his compete level has been brought up. 

 

I think the Playoffs are the best place to gauge this, Guys like Bo or Boeser were able able to elevate their games in the playoffs big time. I do like how he stepped up his play in the prospects game though. Right now its close between Hughes, Bouchard, and Boqvist.     

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1 hour ago, Eastcoast meets Westcoast said:

RE read it FTG 

 

Defensively active, cutting off lanes and always staying in excellent positioning. Reads cues well in all three zones and seems to stay a step ahead. All-in-all, a well-rounded defender with great hockey sense and work ethic. (Curtis Joe, EP 2017)

 

Great hockey sense and work ethic. 

 

To a old school guy like

myself, terms like work ethic and compete are interchangeable.  

None of that means compete and wins puck battles. Taylor Pyatt might put in the effort of the ice and have a good work ethic but that doesn’t mean he shows it on the ice. Dougie Hamilton is the same. Very fit player but lacks intensity in games. 

 

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Remeber that hat he was named team captain and had the highest minutes per game avg for defence men in the OHL. 

And that’s what people say is the reasoning for his lack of intensity, due to over use. But it could just be he’s not a very intense person. 

 

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This is less about his ‘compete’ than his economy of movement. He gets things done, but does so with less effort than other players. This speaks to him logging longer shifts than he will ever see as a pro, that he has conditioning, but is able to remain consistent from game to game all season.  That’s discplined play and what I would think is an attribute for a draft eligible player.  

 

Bouchard is a three zone player that has put up the highest PPG in the CHL for a draft eligible player since Ryan Ellis. 

 

He does this by not being flashy, but consistent, using his shot, pass and IQ while still being able to play defense.  

And that’s why he’s projected to be a top 15 pick. He’s a good d prospect just no one puts him in the top end of the rankings despite all his pro’s. Have you not wondered why the guy who has all those abilities you just listed not been able to find himself in the top 5 in most scouting rankings?  Obviously there has to be a flaw in his game. 

 

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This draft will produce more

top end d men than the last 3 drafts combined. 

 

im not so sure about that.

 

 

 

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I have very little doubt that the Canucks will walk away with an excellent player based on where we will draft. Bomber or Bouchard would both become the best defensive prospect in club history.  I just happen to edge towards Bouchard based on his reach, size, height, consistency, IQ, leadership, passing and offensive awareness. If they were forwards, I would be wanting Bomber. I just value Bouchard higher than you do. 

 

 

 This is why I want Tanev to be dealt. I would love to see a Tanev for Vlardi deal or Tanev for a top 15 pick. 

 

This draft reminds me of the Doughty draft or the Kesler draft.  I want JB to have as many picks as he can lay his hands on. 

 

It’s a deep draft with lots of d. But lots of d in 08 didn’t turn out. The ones that did are elite but the ones that didn’t.... it would be a big miss for this organization to have happen. 

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, dura_mater said:

Dobbers is a fantasy hockey site.  Dobbers is a fantasy hockey site.  Dobbers is a fantasy hockey site.

Sorry but my biggest pet peeve is people using Dobbers as a resource.  They won't be far off actual NHL talent but they're biased towards guys who put up points and points only as it is a fantasy hockey ranking. Things like skating, leadership, etc that don't show up on the score board are not important in their rankings.

To be fair, IMO they're using Cam Robinson the scout (who happens to work for Dobber) as a 'resource'. It's small, but there is a distinction there. But yes, like any scout/ranking list you have to take with context of where they're coming from.

 

Whatever you think of his rankings, I do like that he correctly identifies and spells out that there are pretty clear tiers in the draft for all those linear 'consensus BPA' people...

 

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Regarding tiers, this crop has a clear number one in Rasmus Dahlin, after that, players in the 2-7 slots would make up the second tier. One could argue that Andrei Svechnikov could deserve his own tier, but he hasn’t separated himself fully and completely enough to warrant that – yet anyways.

 

The third tier is comprised of players in the 8-17 positions, with 18-23 falling into tier four. Tier five is your players from 25-40, and then look for players 41-65 to be a nice full grouping in tier six who could still yet separate themselves from one another as the year closes.

 

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With the canucks particular needs and three RHD on seemingly everyone's top 2 through 9 (With Dahlin the #1 rated player) my expectation if we don't pick first is JB picks whichever of the three RHD he likes best and that will be his best player available.  

 

I know my personal preference is the larger workhorse D man but maybe I am too old school.  I have confidence JB will make the right pick.  

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9 minutes ago, TGT68 said:

With the canucks particular needs and three RHD on seemingly everyone's top 2 through 9 (With Dahlin the #1 rated player) my expectation if we don't pick first is JB picks whichever of the three RHD he likes best and that will be his best player available.  

 

I know my personal preference is the larger workhorse D man but maybe I am too old school.  I have confidence JB will make the right pick.  

I don't know... I mean if we're picking # 2, it's pretty hard to pass on Svech IMO. Not dissimilar on Zadina though I could potentially see us (or another team) nabbing Boqvist before him.

 

But if we're at 4 and Boqvist goes at 3 it would be awful hard to pass on Zadina there. And after that it would be a tough call between Hughes/Whalstrom and then Tkachuck, Dobson, Bouchard...maybe even Smith.

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8 minutes ago, aGENT said:

I don't know... I mean if we're picking # 2, it's pretty hard to pass on Svech IMO. Not dissimilar on Zadina though I could potentially see us (or another team) nabbing Boqvist before him.

 

But if we're at 4 and Boqvist goes at 3 it would be awful hard to pass on Zadina there. And after that it would be a tough call between Hughes/Whalstrom and then Tkachuck, Dobson, Bouchard...maybe even Smith.

If we are at 4 and we pick whoever im sure it will create some who agree and some who dont. I am not sold on Zadina as i have not sen him play at all. I have seen some on Dahlin obviously, Svech, seen some on Boqvist as well. Again i am not as impressed with him as others are. The only way I would pick the Boqvist kid is if we got a second first rounder to pick up another D man in case he doesn't work out. I just am not sold on a lightweight young, very young small D man that skates on the big ice in Europe.

The fast skating doesnt always translate here in North America. Lidstrom was a star and didnt have to skate like Bure to do it. Bigger swedes are having more success at D like Hedman. again my humble opinion.

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I think if we get the 1st pick, we take it and run. If we get say 2-3, I'd trade down to 4-5 if I'm confident Boqvist\dman is available. I'd freaken love Svechnikov but we just can't make the mistake the Oilers and the Sabres made, going heavy on the forwards. We can't take Boqvist at 2nd cause we could trade down and get him at 4th. 

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Just now, Tryamkin88 said:

I think if we get the 1st pick, we take it and run. If we get say 2-3, I'd trade down to 4-5 if I'm confident Boqvist\dman is available. I'd freaken love Svechnikov but we just can't make the mistake the Oilers and the Sabres made, going heavy on the forwards. We can't take Boqvist at 2nd cause we could trade down and get him at 4th. 

I don't disagree on the 1st pick obviously. I agree 100% on the Svech vs Oilers issue. Trading down depends on who you trade with, what you get from them, and who you covet as your player.

I would look at all options past 1. To trade down we would need the other teams first round pick this year, maybe their first round pick next year as well and a good prospect.

Boqvist will not last past 5, and I wouldnt mind if we passed on him although as 48mph says we do need a puck moving D man. There are others this year that do that as well. Maybe better.

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39 minutes ago, TGT68 said:

With the canucks particular needs and three RHD on seemingly everyone's top 2 through 9 (With Dahlin the #1 rated player) my expectation if we don't pick first is JB picks whichever of the three RHD he likes best and that will be his best player available.  

 

I know my personal preference is the larger workhorse D man but maybe I am too old school.  I have confidence JB will make the right pick.  

If we’re in the top 3 those players are too  talents to pass up on for a team need. 

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Just now, ForsbergTheGreat said:

If we’re in the top 3 those players are too  talents to pass up on for a team need. 

Agreed 100%. 

 

Edmonton's problem (imo) isn't that they went too forward heavy. It's that they didn't develop them properly and didn't move the redundant pieces for high returns when they had the chance. Hall and Eberle both could have fetched them a king's ransom and gone a long ways toward rebuilding their D core. Instead they have Larsson and Strome.

 

Oh, and let's not forget the Reinhart trade. They could have nabbed both Chabot and Dermott with the two picks they gave up for Reinhart :lol:

 

Say what you want about our trading, but EDM has made some doozies over the last few years xD

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