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15 minutes ago, .Naslund said:

Of course I do. A potential 60-80 point winger is far less valuable than a 50-70 point offensive defenceman imo

I'm not arguing that. Your choice for top 4 is exactly what's going to happen. Your only change is putting Boqvist in front of Zadina. Instead of putting the first 2 down (the two locks to go #1 &#2) just say you like a Boqvist over Zadina. I would agree with your choice. 

 

Im just being cheeky, no harm^_^

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This off season will be quite exciting if JB is able to trade someone like Tanev to get an additional first round pick. That could net us a good D prospect along with the possibility to pick another D prospect with the extra 1st rounder. So many D available in the first round.

 

Hopefully we actually get some luck this year with where we pick!!

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23 hours ago, mikeyman109 said:

what i am utterly devoid of is seeing how this tire fire turns into a serviceable NHL defense group

Well we're last in the Western Conference for Goals against. Hard to argue we're a good defensive team?

 

Without checking, pretty sure we're also worst in NHL for goals by D?

 

It's not a pretty picture. But we are not devoid of pieces altogether. Tanev may be too old by the time we become competitive again? But can help us transition. Our top 4 D assets in a medium time frame;

 

Tanev is 28, a serviceable 2D ideal 3D.

Guddy is 26 is a top end 5 D, serviceable 3D who can also play up the lineup with a good partner.

Stecher is 24, another fantastic 5 D, maligned because he often plays 2D.  Also our fastest D which makes him important.

Juolevi is 20, appears headed for a 2 D role?

 

Really, if we had an a 22 year old in that list, we might have a good succession plan? If not a good starting point. We also have Pouliot, 24, who has all the tools. Admittedly a question mark! But can work his way into the picture? At worst to carry us over... Hutton a placeholder, Edler a trade chip next year coming to UFA.  Just like Benning traded for Granlund, Baer, Leipsec & Pouliot as they became waiver eligible?  I think you will see one, or two more attempts to find a D aged inbetween Juolevi & Stecher.  Possibly in an Edler / Tanev trade? That covers age gaps, but not our league worst goals for by the D core?

 

Which is why this draft, with dynamic speed and skill from the back end is an opportunity? As is integrating Juolevi, who proved in Finland & London he can spring forwards like Petterson & Boeser for transition goals! A key point that extra speed & talent up front will mean several of our D become more productive by default. But Juolevi looked special with Laine / Aho / Puli & Marner / Dvorak / Tkachuk.  Two, Juolevi & a draft pick this year as top 3 D with skill, plus Stecher as a depth PMD should go a long way to increasing our output from the back end!

 

People keep uttering HOW BIG Tampa's D are!  OMGZ! :frantic: blam on your face, their too big... ^%$#* It important to note, like us acquiring Guddy, Tree, they have been acquiring low cost big men who can skate. Then building their system around it for years! Yes they have Hedman, but the balance of big D are ALL money puck acquisition, or draft and develop stories. They are match up bodies, who can joust with Ovi & Kreider, pass the puck out of the zone. And Toronto, with Luke Schenn, has already demonstrated that drafting D simply because they are big is a bad idea.  But in any case, we already have Brisbois as a potential Tampa style D, Gudbranson in place, Tree may come back, and we could pick a Jett Woo in the 2knd round?   Gunnarsson was drafted on that mould. Really we should be drafting 1 big D EVERY year, even at a depth spot, maybe two? Tampa does EVERY year, hence them having a supply chain! The point is we only need a body to arrive & they are not always expensive, then not miss a cycle again, in the topic of match up D?

 

 To me we are two pieces away?  The hard one; that top pairing guy who can not be guarded or stopped! And another big match up Top 4D.  Then we need to make it sustainable by drafting an ongoing supply chain!

 

It is not as obvious as at forward, I agree, but the transition has started!

 

 

 

 

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Where is @Alf?  

 

Speaking of plug and play to fill the gap...

 

Andrej Sustr, all 6'7'' of him, 220lbs & he can skate will be UFA this summer.  Bet he could be had under $3 mill?  For 3 years or under...

 

Would be a very similar style sugning to MDZ & Vanek. That will buy us some time to get Tryamkin back. Integrate Brisbois, make room to trade Edler, Draft some depth D... 

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2 hours ago, Camel Toe Drag said:

I'm not arguing that. Your choice for top 4 is exactly what's going to happen. Your only change is putting Boqvist in front of Zadina. Instead of putting the first 2 down (the two locks to go #1 &#2) just say you like a Boqvist over Zadina. I would agree with your choice. 

 

Im just being cheeky, no harm^_^

Lol yeah I tend to not be so concise at times hahaha. I also am hoping that if I say it enough (getting a top 2 pick is possible) that it may actually happen XD

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Again, just copying and  pasting the top 10 of his mock draft.


1 Arizona - Rasmus Dahlin
Frolunda, SHL

Dahlin is so good, he manages to make the term “general talent” not sound so cliche. His playmaking ability from the back end should inject excitement into a franchise that could use it.

2 Buffalo- Andrei Svechnikov
Barrie Colts, OHL

With the clock ticking on Alex Nylander, the Sabres can dive right in and select the draft’s best pure goal scorer. Svechnikov is a beast on skates who can kill penalties and make goalies pay for showing the smallest of openings.

3 Ottawa - Adam Boqvist
Brynas J20, Superelit

The Sens might seem crazy to pass on Filip Zadina, especially with Thomas Chabot’s promising rookie season. But Boqvist would be in the discussion for first overall had it not been for Dahlin grabbing all the headlines. He’s a fantastic offensive defenseman with a blistering shot who’s shown an improving defensive game.

4 Vancouver - Filip Zadina
Halifax Mooseheads, QMJHL

The Canucks on paper look set on the flanks, but there’s simply no way you pass on the best player available regardless of what the team needs or has a surplus of. Zadina has all-star potential and is a hard competitor in all three zones.

5 Edmonton - Oliver Wahlstrom
U.S. U18, NTDP

Wahlstrom knows how to finish and possesses one of the best shots among draft prospects. He plays a fearless, blood-and-guts style in all three zones but also can excel in open ice and make jaw-dropping plays. His ability to compliment the McDavid-esque style of 2019 draft stud Jack Hughes and finish on the power play makes selecting this power winger an easy choice.

6 Montreal - Brady Tkachuk
Boston Univ., Hockey East

The Canadiens may need a star defenseman, but they also could use a talented playmaker like Tkachuk who fights tooth and nail to create or finish plays. His effort and leadership are infectious, and he’s capable of playing and producing in a top-line role.

7 Detroit- Quinn Hughes
Michigan Wolverines, Big-10

Detroit should finish the season with four of the first 38 picks in a very deep draft, and they keep it local with their initial selection by securing this elte offensive defenseman. Hughes is having a strong freshman year at Michigan and is second in the nation in first-year defense scoring.

8 NYR- Joel Farabee
U.S. U18, NTDP

Rangers look like they’re loading up on strong, character types, but few in this draft can provide both in addition to having speed and strong playmaking skills. A Syracuse native, Farabee plays a similar game to Claude Giroux in that he has an excellent shot to compliment his elite vision.

9 Chicago- Joe Veleno
Drummondville Voltigeurs

Veleno is a 200-foot player who anchors Drummondville’s top power play and penalty-killing units, and their special teams have improved exponentially since the trade from Saint John. He’s an excellent skater who can make plays in tight spaces or off the rush.

10 NYI- Ty Smith
Spokane Chiefs, WHL

Smith is the cream of one of the thinnest crops of WHL-trained draft prospects. But don’t for a second think that its the reason why he stands out — Smith is a dynamic puck mover with veteran-like maturity and the ability to anchor a top pairing in any critical situation.

 

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3 hours ago, Canuck Surfer said:

Well we're last in the Western Conference for Goals against. Hard to argue we're a good defensive team?

 

Without checking, pretty sure we're also worst in NHL for goals by D?

 

It's not a pretty picture. But we are not devoid of pieces altogether. Tanev may be too old by the time we become competitive again? But can help us transition. Our top 4 D assets in a medium time frame;

 

Tanev is 28, a serviceable 2D ideal 3D.

Guddy is 26 is a top end 5 D, serviceable 3D who can also play up the lineup with a good partner.

Stecher is 24, another fantastic 5 D, maligned because he often plays 2D.  Also our fastest D which makes him important.

Juolevi is 20, appears headed for a 2 D role?

 

Really, if we had an a 22 year old in that list, we might have a good succession plan? If not a good starting point. We also have Pouliot, 24, who has all the tools. Admittedly a question mark! But can work his way into the picture? At worst to carry us over... Hutton a placeholder, Edler a trade chip next year coming to UFA.  Just like Benning traded for Granlund, Baer, Leipsec & Pouliot as they became waiver eligible?  I think you will see one, or two more attempts to find a D aged inbetween Juolevi & Stecher.  Possibly in an Edler / Tanev trade? That covers age gaps, but not our league worst goals for by the D core?

 

Which is why this draft, with dynamic speed and skill from the back end is an opportunity? As is integrating Juolevi, who proved in Finland & London he can spring forwards like Petterson & Boeser for transition goals! A key point that extra speed & talent up front will mean several of our D become more productive by default. But Juolevi looked special with Laine / Aho / Puli & Marner / Dvorak / Tkachuk.  Two, Juolevi & a draft pick this year as top 3 D with skill, plus Stecher as a depth PMD should go a long way to increasing our output from the back end!

 

People keep uttering HOW BIG Tampa's D are!  OMGZ! :frantic: blam on your face, their too big... ^%$#* It important to note, like us acquiring Guddy, Tree, they have been acquiring low cost big men who can skate. Then building their system around it for years! Yes they have Hedman, but the balance of big D are ALL money puck acquisition, or draft and develop stories. They are match up bodies, who can joust with Ovi & Kreider, pass the puck out of the zone. And Toronto, with Luke Schenn, has already demonstrated that drafting D simply because they are big is a bad idea.  But in any case, we already have Brisbois as a potential Tampa style D, Gudbranson in place, Tree may come back, and we could pick a Jett Woo in the 2knd round?   Gunnarsson was drafted on that mould. Really we should be drafting 1 big D EVERY year, even at a depth spot, maybe two? Tampa does EVERY year, hence them having a supply chain! The point is we only need a body to arrive & they are not always expensive, then not miss a cycle again, in the topic of match up D?

 

 To me we are two pieces away?  The hard one; that top pairing guy who can not be guarded or stopped! And another big match up Top 4D.  Then we need to make it sustainable by drafting an ongoing supply chain!

 

It is not as obvious as at forward, I agree, but the transition has started!

 

 

 

 

I agree with a lot of what you say here

the one point i would argue is Tampas D. actually its not just Tampas D, Its Winnipegs D, its Phillys D Its Bostons D minus Krug, its San Joses D  all the playoff teams at this point have D that are large and in charge. They all have one factor in common, big D that can skate and pass the puck. the issue i have with trying to trade for top end D is that they will want the Horvats or the Boesers in return and thats too high of a price to pay for something we can draft ourselves.Trying to re tread Throwaway from other teams is like going through the garbage hoping to find a winning lottery ticket.

 

I dont disagree Tanev is a serviceable 2 d if he stays healthy and still he will not be here in 4 years most likely like you said, but he has the worst injury luck i have ever seen

 

Stecher i love this kid. if he is the only D player that plays this game on our team I am in, but then lets surround him with some more D that can push the other team around.

 

Guddy I am not sure he is ever going to reach his potential, injury prone in Florida, injury prone in Vancouver. and even when he does play he is very inconsistent.

 

I think Edler is almost done. this contract is up end of next season and that might be it. with his NMC he will not waive it and will probably expect another NMC to resign here.

 

Tryamkin is a great prospect but until he matures enough to be away from home we wont see him here. and if he is challenged on his play effort or anything else he will pack up and go home.

 

Juolevi may be a good top 4 and thats a good thing we need him to be.

 

I dont believe we have much in Utica as they have not called up any of these players when we have had injury to give them a look. its always Biega and Holm got one game before being shipped out to Vegas.

 

All of that said We know we need more D top end D. we will get it in this draft hopefully. I believe in Bennings ability to judge Junior talent and whatever player they take will be fine. I would prefer bigger D men but whomever he sees as the best fit for the team is good with me.

The transition may have started but its a long way from being done on D, I respect your thoughts though

 

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1 hour ago, mikeyman109 said:

I agree with a lot of what you say here

the one point i would argue is Tampas D. actually its not just Tampas D, Its Winnipegs D, its Phillys D Its Bostons D minus Krug, its San Joses D  all the playoff teams at this point have D that are large and in charge. They all have one factor in common, big D that can skate and pass the puck. 

 

Boston has McAvoy who is only 6'0, and Krug who's 5'9.  Philly has ghost who's 5'11, Pred's have Subban who's 6'0 and Ellis who's 5'11,  Jets have Morrissey who's 6'0 and Enstrom who's 5'11, Wild have Dumba who's 6'0 and Spurgeon who's 5'9.   Do those teams also have some big D? Yes but that doesn't mean their smaller skilled D aren't valuable pieces to them.  It also doesn't mean we Us taking Boqvist who likely reaches 6'0 at smallest doesn't mean we are a small D core.   

 

Bouchard is the same size of Juolevi, just under 6'2, it's not like he's Chara who's 6'9, it's not like he's Hedman who's 6'6, and it's not like he's Burns 6'5,.  Us drafting a skilled D, doesn't mean we can't also have some other D large and in charge.  You're so focussed on thinking this pick determines what the D core looks like, when in fact it's one piece, one player with potential to be our top 4.    

 

 

 

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Bob McKenzie

 

https://www.tsn.ca/template-welcome-to-the-rasmus-dahlin-draft-1.979722

 

 

 

THE TOP 80

 
 
RK PLAYER TEAM POS HT WT GP G P
1 Rasmus Dahlin Frolunda (SHL) D 6'2 181 31 6 14
2 Andrei Svechnikov Barrie (OHL) RW 6'1 ½ 188 24 19 32
3 Filip Zadina Halifax (QMJHL) RW 6'0 198 38 27 53
4 Brady Tkachuk Boston U (NCAA) LW 6'2 194 24 5 18
5 Adam Boqvist Brynäs (SWE J20) D 5'10 ¾ 168 20 12 19
6 Quinn Hughes Michigan (NCAA) D 5'9  167 21 1 14
7 Evan Bouchard London (OHL) D 6'1 ½ 190 45 15 54
8 Noah Dobson A-Bathurst (QMJHL) D 6'2 ½ 178 46 10 47
9 Oliver Wahlstrom USA NTDP (USHL) C 6'0 ¾ 195 34 26 45
10 Ty Smith Spokane (WHL) D 5'10 ¼ 176 46 6 44
11 Ryan Merkley Guelph (OHL) D 5'11 170 44 11 52
12 Barrett Hayton S.S. Marie (OHL) C 6'1 186 44 17 42
13 Rasmus Kupari Kärpät (SM Liiga) C 6'1 ¼ 183 24 4 6
14 Bode Wilde USA NTDP (USHL) D 6'2 ½ 197 34 5 21
15 Joe Veleno Drummondville (QMJHL) C 6'1 195 41 8 38
16 Joel Farabee USA NTDP (USHL) LW 5'11 152 34 17 40
17 Ryan McLeod Mississuaga (OHL) C/LW 6'2 190 45 15 50
18 Jared McIsaac Halifax (QMJHL) D 6'1 195 45 5 26
19 Jesperi Kotkaniemi Ässät (SM Liiga) C 6'1 ½ 188 45 8 22
20 Isac Lundestrom Luleå (SHL) C/LW 5'11 ¼ 178 28 3 10
21 Grigori Denisenko Yaroslavl (MHL) LW 5'11 163 23 4 14
22 Serron Noel Oshawa (OHL) RW 6'4 200 40 17 34
23 Jacob Olofsson Timra (SWE-Als) C 6'2 185 32 8 18
24 Mattias Samuelsson USA NTDP (USHL) D 6'3 ¼ 209 30 6 15
25 Dominik Bokk Vaxjo (SuperElit) LW/RW 6'1 179 23 11 29
26 Jack McBain Toronto (OJHL) C 6'3 ¼ 196 41 19 49
27 Jett Woo Moose Jaw (WHL) D 5'11 ¾ 205 30 8 23
28 Benoît-Olivier Groulx Halifax (QMJHL) C 6'0 ¾ 192 47 19 35
29 Akil Thomas Niagara (OHL) RW 5'11 169 44 12 50
30 Martin Kaut Pardubice (CZE Extra) RW 6'1 ½ 176 28 4 7
31 Alexander Alexeyev Red Deer (WHL) D 6'3 ½ 184 37 6 31
32 Calen Addison Lethbridge (WHL) D 5'9 ¾ 179 46 7 47
33 K'Andre Miller USA NTDP (USHL) D 6'3 ½ 194 34 6 17
34 Rasmus Sandin S.S. Marie (OHL) D 5'10 ¾ 183 32 5 28
35 Jakub Lauko Chomutov (CZE Extra) LW 6'0 169 32 2 5
36 Jesse Ylonen Espoo (FIN) RW 5'11 ¾ 160 34 11 19
37 Kevin Bahl Ottawa (OHL) D 6'5 ¾ 225 45 1 14
38 Jonathon Tychonick Penticton (BCHL) D 5'11 ¼ 166 35 8 26
39 Vitali Kravtsov Chelyabinsk (KHL) RW 6'2 170 33 3 6
40 Adam Ginning Linköping (SHL) D 6'2 ¾ 196 19 0 0
41 Ty Dellandrea Flint (OHL) C/RW 5'11 ¾ 180 44 17 35
42 Sampo Ranta Sioux City (UHSL) RW 6'0 ¾ 192 26 9 15
43 Jay O'Brien Thayer (USHS) C 6'0 175 N/A N/A N/A
44 Filip Johansson Leksands (SWE J20) D 6'0 ½ 174 25 4 6
45 Jacob Bernard-Docker Okotoks (AJHL) D 6'0 181 36 14 29
46 Nico Gross Oshawa (OHL) D 5'11 ¾ 183 36 4 10
47 Stanislav Demin Wenatchee (BCHL) D 6'2 190 44 8 36
48 Allan McShane Oshawa (OHL) C 5'10 ½ 190 45 10 36
49 Filip Hallander Timra (SWE-Als) C/LW 6'0 178 35 8 19
50 Nando Eggenberger Davos (SUI NLA) LW/RW 6'2 185 29 3 5
51 Blake McLaughlin Chicago (USHL) LW 5'11 156 27 17 36
52 Jan Jenik Benatky (CZE2) RW 6'1 161 26 3 8
53 Tyler Madden Tri-City (USHL) C/RW 5'10 152 27 11 20
54 Jonatan Berggren Skellefteå (SWE J20) LW 5'10 181 26 13 34
55 Riley Sutter Everett (WHL) C 6'2 ¾ 202 45 20 37
56 Cameron Hillis Guelph (OHL) C 5'9 ½ 168 44 17 40
57 Curtis Hall Youngstown (USHL) C 6'2 194 28 11 20
58 Albin Eriksson Skellefteå (SWE J20) LW 6'4 ¼ 207 24 13 26
59 David Gustafsson HV 71 (SHL) C 5'11 ½ 196 30 2 3
60 Martin Fehervary Oskarshamn (SWE-Als) D 6'1 190 27 1 6
61 Ty Emberson USA NTDP (USHL) D 6'1 194 33 3 14
62 Alexander Khovanov Moncton (QMJHL) C 5'11 187 12 1 7
63 Kody Clark Ottawa (OHL) RW 6'0 ¾ 172 38 16 33
64 Jacob Pivonka USA NTDP (USHL) C 5'11 198 31 8 16
65 Sean Durzi Owen Sound (OHL) D 5'11 ½ 195 37 15 47
66 Oskar Back Färjestads (SWE J20) C 6'2 ¼ 192 28 4 18
67 Giovanni Vallati Kitchener (OHL) D 6'1 176 44 3 20
68 Jake Wise USA NTDP (USHL) C 5'9 ¾ 185 10 1 9
69 Gabriel Fortier Baie Comeau (QMJHL) LW 5'9 164 45 16 37
70 Nicolas Beaudin Drummondville (QMJHL) D 5'10 ½ 175 45 10 41
71 Nathan Dunkley London (OHL) C 5'11 192 39 15 38
72 Philipp Kurashev Quebec (QMJHL) RW 5'11 ½ 181 42 11 41
73 Merrick Rippon Ottawa (OHL) D 6'0 191 45 2 17
74 Axel Andersson Djurgarden (SWE J20) D 5'11 ¾ 178 30 3 25
75 Anderson MacDonald Moncton (QMJHL) LW 6'1 ½ 205 43 24 37
76 Carter Robertson Ottawa (OHL) D 6'2 178 34 3 10
77 Tyler Weiss USA NTDP (USHL) C/LW 5'10 ¼ 158 34 5 18
78 Blade Jenkins Saginaw (OHL) LW 6'1 195 44 15 30
79 Xavier Bernard Drummondville (QMJHL) D 6'2 ½ 208 43 10 27
80 Lenni Killinen Blues Jr. (Jr. SM Liiga) RW 6'2 180 34 12 38
 

 

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The biggest takeaway on the list is Zadina at 200 pounds?  At 6 foot even? 

 

He absolutely flies on the ice and his east west is equally as fast and nimble as his north south.

 

By age 28 you could easily see him at 225 pounds or more without much of a drop in skating ability.

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The best part of finishing low is your 2nd round pick being in the 32-35th range where you should get a very good prospect. Guy's like Bokk, Woo, Kravstov, Alexeyev, Miller, Foudy etc

 

The team might legitimately finish dead last which would guarantee one of Dahlin/Svech/Zadina/Boqvist

 

Draft lottery can't come soon enough

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14 hours ago, aGENT said:

Edler also has an NTC, seemingly no desire to waive and lower trade value if either of those problems were to be solved.

 

Also our depth at left D isn't presently of the 23+ minute variety. I'd not be remotely shocked to see him extended honestly. 

 

But if not, both should be moved at some point in the next couple years. This isn't an Edler vs Tanev situation.

 

Who says I want to keep Tanev? Imo, you move him for a good, early 20's D prospect and a 1st. Not another guy who will also be exiting his prime by the time we're a contender again. 

 

Besides, Nashville is about the last team to need Tanev. 

Ellis will only be 30-32 when we will be contenders. Still a lot of mileage to give at that age. 

 

Plus, Ellis adds something we lack in our back end since Erhroff, an elite puck moving defensemen.

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