73 Percent Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 5 minutes ago, Rush17 said: If it wasn't the Rasmus draft with a potential generational D I have a feeling Boqvists would be #1 D prospect. This draft kind of hides him with the Tkchauk pedigree, early hype of scevsiktov, and the brilliance of Zadina at the WJC and top prospects game. Then we got Quinton Hughes out performing Makar in the NCAA destroying that league and Bouchard who has 3 assists at the top prospects game who reportedly isn't engaged and is giving prime o zone opprotunities and 2 minutes of PP time. I'm glad Jim is in charge. Character and compete are 2 important factors for Jim. I can see him passing on Bouchard if he's not convinced he can be consistent and focused. I can see Bouchard playing in the NHL sooner rather than later. I want to like Bouchard but one of the thing that scares me is the lack of quality nhl defenseman that the knights produce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rush17 Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 3 minutes ago, 73 Percent said: I want to like Bouchard but one of the thing that scares me is the lack of quality nhl defenseman that the knights produce. Maata is probably their best in the last decade right? Olli is their hope at improvement. The book isn't written on Olli yet he's still 19. But ya that's a concern. I still see us drafting Zadina unless we get Rasmus. I don't know how I am supposed to feel about that lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, Rush17 said: Maata is probably their best in the last decade right? Olli is their hope at improvement. The book isn't written on Olli yet he's still 19. But ya that's a concern. I still see us drafting Zadina unless we get Rasmus. I don't know how I am supposed to feel about that lol Funny thing about Juolevi is even if he pans out we'd probably thank Salo and the Liiga for that more than London. Lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 35 minutes ago, Rush17 said: I believe Jim has them ranked: 1) Rasmus Dahlin 2) Phillip Zadina 3) Adam Boqvist 4) Evan Bouchard 5) A Svechnikov 6) Dobson 7) Walstrom Maybe I'm hyping Boqvist to high. Brady T seems more of a character guy then Mathew T. What would CDC say if Jim took Walstrom in the top 5? Lol watch it be the pick of the draft. How do have Svechnikov at 5. Kids put up 40 goals in 44 games and put himself in elite category of goals per game. And finished he season off with a 24 game point streak ending with 72 points in 44 games. if anything he’s solidified himself clearly as the number 2 lock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharbinder Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 On 3/17/2018 at 11:41 AM, Brobidus said: What are some RHD that we could target in the 2nd/3rd rounds? I want to have a list of all the guys we could get. - Jett Woo (could be a faller) - Calen Addison (could be a faller) - Jacob Bernard - Sean Durzi - Xavier Bouchard Who am I missing? - Alec Regula Matt Dumba was just mentioned (more about size, but regardless). He is the type of player that would look great on this blueline. Basically plans like Biega, but in a bigger frame & with consistency. And why I say that is because, Jett Woo plays like a Dumba clone. IF he somehow gets to our 2nd due to an injury plagued season, that is a player they should target. Already 6'0" & 200lbs RHD, plays with an edge & loves to hit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Rocket Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 14 minutes ago, ForsbergTheGreat said: How do have Svechnikov at 5. Kids put up 40 goals in 44 games and put himself in elite category of goals per game. And finished he season off with a 24 game point streak ending with 72 points in 44 games. if anything he’s solidified himself clearly as the number 2 lock. Interestingly, one player I found who had similar numbers to Svechnikov is Brandon Convery. Scored 40 goals in 44 games in his draft year (though he had 5 fewer assists than svech) then he was taken 8th overall by Toronto. He bounced back and forth between the AHL and the NHL for a number of years (including 17 games for the Canucks) before finding himself in Europe putting up very underwhelming numbers. I definitely think svechnikov will be better than this, but honestly point production in Junior doesn’t really mean to much. The skill level in those leagues is so varied that you can pickup a lot of points if you’re playing a weaker team or getting favourable matchups. That’s why so many CHL stars never make it in the NHL. You really have to watch the players game to know if it will translate to a higher level. From everything I’ve heard, Svech will have no problem going to the NHL, but just looking at his goals per game doesn’t necessarily tell the whole story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rush17 Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 19 minutes ago, ForsbergTheGreat said: How do have Svechnikov at 5. Kids put up 40 goals in 44 games and put himself in elite category of goals per game. And finished he season off with a 24 game point streak ending with 72 points in 44 games. if anything he’s solidified himself clearly as the number 2 lock. The Russian factor. Tryamkin bailed. Having a 2nd overall sniper leave to the khl would mark the end of Jim's tenure. nischuken dropped because of that some argue. He ended up bolting so the concern was real. I don't know this kid tho maybe he's like Goldobin and willing to put up with coaches not giving them everything. He gets all he wants in jr because hes their best player. I like Svechnikov but I don't see Jim taking a shot at #2. At pick #4 sure I can see that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rush17 Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 3 minutes ago, Canadian Clay said: Interestingly, one player I found who had similar numbers to Svechnikov is Brandon Convery. Scored 40 goals in 44 games in his draft year (though he had 5 fewer assists than svech) then he was taken 8th overall by Toronto. He bounced back and forth between the AHL and the NHL for a number of years (including 17 games for the Canucks) before finding himself in Europe putting up very underwhelming numbers. I definitely think svechnikov will be better than this, but honestly point production in Junior doesn’t really mean to much. The skill level in those leagues is so varied that you can pickup a lot of points if you’re playing a weaker team or getting favourable matchups. That’s why so many CHL stars never make it in the NHL. You really have to watch the players game to know if it will translate to a higher level. From everything I’ve heard, Svech will have no problem going to the NHL, but just looking at his goals per game doesn’t necessarily tell the whole story. The one thing I liked about Svechnikov vs Zadina.. is Svechnikov goes to the dirty areas to score. someone posted a graphics of their goal scoring locations. Zadina stayed out of the paint and more to the perminater. Svechnikov goes to all areas of the ice to score. That's more translable I would think. But would he be willing to do that vs some of the big NHL blueliners? You need a guy who can go to the paint or in close when the playoffs start and you really pay through price to get near the net. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyman109 Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 10 hours ago, dura_mater said: Fair enough if you ignore him for being misquoted. But keep in mind you're kind of doing the same to me as I've never once said take Boqvist specifically, I want them to take the best d man; regardless of size. If the scouts are ranking Boqvist ahead of Bouchard etc then clearly the professionals don't see his size as being an issue. I don't ignore anyone who wants to have a reasonable discussion trying to see where the other person is coming from. Size was not the only point of difference i made, it was just the bigger one. Both Boqvist and Bouchard are capable offensive players. I continue to claim i have not seen enough game from Boqvist to establish consistency in his game. Bouchard is leading his team in scoring and has a better points per game than Boqvist, regardless if they came 5 on 5 or on the power play. Im sure Daniel and Hanks stats have been helped by their power play time this year as well. I offer up examples to try to prove my point and i am told they are not enough to sway opinion on the difference between the two. I am told Boqvist is a right shot and so is Bouchard. i am told that Boqvist will grow and put on weight, Bouchard will do the same will he not? So at 6'2 190 today he might play at 6'4 225? He has a better points per game than Boqvist does. He has a better assist ratio as he makes other players around him better. He has intangibles as well like being a captain of his team , like playing with Juolevi. His first pass is incredible at springing other players. Bouchard has also improved so much over the last 20 games he is inconsideration for player of the year in the OHL. Watching them both i think they are both good players. i have seen the highlights of both and been able to watch more of Bouchard than Boqvist obviously because one is in Europe and one is in Canada. Given that both players possess skill sets to run not only a power play but to be offensively proficient, i choose to pick the bigger Canadian kid because he is bigger, has a bigger frame to put more weight on. He will be stronger thus more efficient in his own end and will be able to survive the playoff grind. Its not the only reason, but i like Bouchard's game better and I think it translates to the NHL game better. I want them to take the best D man that will be successful in the NHL game. As i have stated in other threads , i don't wish to change your mind if you believe Boqvist is the guy. I am simply stating why I choose to pick Bouchard over Boqvist. The daily rankings i posted earlier in the thread have Boqvist one spot ahead of Bouchard. My opinion take Bouchard if its that close.. Regardless of who they take it might not even be a D man depending on where we pick. I have stated my preference, you have not stated a particular player. I have stated the attributes i would like to see us base our pick on and why. At the end of the day my phone will not ring on Draft day and have JB ask my thoughts....or yours. But to attack another persons Opinion as long as they can support it with reasons makes me ignore that person. Size is important in the NHL it works for you and against you sometimes. In this case especially on D i have stated why I feel its important. I never said a player under 6 feet cant play I said the teams that are successful have limited players of that size and they usually have a lot of bigger players on D to surround them with.And not one small d on each pairing. At the end of the day there are posters here i respect, i don't always agree with them on everything, but i respect them because on most topics they read what you write and will agree or disagree with the topic not the person. My feelings aren't hurt when someone disagrees. we might agree on the next topic. I am just not going to attack anyone for their viewpoints. Cheers, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 3 minutes ago, Canadian Clay said: Interestingly, one player I found who had similar numbers to Svechnikov is Brandon Convery. Scored 40 goals in 44 games in his draft year (though he had 5 fewer assists than svech) then he was taken 8th overall by Toronto. He bounced back and forth between the AHL and the NHL for a number of years (including 17 games for the Canucks) before finding himself in Europe putting up very underwhelming numbers. The games changed a lot in the last 26 years. 3 minutes ago, Canadian Clay said: I definitely think svechnikov will be better than this, but honestly point production in Junior doesn’t really mean to much. The skill level in those leagues is so varied that you can pickup a lot of points if you’re playing a weaker team or getting favourable matchups. That’s why so many CHL stars never make it in the NHL. You really have to watch the players game to know if it will translate to a higher level. From everything I’ve heard, Svech will have no problem going to the NHL, but just looking at his goals per game doesn’t necessarily tell the whole story. Can you name another player who put up over 0.9 goals per game in the OHL during there draft years, from the last 15 years that didn’t turn out? Here I’ll show the list. Here is a more up to date list of goals per game from the OHL of players in draft years: Kane 1.068 Tavares 1.035 Stamkos 0.95 McDavid 0.936 Svech 0.909 Skinner 0.78 Seguin 0.76 Yakupov 0.73 Hall 0.70 Landeskog 0.679 Svech is in the Laine category of goal scoring. He’s an elite player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 18 minutes ago, Rush17 said: The Russian factor. Tryamkin bailed. Having a 2nd overall sniper leave to the khl would mark the end of Jim's tenure. nischuken dropped because of that some argue. The Russian factor has been beaten to death. It’s not a factor. He’s been in NA since he was 15. His brother and mother already live here. Nichushkin and tryamkin didn’t spend the two season prior to the draft in NA getting accustomed to the NA game. They also were fringe players getting limited minutes not stars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rush17 Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 4 minutes ago, ForsbergTheGreat said: The games changed a lot in the last 26 years. Can you name another player who put up over 0.9 goals per game in the OHL during there draft years, from the last 15 years that didn’t turn out? Here I’ll show the list. Here is a more up to date list of goals per game from the OHL of players in draft years: Kane 1.068 Tavares 1.035 Stamkos 0.95 McDavid 0.936 Svech 0.909 Skinner 0.78 Seguin 0.76 Yakupov 0.73 Hall 0.70 Landeskog 0.679 Svech is in the Laine category of goal scoring. He’s an elite player Those are some impressive numbers. Is there any chance Svech could be turned into a C if Pettersson doesn't turn out as a good faceoff man? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.B Cooper Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 19 minutes ago, Rush17 said: The Russian factor. Tryamkin bailed. Having a 2nd overall sniper leave to the khl would mark the end of Jim's tenure. nischuken dropped because of that some argue. He ended up bolting so the concern was real. I don't know this kid tho maybe he's like Goldobin and willing to put up with coaches not giving them everything. He gets all he wants in jr because hes their best player. I like Svechnikov but I don't see Jim taking a shot at #2. At pick #4 sure I can see that. Russian factor, isn't a factor with this kid. Him and his family are committed to him playing in the NHL. Nichushkin dropped because he was a threat to leave before the draft even. I remember reports about him tellin teams in interviews he only wanted to play in the NHL. Tram was a faller for the same reason. Not all want to go back though. Nhl is the best league in the world, and some want to play there. Some want to make a good living and be comfy at home. If a kid and his family are willing to move here to play JR, you best bet he wants to play here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rush17 Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, ForsbergTheGreat said: The Russian factor has been beaten to death. It’s not a factor. He’s been in NA since he was 15. His brother and mother already live here. Nichushkin and tryamkin didn’t spend the two season prior to the draft in NA getting accustomed to the NA game. They also were fringe players getting limited minutes not stars. Good to know. Family here makes it easier for sure. Something to think about for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rush17 Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 3 minutes ago, ForsbergTheGreat said: The Russian factor has been beaten to death. It’s not a factor. He’s been in NA since he was 15. His brother and mother already live here. Nichushkin and tryamkin didn’t spend the two season prior to the draft in NA getting accustomed to the NA game. They also were fringe players getting limited minutes not stars. Nichushkin was more then a fringe player to be fair. Their team stunk after he left. In hindsight paying him the $$ he wanted might of been worthwhile. He was a legit top 6 scorer getting top line minutes at times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharbinder Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 On 3/17/2018 at 9:54 PM, Warhippy said: The biggest takeaway on the list is Zadina at 200 pounds? At 6 foot even? He absolutely flies on the ice and his east west is equally as fast and nimble as his north south. By age 28 you could easily see him at 225 pounds or more without much of a drop in skating ability. Vlad Tarasanko-esq Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Rocket Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 37 minutes ago, Rush17 said: The one thing I liked about Svechnikov vs Zadina.. is Svechnikov goes to the dirty areas to score. someone posted a graphics of their goal scoring locations. Zadina stayed out of the paint and more to the perminater. Svechnikov goes to all areas of the ice to score. That's more translable I would think. But would he be willing to do that vs some of the big NHL blueliners? You need a guy who can go to the paint or in close when the playoffs start and you really pay through price to get near the net. Yeah I definitely think his game will translate. 24 minutes ago, ForsbergTheGreat said: The games changed a lot in the last 26 years. Can you name another player who put up over 0.9 goals per game in the OHL during there draft years, from the last 15 years that didn’t turn out? Here I’ll show the list. Here is a more up to date list of goals per game from the OHL of players in draft years: Kane 1.068 Tavares 1.035 Stamkos 0.95 McDavid 0.936 Svech 0.909 Skinner 0.78 Seguin 0.76 Yakupov 0.73 Hall 0.70 Landeskog 0.679 Svech is in the Laine category of goal scoring. He’s an elite player I agree with everythig you just said. All I’m saying is it’s important to look at scoring stats in context, especially in juniors. I wasn’t trying to say Svech is a bad prospect or anything. I just thought it was interesting that there was a player with very similar stats who ended up not making it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TGokou Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 1 hour ago, mikeyman109 said: I don't ignore anyone who wants to have a reasonable discussion trying to see where the other person is coming from. Size was not the only point of difference i made, it was just the bigger one. Both Boqvist and Bouchard are capable offensive players. I continue to claim i have not seen enough game from Boqvist to establish consistency in his game. Bouchard is leading his team in scoring and has a better points per game than Boqvist, regardless if they came 5 on 5 or on the power play. Im sure Daniel and Hanks stats have been helped by their power play time this year as well. I offer up examples to try to prove my point and i am told they are not enough to sway opinion on the difference between the two. I am told Boqvist is a right shot and so is Bouchard. i am told that Boqvist will grow and put on weight, Bouchard will do the same will he not? So at 6'2 190 today he might play at 6'4 225? He has a better points per game than Boqvist does. He has a better assist ratio as he makes other players around him better. He has intangibles as well like being a captain of his team , like playing with Juolevi. His first pass is incredible at springing other players. Bouchard has also improved so much over the last 20 games he is inconsideration for player of the year in the OHL. Watching them both i think they are both good players. i have seen the highlights of both and been able to watch more of Bouchard than Boqvist obviously because one is in Europe and one is in Canada. Given that both players possess skill sets to run not only a power play but to be offensively proficient, i choose to pick the bigger Canadian kid because he is bigger, has a bigger frame to put more weight on. He will be stronger thus more efficient in his own end and will be able to survive the playoff grind. Its not the only reason, but i like Bouchard's game better and I think it translates to the NHL game better. I want them to take the best D man that will be successful in the NHL game. As i have stated in other threads , i don't wish to change your mind if you believe Boqvist is the guy. I am simply stating why I choose to pick Bouchard over Boqvist. The daily rankings i posted earlier in the thread have Boqvist one spot ahead of Bouchard. My opinion take Bouchard if its that close.. Regardless of who they take it might not even be a D man depending on where we pick. I have stated my preference, you have not stated a particular player. I have stated the attributes i would like to see us base our pick on and why. At the end of the day my phone will not ring on Draft day and have JB ask my thoughts....or yours. But to attack another persons Opinion as long as they can support it with reasons makes me ignore that person. Size is important in the NHL it works for you and against you sometimes. In this case especially on D i have stated why I feel its important. I never said a player under 6 feet cant play I said the teams that are successful have limited players of that size and they usually have a lot of bigger players on D to surround them with.And not one small d on each pairing. At the end of the day there are posters here i respect, i don't always agree with them on everything, but i respect them because on most topics they read what you write and will agree or disagree with the topic not the person. My feelings aren't hurt when someone disagrees. we might agree on the next topic. I am just not going to attack anyone for their viewpoints. Cheers, While I may not agree with your viewpoints I respect a person who can have a good debate and not attack a person in doing so. Cheers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rush17 Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 Bouchard climbs in Craig's list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pluralsight Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 5 minutes ago, Rush17 said: Bouchard climbs in Craig's list. I usually respect Button's rankings, but he is out to lunch with Tkachuk at #2 over Svechnikov and Zadina. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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