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13 minutes ago, Isam said:

Size isn't an issue. Kids bro is six feet. 

 

Second, in best on best international play, he has outperformed Bouchard and held his own against teams like the big bad Americans and the Canadians when Sweden has played them without looking out of place.

 

Thirdly, Swedish kids generally low minutes when they are up with the big club. It is more about long term development and practise then rushing kids in like we do over here. It rarely happens that a Swedish prospect or European prospect plays big minutes right away. It's actually quite the accomplishment. See Erik karlsson's blistering stats in the shl during his draft year. Or for that matter his d +1 season.

 

Fourth, name one big defenseman consensusly ranked ahead of boqvist.

Never mind the 'less space on smaller ice' concern is also silly:

 

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...most of his best defensive work comes through the neutral zone, as there is a lot less time and space to work with, and it is in those moments that Boqvist shines. 

 

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Just now, Warhippy said:

My only issue with taking Hughes/Boqvist is that it means without question that benning is fired within 2 years or less.  Hughes/Boqvist will need 2 seasons + outside of the NHL like Juolevi and this fan base and media will not allow another pick that high to languish outside of the league without tearing the management group to shreds.

we are going to need at least 2 more seasons regardless of who we draft. Heck Connor Mc God got the Oilers one playoff year and they are still awful. We dont want that here do we? then maybe we could finish 25th in the league maybe bubble for a playoff and never get good because we always draft 15th?

I agree Hughes and Boqvist will need time and even my pick in Bouchard might need a couple seasons to develop . I am Ok with that.

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1 minute ago, Warhippy said:

My only issue with taking Hughes/Boqvist is that it means without question that benning is fired within 2 years or less.  Hughes/Boqvist will need 2 seasons + outside of the NHL like Juolevi and this fan base and media will not allow another pick that high to languish outside of the league without tearing the management group to shreds.

I sometimes wanna hit my head against some cement with some our fan base and media.

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1 minute ago, aGENT said:

Never mind the 'less space on smaller ice' concern is also silly:

 

 

I completely disagree. It is a realistic issue for smaller players. Players have to have Bure/Mogilny speed to be able to avoid it. And i dont see this kid in their League.

 

Agent you and I obviously do not agree on this pick, this kid or what the team needs most of all. I accept the fact that I will never change your mind as to what I believe is the biggest team need. Size with skill.

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5 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

My only issue with taking Hughes/Boqvist is that it means without question that benning is fired within 2 years or less.  Hughes/Boqvist will need 2 seasons + outside of the NHL like Juolevi and this fan base and media will not allow another pick that high to languish outside of the league without tearing the management group to shreds.

I don't think you can say that regardless of how idiotic some of our fans/media are :P

 

That said, winning the Dahlin lotto, would likely 'solve' a lot of the 'problems' people have with present management (AKA - get them to STFU........for about 5 minutes).

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I should reiterate that I have NO issue taking either one of the 3 D not named Dhalin as I have stated numerous times that I don't think we'll be a playoff bubble team/playoff competitive until 2020/2021 and that next year will most assuredly be another top 10 pick.  I do lean towards Bouchard though mostly because he's showing some incredible leadership skills plus his offensive accumen and on ice awareness is incredible.  We could use skilled meat and potatoes as much as we could skilled offense

 

But I actually like what benning is doing.  Ownership will probably not allow him more than 1 year with the endless backlash from hacks like Botchford and TSN radio.  Bouchard steps in almost immediately and possibly pairs again with OJ.  Hughes/Boqvist are still 1-2 years away

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2 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

My only issue with taking Hughes/Boqvist is that it means without question that benning is fired within 2 years or less.  Hughes/Boqvist will need 2 seasons + outside of the NHL like Juolevi and this fan base and media will not allow another pick that high to languish outside of the league without tearing the management group to shreds.

Not so sure.  In that time we'll see Pettersson, Gaudette, Dahlen, Demko, Juolevi, and likely Lind, Gadjovich, MacEwen and perhaps Brisebois or Chatfield on the roster.  There should be plenty enough capital there that the future of the team will be coming very much into focus.  If the majority of those prospects flame out then yes, the hot seat will become an ejection seat.

 

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this fan base and media will not allow another pick that high to languish outside of the league without tearing the management group to shreds

"Allow" what?  They "allow" nothing as it is, and make up stories when they run out of ammo (Triple-S, Demers, Gudbranson signing, etc.).  Big whoop, let 'em whinge -- they've been doing it all along anyway.  TL and JB don't give a crap.

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3 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

Ownership will probably not allow him more than 1 year with the endless backlash from hacks like Botchford and TSN radio.

Pretty sure by now even ownership doesn't care what those blowhards say.  If they do listen and heaven forbid, act upon it, then they deserve what they get in letting the loudmouth anti-Canuck TMZ-entertainment media dictate direction of the team.

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4 minutes ago, mikeyman109 said:

Ok I am going to try to approach this from a different perspective. I believe there is a definitive link between the size of defense and the success the team has in the NHL.

Out of the top three teams in each division sitting in the playoff spots to day there is not one team that has more than one defense man under 6ft.  Teams like Tampa, Winnipeg Philadelphia have huge D  and one count it one player that plays the under 6 foot skating defenseman game. Coincidence. I don't think so.

 

How many players make up the jets, bolts and flyers D core?  I'm going to give you a hint, it's more than one player.  Why do you think canucks drafting one highly skilled player who's currently under 6'0 is going to determine the outlook of size on our back end, are teams not aloud to have a player 6'0 or under on their roster?  

 

Winnipeg - Morrissey 6'0, Enstrom 5'10

Nashville - Ellis 5'10, Subban 6'0

Philadelphia - Gostisbehere 5'11, Gudas 6'0

Tampa - Stralman 5'11

Washington - Orlov 5'11, Djoos 6'0

Penguins - Letang 6'0

Bruins - McAvoy 6'0, Krug 5'9

 

 

4 minutes ago, mikeyman109 said:

Size is important on D and we need to remember this. ,,, Crap Byfuglien goes off at 260 lbs and he doesn't seem to have any issues skating in the NHL.

Size on D is about surviving the punishment the league throws at you  especially in the playoffs. Size does matter when you are being hit in the corners retrieving the puck

No one is saying size doesn't matter,  What people are saying is that the attribute of size can be found anywhere, it doesn't make sense to take the best pick we're going to have since the twins, and focus on one attribute.

 

This one player isn't going to define our D core, he's simply one player.  The wild have one of the highest scoring D cores in the league.  Dumba is 6'0 and Spurgeon our 5'9.  But the are paired with Suter 6'2 and brodin 6'1. Gudbranson is 6'5, Juolevi is 6'2, Tryamkin is 6'7, Brisebois is 6'3, Brassard is 6'2, We have a 2nd round pick, a 3rd round pick, a 5,6 & 7th round pick.  We have all our picks in 2019.  We can make trades, sign UFA's,  One player doesn't define a D core.

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1 minute ago, ForsbergTheGreat said:

 

How many players make up the jets, bolts and flyers D core?  I'm going to give you a hint, it's more than one player.  Why do you think canucks drafting one highly skilled player who's currently under 6'0 is going to determine the outlook of size on our back end, are teams not aloud to have a player 6'0 or under on their roster?  

 

Winnipeg - Morrissey 6'0, Enstrom 5'10

Nashville - Ellis 5'10, Subban 6'0

Philadelphia - Gostisbehere 5'11, Gudas 6'0

Tampa - Stralman 5'11

Washington - Orlov 5'11, Djoos 6'0

Penguins - Letang 6'0

Bruins - McAvoy 6'0, Krug 5'9

 

 

No one is saying size doesn't matter,  What people are saying is that the attribute of size can be found anywhere, it doesn't make sense to take the best pick we're going to have since the twins, and focus on one attribute.

 

This one player isn't going to define our D core, he's simply one player.  The wild have one of the highest scoring D cores in the league.  Dumba is 6'0 and Spurgeon our 5'9.  But the are paired with Suter 6'2 and brodin 6'1. Gudbranson is 6'5, Juolevi is 6'2, Tryamkin is 6'7, Brisebois is 6'3, Brassard is 6'2, We have a 2nd round pick, a 3rd round pick, a 5,6 & 7th round pick.  We have all our picks in 2019.  We can make trades, sign UFA's,  One player doesn't define a D core.

Height is not as important as weight, I think for the dman.  I don’t want us drafting light weight dmen, unless the guy has super elite skill. 

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2 minutes ago, ForsbergTheGreat said:

 

How many players make up the jets, bolts and flyers D core?  I'm going to give you a hint, it's more than one player.  Why do you think canucks drafting one highly skilled player who's currently under 6'0 is going to determine the outlook of size on our back end, are teams not aloud to have a player 6'0 or under on their roster?  

 

Winnipeg - Morrissey 6'0, Enstrom 5'10

Nashville - Ellis 5'10, Subban 6'0

Philadelphia - Gostisbehere 5'11, Gudas 6'0

Tampa - Stralman 5'11

Washington - Orlov 5'11, Djoos 6'0

Penguins - Letang 6'0

Bruins - McAvoy 6'0, Krug 5'9

 

 

No one is saying size doesn't matter,  What people are saying is that the attribute of size can be found anywhere, it doesn't make sense to take the best pick we're going to have since the twins, and focus on one attribute.

 

This one player isn't going to define our D core, he's simply one player.  The wild have one of the highest scoring D cores in the league.  Dumba is 6'0 and Spurgeon our 5'9.  But the are paired with Suter 6'2 and brodin 6'1. Gudbranson is 6'5, Juolevi is 6'2, Tryamkin is 6'7, Brisebois is 6'3, Brassard is 6'2, We have a 2nd round pick, a 3rd round pick, a 5,6 & 7th round pick.  We have all our picks in 2019.  We can make trades, sign UFA's,  One player doesn't define a D core.

Again you miss the point on drafting talent. We do not trade for a top 1-2 D. other teams need them to build around as well.

One player does not define our core but our core should define the D man we need.

Again quoting Dumba is 6 ft shows you didn't read the post as I said under 6 ft. there are lots of the teams I quoted who have players 6 ft 215 lbs. How many have Minny as their pick to win the cup this year?

Gudbranson is a 5-8 on any other team but Vancouver why do you think Florida traded him.He was injury prone there and he is injury prone here.

Tryamkin is not here and there is no reason to believe he will be at this point.

Brisebois, Brassard, Chatfield, etc etc did not get a call up in the NHL this year. Holm got one game and that was it before he was traded. there are no 1-2 D men in Utica at this time. Biega is the answer to the call up always.

Juloevi may be a 1-2 but we haven't seen that yet.

The best pick we are going to have this year. Its going to be more of the same next year until the tire fire of a back end is fixed. And it will take 4 years to develop them. starting now is the smart thing to do. Waiting until you have your future D core in place then trying to make it happen is ala Edmonton

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10 minutes ago, ForsbergTheGreat said:

 

How many players make up the jets, bolts and flyers D core?  I'm going to give you a hint, it's more than one player.  Why do you think canucks drafting one highly skilled player who's currently under 6'0 is going to determine the outlook of size on our back end, are teams not aloud to have a player 6'0 or under on their roster?  

 

Winnipeg - Morrissey 6'0, Enstrom 5'10

Nashville - Ellis 5'10, Subban 6'0

Philadelphia - Gostisbehere 5'11, Gudas 6'0

Tampa - Stralman 5'11

Washington - Orlov 5'11, Djoos 6'0

Penguins - Letang 6'0

Bruins - McAvoy 6'0, Krug 5'9

 

 

No one is saying size doesn't matter,  What people are saying is that the attribute of size can be found anywhere, it doesn't make sense to take the best pick we're going to have since the twins, and focus on one attribute.

 

This one player isn't going to define our D core, he's simply one player.  The wild have one of the highest scoring D cores in the league.  Dumba is 6'0 and Spurgeon our 5'9.  But the are paired with Suter 6'2 and brodin 6'1. Gudbranson is 6'5, Juolevi is 6'2, Tryamkin is 6'7, Brisebois is 6'3, Brassard is 6'2, We have a 2nd round pick, a 3rd round pick, a 5,6 & 7th round pick.  We have all our picks in 2019.  We can make trades, sign UFA's,  One player doesn't define a D core.

If he wants some size with some skill then he can pick one of the sammuelsons in round two or three. Hell, wouldn't mind picking the six foot four 240 pound Adam sammuelson in the mid rounds.

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29 minutes ago, mikeyman109 said:

I absolutely agree with you on we have many needs. Here is what YOU are missing

This draft is showing to have the better D crop of the last 10 years. We need top 2 D more than anything else right now to develop before we get more forwards. it will take 4 years to get them to where they are peak.

All prospect typically take 3-4 years.  

 

 

29 minutes ago, mikeyman109 said:

Forwards we can draft in any year. This d crop and those ranked higher in it are special. Even Noah Dobson is going to be a special D man at some point. Brady Tkachuck will be available with another name and number in another Draft, Dahlin, Boqvist Bouchard, Dobson, Wilde, Bahl Woo will not be there.

I completely disagree.  They are good prospects, but you're buying into the hype a little to much.  What makes Dobson, Wilde, Smith more special than Foote, Valimaki, Brannstrom?  Or Sergachev, Bean, McAvoy, Chychrun? Nothing.  

 

The biggest difference is this year has "more", not necessarily better, that's why is considered a "deep" draft.   

 

 

 

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1 minute ago, Isam said:

If he wants some size with some skill then he can pick one of the nd in round two or three. Hell, wouldn't mind picking the six foot four 240 pound Adam sammuelson in the mid rounds.

Its not just size but it has to improve. Again there are teams that have smaller D but most of them have 1. one defenseman under 6 ft. And the fact that if you look at the rest of the D line up in some of the replies like Tampa. Philly Winnipeg etc that one d man is surrounded by Huge tree trunks at over 6-3. I am nt saying you cant have a smaller d man , you just need to limit that to one and surround him with other D that are huge.

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Just now, ForsbergTheGreat said:

All prospect typically take 3-4 years.  completely agree here , Im not arguing this.

 

 

I completely disagree.  They are good prospects, but you're buying into the hype a little to much.  What makes Dobson, Wilde, Smith more special than Foote, Valimaki, Brannstrom?  Or Sergachev, Bean, McAvoy, Chychrun? Nothing.  

 

The biggest difference is this year has "more", not necessarily better, that's why is considered a "deep" draft.   

 

 

 

I believe the difference is the players listed here by you are not Dahlin, Boqvist Bouchard special. I dont buy into the Hype or i wouldnt  be saying pick D over Svech and Zadina

 or Bouchard over Boqvist

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3 minutes ago, Isam said:

Like him too man. What do you think of denisenko?

Do you feel at all the KHL: becomes a bargainig chip in negotiations?

My fear of the Russian players isn't only that they will go back to the KHL like Tryamkin when they are pushed to play better or a certain way its the threat of it when negotiating that will leave us in cap trouble paying this player more than we should. Your thoughts?

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5 minutes ago, mikeyman109 said:

Again you miss the point on drafting talent. We do not trade for a top 1-2 D. other teams need them to build around as well.

One player does not define our core but our core should define the D man we need.

Yes, we need the best talent we can find.  Not the biggest D we can find.     

 

5 minutes ago, mikeyman109 said:

Again quoting Dumba is 6 ft shows you didn't read the post as I said under 6 ft.

Dumba was drafted at 5'9.  You see these are 18 year old kids,  Most of them aren't fully grown.  If Boqvist grows another 2cm in the next 4 months are you going completely change your tune about him?  

 

Should the bruins have taken Fabbro over McAvoy because he was 2 inches smaller.  I'm sorry but this is getting ridiculous,  ONE player on your D core doesn't define it.  If we take Boqvis, he likely reaches 6'0 and we pair him with Juolevi who's 6'2, is that the end of the world?  Sounds like a exciting top pairing to me.

 

 

 

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