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4 hours ago, aGENT said:

I'm honestly flabbergasted it's even a discussion for some on here. 

I think the play of Bouchard has definitely warranted a discussion, at the very least. To say its an impossibility that Bouchard goes before Boqvist is a little close minded. Still some playoff hockey to be played + U18's + combine.    

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3 minutes ago, Bure_Pavel said:

I think the play of Bouchard has definitely warranted a discussion, at the very least. To say its an impossibility that Bouchard goes before Boqvist is a little close minded. Still some playoff hockey to be played + U18's + combine.    

U18's should be very telling. Will be crucial to see a majority of these players against each other in a measuring stick type tourney.

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5 minutes ago, sharbinder said:

U18's should be very telling. Will be crucial to see a majority of these players against each other in a measuring stick type tourney.

Ya was huge for Miro Heiskinen last year, if Boqvist can come in and dominate the tournament offensively it will do wonders for his stock.  

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31 minutes ago, pluralsight said:

I usually respect Button's rankings, but he is out to lunch with Tkachuk at #2 over Svechnikov and Zadina. 

Craig Button generally projects players whom will have a better career over the other, not so much where they will get selected. , Considering that Tkachuk has a better all-around package game, he could very well be a better player than Svech or Zadina.  I would argue the latter two are better offensively, but in almost every other category, physicality, defense, skating Brady easily is the same if not better. 

 

 I remember when he had ranked Jake Virtanen 47th in his draft class in 2014 and people were surprised.  Craig seem to have some weird projections, but he was one of the only scouts that had ranked Brock Boeser as a top 15 talent in 2015, and had a hunch that Cam Fowler and Mikhail Griegorenko would fall in the draft.

 

Not saying he is always right, but obviously has an eye for talent. 

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I would be very disappointed if we didn't land 1st overall to get Rasmus Dahlin, but I wouldn't be disappointed for long.  Earlier in this thread I had said Evan Bouchard has the potential to be the second best pick in this draft behind Dahlin.  I firmly believe, he has all the tools and pedigree to live up to that.  If Dahlin is gone, I'm looking straight at Bouchard over the other forwards and even Hughes and Boqvist. 

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2 minutes ago, CRAZY_4_NAZZY said:

Craig Button generally projects players whom will have a better career over the other, not so much where they will get selected. , Considering that Tkachuk has a better all-around package game, he could very well be a better player than Svech or Zadina.  I would argue the latter two are better offensively, but in almost every other category, physicality, defense, skating Brady easily is the same if not better. 

 

 I remember when he had ranked Jake Virtanen 47th in his draft class in 2014 and people were surprised.  Craig seem to have some weird projections, but he was one of the only scouts that had ranked Brock Boeser as a top 15 talent in 2015, and had a hunch that Cam Fowler and Mikhail Griegorenko would fall in the draft.

 

Not saying he is always right, but obviously has an eye for talent. 

The draft is typically based on ceiling. If you take that into account, Svechnikov and Zadina project to be elite first line scoring wingers. I'm not entirely sure how you pass on them for the safe, all around player. This obviously isn't a fair comparison, but it would be like taking Andrew Ladd or even Matthew Tkachuk over players like Marian Hossa or Vladimir Tarasenko. I don't doubt Brady Tkachuk will be a solid player, but at #2, that's a stretch. 

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2 minutes ago, pluralsight said:

The draft is typically based on ceiling. If you take that into account, Svechnikov and Zadina project to be elite first line scoring wingers. I'm not entirely sure how you pass on them for the safe, all around player. This obviously isn't a fair comparison, but it would be like taking Andrew Ladd or even Matthew Tkachuk over players like Marian Hossa or Vladimir Tarasenko. I don't doubt Brady Tkachuk will be a solid player, but at #2, that's a stretch. 

I wouldn't count out Tkachuk in the offensive department either though.  Scouts raved about how good his hands and vision is, and what separated him IMO at the WJC and what people are now seeing as he plays at Boston University, his mind for the game.  There is a reason Brady is lumped in with those two as well to vye for a top 2-3 position.  His offensive game is just as good.

 

No question its an eye raiser seeing Craig rank Brady over the other two, but my argument is that Brady could just be as good offensively as the other two are, and because of his two way game, likely is what brings him over the top over the others.  He plays a complete game. 

 

IMO i dont see it that much of a stretch, its interesting for sure and cause for debate. I do think Brady has done enough to give himself consideration to be number 2.

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23 minutes ago, pluralsight said:

The draft is typically based on ceiling. If you take that into account, Svechnikov and Zadina project to be elite first line scoring wingers. I'm not entirely sure how you pass on them for the safe, all around player. This obviously isn't a fair comparison, but it would be like taking Andrew Ladd or even Matthew Tkachuk over players like Marian Hossa or Vladimir Tarasenko. I don't doubt Brady Tkachuk will be a solid player, but at #2, that's a stretch. 

He’s a bigger body and looking like a Wayne simmonds clone. I’d still chose tarasenko and hossa. But simmonds brings a ton of extra value outside of scoring too

 

naslund vs bertuzzi.

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12 minutes ago, CRAZY_4_NAZZY said:

I wouldn't count out Tkachuk in the offensive department either though.  Scouts raved about how good his hands and vision is, and what separated him IMO at the WJC and what people are now seeing as he plays at Boston University, his mind for the game.  There is a reason Brady is lumped in with those two as well to vye for a top 2-3 position.  His offensive game is just as good.

 

No question its an eye raiser seeing Craig rank Brady over the other two, but my argument is that Brady could just be as good offensively as the other two are, and because of his two way game, likely is what brings him over the top over the others.  He plays a complete game. 

 

IMO i dont see it that much of a stretch, its interesting for sure and cause for debate. I do think Brady has done enough to give himself consideration to be number 2.

All good points on Tkachuk, I think he'd be a solid choice at #5 or #6. I just think the ceiling for Svech and Zadina is much higher than Tkachuk and I'd be hard pressed to pass on those two guys if we got the #2 pick. 

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3 minutes ago, ForsbergTheGreat said:

He’s a bigger body and looking like a Wayne simmonds clone. I’d still chose tarasenko and hossa. But simmonds brings a ton of extra value outside of scoring too

Probably looking towards that playoff frame.  Tkachuk looks like that prototypical 60-70 point winger that becomes a beast in the playoffs.

 

But I am probably projecting harder than button on that

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Ok is it just me, or is the option of trading for the Islanders picks becoming even more enjoyable?

 

2 possible top 10 picks, one being Calgary's.  The Islanders have a long illustrious history of trading away top 10 picks and the potential of drafting a guy with calgary's that could burn them for the next decade warms my savage little heart.

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1 minute ago, Warhippy said:

Probably looking towards that playoff frame.  Tkachuk looks like that prototypical 60-70 point winger that becomes a beast in the playoffs.

 

But I am probably projecting harder than button on that

It’s kinda of the naslund vs bertuzzi argument. Offensively. Nazzy is going to score more and put up bigger numbers. But Bert wasn’t no scrub at producing. And watching him lay out Barrett jackman in the playoffs was something special. 

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4 minutes ago, ForsbergTheGreat said:

It’s kinda of the naslund vs bertuzzi argument. Offensively. Nazzy is going to score more and put up bigger numbers. But Bert wasn’t no scrub at producing. And watching him lay out Barrett jackman in the playoffs was something special. 

I'll never ever forget that hit behind the net.  His shoulder just never recovered.

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9 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

Ok is it just me, or is the option of trading for the Islanders picks becoming even more enjoyable?

 

2 possible top 10 picks, one being Calgary's.  The Islanders have a long illustrious history of trading away top 10 picks and the potential of drafting a guy with calgary's that could burn them for the next decade warms my savage little heart.

I just can’t see them moving those picks right yet.  I think without Tavares, the Isles go directly into rebuild mood.  Garth Snow said that when he acquired those picks last June, he had full intentions of using them as tradable assets to improve the team.  The trade deadline came and went and he still had those pieces, so the question people were asking is what happened to change his mind.  Well a couple of things have changed since.

 

First, the most important factor is Tavares isn’t signed.  Why would you bring in assets to build around A player when THAT player could be on the move.  With Tavares Islanders are a goalie and a couple top 4 D away from being a playoff team.  Without Tavares, a player like Tanev doesn’t really move the needle more than it does here in Vancouver and he becomes a wasted asset.

 

Second, the pick that they received from Calgary became another lottery ticket.  Flames were sitting outside the playoffs and Smith was out at the TD.  That pick had a lot more value at TD than it did last summer.

 

If Islanders were really focused on bringing in a player to entice Tavares, they would have done it at the trade deadline, when they were just a few pieces out of a playoff spot. Instead they stood pat,   So as long as Tavares remains unsigned I can’t see them moving those picks.  They are too valuable to jump starting a rebuild.

 

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3 minutes ago, Sugar baby watermelon said:

if we end up with the 3rd spot, and Dahlin and Tkachuk are taken, who does Benning take?  Pass up on elite talent in Zadina and Svechnikov and go with Bouchard?  I really like Zadina but it would be hard to pass up on Svechnikov

Pretty hard decision, Bouchard has done a lot to move up the way he has, he started the year as a late first or early second rounder. I tend to like these guys that rise throughout the year as it shows that they are able to improve and elevate their game.

 

I feel a tad bit nervous with Svechnikov, I like Zadina, a lot and I think that I agree that Bouchard is the second d-man taken this year. 

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3 hours ago, mikeyman109 said:

I don't ignore anyone who wants to have a reasonable discussion trying to see where the other person is coming from.

 

Size was not the only point of difference i made, it was just the bigger one. Both Boqvist and Bouchard are capable offensive players. I continue to claim i have not seen enough game from Boqvist to establish consistency in his game.

 

Bouchard is leading his team in scoring and has a better points per game  than Boqvist, regardless if they came 5 on 5 or on the power play. Im sure Daniel and Hanks stats have been helped by their power play time this year as well.

 

I offer up examples to try to prove my point and i am told they are not enough to sway opinion on the difference between the two. I am told Boqvist is a right shot and so is Bouchard. i am told that Boqvist will grow and put on weight, Bouchard will do the same will he not? So at 6'2 190 today he might play at 6'4 225? He has a better points per game than Boqvist does. He has a better assist ratio as he makes other players around him better. He has intangibles as well like being a captain of his team , like playing with Juolevi. His first pass is incredible at springing other players. Bouchard has also improved so much over the last 20 games he is inconsideration for player of the year in the OHL.

Watching them both i think they are both good players. i have seen the highlights of both and been able to watch more of Bouchard than Boqvist obviously because one is in Europe and one is in Canada. Given that both players possess skill sets to run not only a power play but to be offensively proficient, i choose to pick the bigger Canadian kid because he is bigger, has a bigger frame to put more weight on. He will be stronger thus more efficient in his own end and will be able to survive the playoff grind. Its not the only reason, but i like Bouchard's game better and I think it translates to the NHL game better.

I want them to take the best D man that will be successful in the NHL game. As i have stated in other threads , i don't wish to change your mind if you believe Boqvist is the guy. I am simply stating why I choose to pick Bouchard over Boqvist. The daily rankings i posted earlier in the thread have Boqvist one spot ahead of Bouchard. My opinion take Bouchard if its that close..

Regardless of who they take it might not even be a D man depending on where we pick. I have stated my preference, you have not stated a particular player. I have stated the attributes i would like to see us base our pick on and why. At the end of the day my phone will not ring on Draft day and have JB ask my thoughts....or yours. 

 

But to attack another persons Opinion as long as they can support it with reasons makes me ignore that person. Size is important in the NHL it works for you and against you sometimes. In this case especially on D i have stated why I feel its important. I never said a player under 6 feet cant play I said the teams that are successful have limited players of that size and they usually have a lot of bigger players on D to surround them with.And not one small d on each pairing.

At the end of the day there are posters here i respect, i don't always agree with them on everything, but i respect them because on most topics they read what you write and will agree or disagree with the topic not the person. My feelings aren't hurt when someone disagrees. we might agree on the next topic. I am just not going to attack anyone for their viewpoints. Cheers,

all im gonna say is you cant compare there point per games they are in different leagues

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1 hour ago, pluralsight said:

I usually respect Button's rankings, but he is out to lunch with Tkachuk at #2 over Svechnikov and Zadina. 

Im super confused by this both Craig who scouts himself and Bob who compiles his list based on a consensus of pro scouts has tkachuk really high and I am not seeing it.

 

Craig also dropped boqvist from 2 --> 6 thats a pretty big drop and has quinn hughes really low.

 

My top 10 ranking is:

 

1 - Dahlin

2 - Svechnikov

3 - Zadina* I like Zadina more then Svechnikov though but that just a personal bias

4 - Boqvist

6 - Bouchard

7 - Wahlstrom

8 - Hughes

9 - Dobson

10 - Tkachuk

 

How can any scout put Tkachuk over Zadina or Svechnikov? I do not understand, has he had a monster month or something?

 

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1 hour ago, CRAZY_4_NAZZY said:

Craig Button generally projects players whom will have a better career over the other, not so much where they will get selected. , Considering that Tkachuk has a better all-around package game, he could very well be a better player than Svech or Zadina.  I would argue the latter two are better offensively, but in almost every other category, physicality, defense, skating Brady easily is the same if not better. 

 

 I remember when he had ranked Jake Virtanen 47th in his draft class in 2014 and people were surprised.  Craig seem to have some weird projections, but he was one of the only scouts that had ranked Brock Boeser as a top 15 talent in 2015, and had a hunch that Cam Fowler and Mikhail Griegorenko would fall in the draft.

 

Not saying he is always right, but obviously has an eye for talent. 

Good points, just I wonder what he sees and what made him jump up his rankings this month

 

Because Svech and Zadina are looking like they will both be in the NHL next year 

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