Alflives Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 1 minute ago, mikeyman109 said: I think that is just an impatient attempt to try to rebuild faster than this city has patience for. Its been our Achilles heel forever. We don't have the patience to draft and build the team. We want what we see happening on other teams and want to do it now thus overpaying in monetary and players. Other teams over the years have thrived on picking us apart that way. Neely for Pederson We need to stay the course, draft to what fits our team best and look at all options to improve in our timeline. Again no disrespect for another opinion but mine is draft, draft, draft. and if you don't want to watch for the four years or so it takes to build a team then go watch the leafs. they are on every Saturday night on CBC I’ll watch the Leafs, when they lose in round one, because they don’t play defence. I have no interest in speeding up the rebuild. I do believe our next core (especially the forwards) need to be of relatively similar ages. I think not having an elite D now in our system (I do have high hopes for Rathbone) means that next guy will be too young to fit in with our forwards unless he’s a Doughty talent. i think a 28 year old EK or Doughty would fit very nicely with our next core of forwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AC Readership Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 17 minutes ago, mikeyman109 said: I guess that depends on who you think is the BPA, just because someone ranks Zadina over Boqvist doesn't mean they are correct. Yakupov anyone? Or Petr Nedved over Jagr? Gotta take the forward, if you're unsure you trade down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyman109 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 7 minutes ago, Isam said: Watched both alot and I like Bouchard,, but you are undervaluing boqvist alot Mikey. Put it this way, every time boqvist has played best on best with his for Sweden, he hasn't looked out of place. He has put up better numbers at the hlinka then Bouchard, did ok in limited minutes with men, and has put as good of numbers as an did in his draft year if not better in the superelit. The reasons I have for not liking the pic of Boqvist are as follows. First off i dont dislike his skill set. I think he is a great skater and seems to possess a great shot. so lets get that out of the way. I believe he is a good hockey player. 1, his size. He is too small to play the NHL game height wise and weight wise. I get that he is young but other young players are stronger at his age than he is. and with the size issue he will be punished for it in the playoffs when teams dump the puck into his corner and he gets hit. the puck doesn't always sit for you when trying to retrieve it and he will get hit by big tough nasty men. he will not be able to play D against ;larger forwards especially the ones in our Division 2. The ice surface he plays on today allows for him to wheel at that speed and do what he does. This will not be available to him in the NHL and he will find the side boards a little too close IMHO. 3. He does not have a lot of games at the elite level in the SHL to judge his play. He has 15 games listed this year in SHL and now playoffs. He did not score more than 1 assist in his first 15 games. 4. I believe there are bigger better D available to us in this draft and everyone here knows who I mean. I truly hope the lotto balls fall our way and make all this debate moot. If we get Dahlin i get the big defenseman i prefer. Size with skill. 6'2 with as much skill as Boqvist. If they dont go our way I am on the Bouchard train. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AC Readership Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 11 minutes ago, aGENT said: The 2nd pick is likely the only one I'd 100% take the forward over a D if I'm the Canucks (assuming we're picking somewhere between 1-5 depending on lotto). I could see Boqvist going before Zadina at 3, whether that's us or someone else. Only other spot would be Wahlstrom if both Boqvist and Hughes are gone but that would have to be 6th pick and unlikely both D would be gone by then. Never mind I don't think we're trending to have that low of a pick Gotta think positive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isam Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Alflives said: I’ll watch the Leafs, when they lose in round one, because they don’t play defence. I have no interest in speeding up the rebuild. I do believe our next core (especially the forwards) need to be of relatively similar ages. I think not having an elite D now in our system (I do have high hopes for Rathbone) means that next guy will be too young to fit in with our forwards unless he’s a Doughty talent. i think a 28 year old EK or Doughty would fit very nicely with our next core of forwards. To big of a price tag for those guys Alf. There is alot of good young d in this and next year's draft. We have the chance to build something special from the backend out. But on to a different topic, woo might be falling because of his injury this year. Please let it be so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyman109 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Just now, Isam said: To big of a price tag for those guys Alf. There is alot of good young d in this and next year's draft. We have the chance to build something special from the backend out. But on to a different topic, woo might be falling because of his injury this year. Please let it be so. Woo would be a great second rounder. After Dahlin.....Bouchard and Woo would make me happy on the back end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, Isam said: To big of a price tag for those guys Alf. There is alot of good young d in this and next year's draft. We have the chance to build something special from the backend out. But on to a different topic, woo might be falling because of his injury this year. Please let it be so. With our 2nd?! Yes please! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyman109 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 6 minutes ago, AC Readership said: Gotta take the forward, if you're unsure you trade down. I think you take whomever you have picked as the BPA. Benning hasnt always followed the NHL list of who is the BPA and he certainly hasn't followed CDC's list of the BPA Trading down is extremely risky unless you can get the other GM to tell you who they are picking... lol and even then they might pick your guy. Again top 5 is top 5 and whomever we pick i am sure we will get a great player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 5 minutes ago, Isam said: To big of a price tag for those guys Alf. There is alot of good young d in this and next year's draft. We have the chance to build something special from the backend out. But on to a different topic, woo might be falling because of his injury this year. Please let it be so. There are a lot of good D that are going to be available with early second round pick, That's why this idea that we NEED to pick a D with size regardless of who else is available is crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyman109 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Just now, ForsbergTheGreat said: There are a lot of good D that are going to be available with early second round pick, That's why this idea that we NEED to pick a D with size regardless of who else is available is crazy. No one is saying we need to take a D with Size regardless of who else is available. We do need this, if we end up picking away fro where one of the D is then fine. But if we have this need and a player that fits this mould is there we should pick him and Size is one of the parts of the game we should look at. Its not the only stat but it is an important one to succeed in the NHL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 18 minutes ago, Isam said: To big of a price tag for those guys Alf. There is alot of good young d in this and next year's draft. We have the chance to build something special from the backend out. But on to a different topic, woo might be falling because of his injury this year. Please let it be so. Who is Is falling? Woo? Great name! Draft this Woo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isam Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 25 minutes ago, mikeyman109 said: The reasons I have for not liking the pic of Boqvist are as follows. First off i dont dislike his skill set. I think he is a great skater and seems to possess a great shot. so lets get that out of the way. I believe he is a good hockey player. 1, his size. He is too small to play the NHL game height wise and weight wise. I get that he is young but other young players are stronger at his age than he is. and with the size issue he will be punished for it in the playoffs when teams dump the puck into his corner and he gets hit. the puck doesn't always sit for you when trying to retrieve it and he will get hit by big tough nasty men. he will not be able to play D against ;larger forwards especially the ones in our Division 2. The ice surface he plays on today allows for him to wheel at that speed and do what he does. This will not be available to him in the NHL and he will find the side boards a little too close IMHO. 3. He does not have a lot of games at the elite level in the SHL to judge his play. He has 15 games listed this year in SHL and now playoffs. He did not score more than 1 assist in his first 15 games. 4. I believe there are bigger better D available to us in this draft and everyone here knows who I mean. I truly hope the lotto balls fall our way and make all this debate moot. If we get Dahlin i get the big defenseman i prefer. Size with skill. 6'2 with as much skill as Boqvist. If they dont go our way I am on the Bouchard train. Size isn't an issue. Kids bro is six feet. Second, in best on best international play, he has outperformed Bouchard and held his own against teams like the big bad Americans and the Canadians when Sweden has played them without looking out of place. Thirdly, Swedish kids generally low minutes when they are up with the big club. It is more about long term development and practise then rushing kids in like we do over here. It rarely happens that a Swedish prospect or European prospect plays big minutes right away. It's actually quite the accomplishment. See Erik karlsson's blistering stats in the shl during his draft year. Or for that matter his d +1 season. Fourth, name one big defenseman consensusly ranked ahead of boqvist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyman109 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Ok I am going to try to approach this from a different perspective. I believe there is a definitive link between the size of defense and the success the team has in the NHL. Out of the top three teams in each division sitting in the playoff spots to day there is not one team that has more than one defense man under 6ft. Teams like Tampa, Winnipeg Philadelphia have huge D and one count it one player that plays the under 6 foot skating defenseman game. Coincidence. I don't think so. Size is important on D and we need to remember this. ,,, Crap Byfuglien goes off at 260 lbs and he doesn't seem to have any issues skating in the NHL. Size on D is about surviving the punishment the league throws at you especially in the playoffs. Size does matter when you are being hit in the corners retrieving the puck Tampa Boston Toronto Washington , Pittsburgh, Philadelphia Nashville Winnipeg, Minnesota Vegas, San Jose, LA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyman109 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, Isam said: Size isn't an issue. Kids bro is six feet. Second, in best on best international play, he has outperformed Bouchard and held his own against teams like the big bad Americans and the Canadians when Sweden has played them without looking out of place. Thirdly, Swedish kids generally low minutes when they are up with the big club. It is more about long term development and practise then rushing kids in like we do over here. It rarely happens that a Swedish prospect or European prospect plays big minutes right away. It's actually quite the accomplishment. See Erik karlsson's blistering stats in the shl during his draft year. Or for that matter his d +1 season. Fourth, name one big defenseman consensusly ranked ahead of boqvist. By whom? I am not saying he isnt ranked ahead of a few players I am saying his game will not translate as the others will. Dahlin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 5 minutes ago, mikeyman109 said: No one is saying we need to take a D with Size regardless of who else is available. We do need this, if we end up picking away fro where one of the D is then fine. But if we have this need and a player that fits this mould is there we should pick him and Size is one of the parts of the game we should look at. Its not the only stat but it is an important one to succeed in the NHL. Ok but here is what you're missing. We have a lot of needs, we need top 6 forwards with size, We need a number one center (assuming Pettersson stays on the wing), we need a top pairing D, left and right, we need a PMQB. We are a rebuilding team and the only two sure things we have is Horvat and Boeser. So right now we need the absolute best talent we can get, regardless of position, and size. That's the benefit of finishing so low in the standings. We can't afford to loose value on this pick. It's like someone offering a homeless person $10 bill and him saying no thanks on only need a $5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isam Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 12 minutes ago, Alflives said: Who is Is falling? Woo? Great name! Draft this Woo. His first name is jett. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Isam said: His first name is jett. That seals it. Jett Woo. Draft this guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyman109 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Just now, ForsbergTheGreat said: Ok but here is what you're missing. We have a lot of needs, we need top 6 forwards with size, We need a number one center (assuming Pettersson stays on the wing), we need a top pairing D, left and right, we need a PMQB. We are a rebuilding team and the only two sure things we have is Horvat and Boeser. So right now we need the absolute best talent we can get, regardless of position, and size. That's the benefit of finishing so low in the standings. We can't afford to loose value on this pick. It's like someone offering a homeless person $10 bill and him saying no thanks on only need a $5. I absolutely agree with you on we have many needs. Here is what YOU are missing This draft is showing to have the better D crop of the last 10 years. We need top 2 D more than anything else right now to develop before we get more forwards. it will take 4 years to get them to where they are peak. Forwards we can draft in any year. This d crop and those ranked higher in it are special.Even Noah Dobson is going to be a special D man at some point. Brady Tkachuck will be available with another name and number in another Draft, Dahlin, Boqvist Bouchard, Dobson, Wilde, Bahl Woo will not be there. Most drafts will look like the one we took Juolevi in. where we took him at 5 because he was the best D available in the draft This is why the D is most important this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 My only issue with taking Hughes/Boqvist is that it means without question that benning is fired within 2 years or less. Hughes/Boqvist will need 2 seasons + outside of the NHL like Juolevi and this fan base and media will not allow another pick that high to languish outside of the league without tearing the management group to shreds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isam Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, Alflives said: That seals it. Jett Woo. Draft this guy. If we could draft him and blade Jenkins, then we would have the all name team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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