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25 minutes ago, mikeyman109 said:

I dont see a scenario where Nashville would move Ellis. cap issues or not they would move someone else to keep him. they need D like everyone else.

OEL is not someone we need either. We need to draft out D and be prepared to succeed with it. think 4 years out from today. we arent trading or signing free agent D to pull us out of this rebuild. Patience will be needed.

I just want a solid vet with a high compete level to help these young kids transition into our club, and Ellis is only like 26/27 he’s not going to hurt us in the long run. Say we draft Hughes wouldn’t you want Ellis there teaching him the way as they play a similar game. 

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7 minutes ago, LegionOfDoom said:

I just want a solid vet with a high compete level to help these young kids transition into our club, and Ellis is only like 26/27 he’s not going to hurt us in the long run. Say we draft Hughes wouldn’t you want Ellis there teaching him the way as they play a similar game. 

Sure every team wants a good player for teaching but we dont have that. and Nashville isnt stupid enough  to give that up. Dont you think they want to win also?

 

Thats the old why dont the Canucks package up Smyl Sandlak Gradin Tanti and every other player and trade them to Edmonton for Gretzky deal. Edmontont doesnt want your crap for their good players. Ellis most likely doesnt want to leave a good situation in Nashville to come to our crappy situation. stop dreaming and come back to reality

 PS if you want a solid D man we will have to draft him

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3 hours ago, ForsbergTheGreat said:

None of that means compete and wins puck battles. Taylor Pyatt might put in the effort of the ice and have a good work ethic but that doesn’t mean he shows it on the ice. Dougie Hamilton is the same. Very fit player but lacks intensity in games.  

 

And that’s what people say is the reasoning for his lack of intensity, due to over use. But it could just be he’s not a very intense person. 

 

And that’s why he’s projected to be a top 15 pick. He’s a good d prospect just no one puts him in the top end of the rankings despite all his pro’s. Have you not wondered why the guy who has all those abilities you just listed not been able to find himself in the top 5 in most scouting rankings?  Obviously there has to be a flaw in his game. 

 

 

im not so sure about that.

 

 

 

 

It’s a deep draft with lots of d. But lots of d in 08 didn’t turn out. The ones that did are elite but the ones that didn’t.... it would be a big miss for this organization to have happen. 

 

 

 

I think we will agree to disagree. 

 

ATM all anyone can do is opine and speculate. 

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5 minutes ago, mikeyman109 said:

Says the guy who knows its going to take 4 years to replace that tire fire of a D core

Nonsense. Get them in/approaching their prime, sure. But we could have the building blocks in place as soon as this or next year.

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6 minutes ago, aGENT said:

Nonsense. Get them in/approaching their prime, sure. But we could have the building blocks in place as soon as this or next year.

Nonsense, if we draft Dahlin and thats still a big If we will have two prospects that may or may not play in Vancouver Next year. The current crop of D is horrible. Edler is done, Guddy has not played over 50 games yet i dont think. Tanev is hurt always and will be traded, the rest are 5-8 D men on the worst team in the league. How do you feel it will improve next year?

Tryamkin is always trotted out as a top 4 but he isnt here and theres npo reason to believe he will play next year either.

Again i say think 4 years from now as we will need to draft D each year and some will be ready right away and some will not.

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2 hours ago, Warhippy said:

Alternatively.  how many players like Kane/Kucherov in the league are there?  For every 1 Patrick Kane there is 100 Evander Kanes.  I don't think there's a bad choice out of the 3 myself but have my opinions on choices

 

There are a lot more forwards in the NHL who are more similar physically to Kane/Kucherov than to Getzlaf, especially with speed being so essential now. Maybe not in terms of talent, but in terms of physical tools.

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Just now, mikeyman109 said:

Nonsense, if we draft Dahlin and thats still a big If we will have two prospects that may or may not play in Vancouver Next year. The current crop of D is horrible. Edler is done, Guddy has not played over 50 games yet i dont think. Tanev is hurt always and will be traded, the rest are 5-8 D men on the worst team in the league. How do you feel it will improve next year?

Tryamkin is always trotted out as a top 4 but he isnt here and theres npo reason to believe he will play next year either.

Again i say think 4 years from now as we will need to draft D each year and some will be ready right away and some will not.

I thought we were talking about 'in 4 years'? ;)

 

One good Tanev trade, a solid draft and further development and voila. Building blocks for future D core. And yes, even after this/next year, we should continue to draft D.

 

And Edler is far from done. 

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Just now, aGENT said:

I thought we were talking about 'in 4 years'? ;)

 

One good Tanev trade, a solid draft and further development and voila. Building blocks for future D core. And yes, even after this/next year, we should continue to draft D.

 

And Edler is far from done. 

yes in 4 years the players we draft this year will be ready to compete at D. Even Dahlin will take a year or two to get adjusted.

Tanev trade doesnt mean we get a stud defenseman back? unless you arent saying that, perhaps we get a forward back. or a draft pick. which is what I hope they get. Then we can take another D man this year in the first round hopefully.

Edler is DONE, he has been awful the lasyt 2 years, giveaways , doesn't pass the puck well on the PP and his skating is going downhill fast

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3 minutes ago, Horvat is a Boss said:

 

 

at 5'10 161 lbs i have the same concerns as with Boqvist. Too small to play D in the NHL and will be unable to withstand the punishment the playoffs dish out in the big leagues. as a depth guy 7-8 maybe buit i wouldnt pass on a Boudchard or a Wilde or a Bahl to get him

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9 minutes ago, mikeyman109 said:

yes in 4 years the players we draft this year will be ready to compete at D. Even Dahlin will take a year or two to get adjusted.

Tanev trade doesnt mean we get a stud defenseman back? unless you arent saying that, perhaps we get a forward back. or a draft pick. which is what I hope they get. Then we can take another D man this year in the first round hopefully.

Edler is DONE, he has been awful the lasyt 2 years, giveaways , doesn't pass the puck well on the PP and his skating is going downhill fast

I like Rob Zepp's thread on targeting Sanheim out of PHI. Say Tanev + MDZ + Goldobin to PHI for Sanheim, one of their mid 1sts and their 3rd.

 

Likely/possibly draft a D with our pick and the mid 1st (if not our 2nd, one of our 3rds etc). Suddenly we have something like:

 

Juolevi, Boqvist, Sanheim, Wilde, Tryamkin, Brisebois, McEneny, Chatfield, Brassard, McEneny....

With Hutton, Pouliot, Stecher, Gudbranson already on the team as well as Edler sheltering/mentoring as required..

 

Anybody upset with something like that as our potential D heading forward? I sure wouldn't be.

 

That's 15 solid guys I'd say gives you pretty decent odds at least a few of them turn in to top 4/top 2 D with lots to likely choose from as your bottom pair. Never mind trades, UFA's etc to fill in anywhere you deem worthwhile or any other guys we draft/develop/sign in the next couple years.

 

Edler has been a stud this year. You're drunk.

 

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2 minutes ago, aGENT said:

I like Rob Zepp's thread on targeting Sanheim out of PHI. Say Tanev + MDZ + Goldobin to PHI for Sanheim, one of their mid 1sts and their 3rd.

 

Likely/possibly draft a D with our pick and the mid 1st (if not our 2nd, one of our 3rds etc). Suddenly we have something like:

 

Juolevi, Boqvist, Sanheim, Wilde, Tryamkin, Brisebois, McEneny, Chatfield, Brassard, McEneny....

With Hutton, Pouliot, Stecher, Gudbranson already on the team as well as Edler sheltering/mentoring as required..

 

Anybody upset with something like that as our potential D heading forward? I sure wouldn't be.

 

That's 15 solid guys I'd say gives you pretty decent odds at least a few of them turn in to top 4/top 2 D with lots to likely choose from as your bottom pair. Never mind trades, UFA's etc to fill in anywhere you deem worthwhile or any other guys we draft/develop/sign in the next couple years.

 

Edler has been a stud this year. You're drunk.

 

you are quoting trades that 99% will not happen. I love it when people trade layers that other teams most likely do not care to have and say we should do this....insert player here for Gretzky... Tanev is not going to Philly for anyone they have a decent D with Gostishere as the Tanev option. The teams that would be interested in Tanev and like to give u nothing back are Toronto and Edmonton. But they do not really have anything to give us either because they need help on D also.
Boqvist and Wilde are not both coming here unless Wilde for some reason slips into the second round. He will be taken mid 1st round and i dont see a deal where we give up Tanev to get a first rounder this year as they can draft a Tanev with that pick.,

Any D heading forward that has Tryamkin in it is not real yet. he is still not happy with having to live here instaed of at home , maybe he will come over maybe not.

Pouliot Stecher, Gudbranson would be 5-8 on any other team except maybe Edmonton

We are in last place almost for a reason and its this FD crop. They don't move the puck well. They don't defend well. They don't all skate well.

Maybe you should put the bong down and wait a few hours before posting any more gibberish

 

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24 minutes ago, aGENT said:

I thought we were talking about 'in 4 years'? ;)

 

One good Tanev trade, a solid draft and further development and voila. Building blocks for future D core. And yes, even after this/next year, we should continue to draft D.

 

And Edler is far from done. 

Don’t you know that this one draft pick is our only opportunity to fill the teams need for size. 

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3 minutes ago, mikeyman109 said:

you are quoting trades that 99% will not happen. I love it when people trade layers that other teams most likely do not care to have and say we should do this....insert player here for Gretzky... Tanev is not going to Philly for anyone they have a decent D with Gostishere as the Tanev option. The teams that would be interested in Tanev and like to give u nothing back are Toronto and Edmonton. But they do not really have anything to give us either because they need help on D also.
Boqvist and Wilde are not both coming here unless Wilde for some reason slips into the second round. He will be taken mid 1st round and i dont see a deal where we give up Tanev to get a first rounder this year as they can draft a Tanev with that pick.,

Any D heading forward that has Tryamkin in it is not real yet. he is still not happy with having to live here instaed of at home , maybe he will come over maybe not.

Pouliot Stecher, Gudbranson would be 5-8 on any other team except maybe Edmonton

We are in last place almost for a reason and its this FD crop. They don't move the puck well. They don't defend well. They don't all skate well.

Maybe you should put the bong down and wait a few hours before posting any more gibberish

 

Tanev would fit VERY well in PHI actually and likely help make them a serious contender instantly.

 

But yes, it's just a concept. Doesn't mean we can't/won't do something similar. With PHI or otherwise. You asked how our D could be rebuilt in short order, I showed you.

 

Wilde (or a similar D) would be with the mid 1st from a Tanev + trade.

 

Tryamkin is merely one of 15 possible guys listed for 6 spots. You're being obtuse.

 

You need #5-8 D as part of your D too FYI. Chances are, at least a couple guys continue to develop beyond their current ability.

 

Yeah, so I post a potential future D pool that corrects those things and I'm smoking a bong. Sure....

 

You seem utterly devoid of the ability to look past the end of your nose.

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5 minutes ago, ForsbergTheGreat said:

Don’t you know that this one draft pick is our only opportunity to fill the teams need for size. 

For someone who keeps going on about '4 years from now', he sure is myopic and short sighted. 

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8 minutes ago, aGENT said:

Tanev would fit VERY well in PHI actually and likely help make them a serious contender instantly.

 

But yes, it's just a concept. Doesn't mean we can't/won't do something similar. With PHI or otherwise. You asked how our D could be rebuilt in short order, I showed you.

 

Wilde (or a similar D) would be with the mid 1st from a Tanev + trade.

 

Tryamkin is merely one of 15 possible guys listed for 6 spots. You're being obtuse.

 

You need #5-8 D as part of your D too FYI. Chances are, at least a couple guys continue to develop beyond their current ability.

 

Yeah, so I post a potential future D pool that corrects those things and I'm smoking a bong. Sure....

 

You seem utterly devoid of the ability to look past the end of your nose.

what i am utterly devoid of is seeing how this tire fire turns into a serviceable NHL defense group. I dont have your rose colored glasses and watching this team and the NHL for the past 48 years has shown me where the pitfalls lie.

Choosing to advocate trades to teams that seemingly have no interest in those  moves is hilarious and makes me question your sanity.

I agree we do need 5-8 D as part of our D group This we agree on its just that every player we have currently fits into that group

 we need to draft top 4 D to improve our chances of being competitive for a cup and making the playoffs on a regular basis.

The Brisebis, Chatfield Mceneny argument is really hard to see them as top 4 as they havent had a call up this year at all ....its always been Biega.

We didnt even give Holm more than 1 game before he was traded.... because they are not top 4 and its not looking like they will be there. Thats why we need to draft the best candidates for our team to be ready in 4 years.

and at the end of my nose I smell a tire fire, oh yeah thats our D

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50 minutes ago, mikeyman109 said:

Sure every team wants a good player for teaching but we dont have that. and Nashville isnt stupid enough  to give that up. Dont you think they want to win also?

 

Thats the old why dont the Canucks package up Smyl Sandlak Gradin Tanti and every other player and trade them to Edmonton for Gretzky deal. Edmontont doesnt want your crap for their good players. Ellis most likely doesnt want to leave a good situation in Nashville to come to our crappy situation. stop dreaming and come back to reality

 PS if you want a solid D man we will have to draft him

There is a salary cap.... they got Josi subban as there 1 2 already there not going to pay Ellis never mind figure out ekholm as well, I’m not saying throwing them crap I’m sugguesting a hockey trade, so there is no need to try and be little my sugguestion of a move I think is a way of  bettering us for the future thanks for your thoughts Mikey agree to disagree 

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