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18 minutes ago, CRAZY_4_NAZZY said:

I heard on tsn 1040 when Craig Button came on, that the BU coaches basically told him to focus and stop taking dumb penalties, and focus playing hard between the whistles.  Brady still has a tendency to take undisciplined penalties, but since the WJC - he dominated offensively giving him a much needed confidence boost (as he started the year slow in BU) - thus translated to him playing a far more cerebral and intimidating game.  

 

From what I gather, that new found confidence has allowed him to focus and really hone the skills aspect of his game.

 

Also - scouts have all said Tkachuk has by far the most complete game that would allow him to have an immediate effect in the NHL.  Mature physical frame, has elite vision (which makes him versatile to play wing or centre), solid work ethic, and his two way game is very refined despite being only 17 years old.   Only knock on him that I read on dobblers hockey prospect website, through the hockey news, and other bits and pieces is his skating.  Its not speed killing like Svechnikov's or Zadina's, but its good enough to make him effective, but adding an extra gear in his step would go a long ways. 

 

Despite he says he tries to emulate his style after Marian Hossa and Wayne Simmonds; stylistically, the kind of game that he reminds me of is Gabe Landeskog but with far more physical bite to his game. 

Landeskog was my stylistic comparison too.

 

Ive only watched him play a little, the thing about his game that stood out to me most was he wins a lot of his battles, which is great. Thats what I noticed most, and I thought that was his greatest quality. But I did not see elite vision, like Matthew has. Matthew has a very high offensive iq and shows great vision in regards to making plays and his positioning 

 

His ability to win puck battles consistently would be key when on a line with talented players, making him to me a potentially high end complementary piece.

 

He does scare me, but Ive said before Matthew had be concerned about some things and I was wrong about him, so maybe I am off base with Brady too and maybe hell be a stud.

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1 minute ago, .Naslund said:

People are always complaining about Juolevi's lackadaisical demeanour and now they want to get in on Bouchard? :huh:.

 

I'm just praying for one of Dahlin or Svechnikov.  3-5 is difficult. 

Taking bouchard would feel like doubling down on London and Juolevi lol

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37 minutes ago, DontMessMe said:

I would legit riot if Benning passes on BOTH zadina and Svech for fking Bouchard. 

 

I rather have Wahlstrom, Hughes, Boqvist over Bouchard. I am a Bouchard hater at pick #3. But a Bouchard lover if we picked like #10

Bob McKenzies list is typically on Point. I suspect his rankings will be more accurate

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3 minutes ago, aGENT said:

That's not remotely true or accurate.

 

As for the latter, maybe he'll go with the team SWE connection that Boqvist, Pettersson and Dahlen are all likely to have PDQ ;)

don't bite my head off man haha, sheesh, I was thinking of the Virtanen instead of Ehlers/Nylander in 2014 or Juolevi instead of Tkachuk/Sergachev and recently with Pettersson instead of Glass/Vilardi.....  omg man, it's like strapping on a piece of meat to yourself and walking into a lions den sometimes posting on here lol

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1 minute ago, Rush17 said:

Bob McKenzies list is typically on Point. I suspect his rankings will be more accurate

Bobs is usually closer to how the draft goes, Craigs list is who in order of who he thinks will have better careers/futures etc not a draft order prediction 

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1 minute ago, Sugar baby watermelon said:

don't bite my head off man haha, sheesh, I was thinking of the Virtanen instead of Ehlers/Nylander in 2014 or Juolevi instead of Tkachuk/Sergachev and recently with Pettersson instead of Glass/Vilardi.....  omg man, it's like strapping on a piece of meat to yourself and walking into a lions den sometimes posting on here lol

Draft talk gets HEATED! OMGZ KOPITARZ ,,, NICHUSHKINS?!?!? 

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2 hours ago, ForsbergTheGreat said:

I just can’t see them moving those picks right yet.  I think without Tavares, the Isles go directly into rebuild mood.  Garth Snow said that when he acquired those picks last June, he had full intentions of using them as tradable assets to improve the team.  The trade deadline came and went and he still had those pieces, so the question people were asking is what happened to change his mind.  Well a couple of things have changed since.

 

First, the most important factor is Tavares isn’t signed.  Why would you bring in assets to build around A player when THAT player could be on the move.  With Tavares Islanders are a goalie and a couple top 4 D away from being a playoff team.  Without Tavares, a player like Tanev doesn’t really move the needle more than it does here in Vancouver and he becomes a wasted asset.

 

Second, the pick that they received from Calgary became another lottery ticket.  Flames were sitting outside the playoffs and Smith was out at the TD.  That pick had a lot more value at TD than it did last summer.

 

If Islanders were really focused on bringing in a player to entice Tavares, they would have done it at the trade deadline, when they were just a few pieces out of a playoff spot. Instead they stood pat,   So as long as Tavares remains unsigned I can’t see them moving those picks.  They are too valuable to jump starting a rebuild.

 

I've little doubt that Snow will move those picks to ensure Tavares stays.  I'd be happy to offer him Tanev with retention to get one of them.  I'd be willing to take back Ladds contract as well if we got them both.

 

But if we're sitting in the 4 spot and we can obtain what is currently the 9th and 13th pick for giving them #4

 

Would you make that trade?

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10 minutes ago, Sugar baby watermelon said:

don't bite my head off man haha, sheesh, I was thinking of the Virtanen instead of Ehlers/Nylander in 2014 or Juolevi instead of Tkachuk/Sergachev and recently with Pettersson instead of Glass/Vilardi.....  omg man, it's like strapping on a piece of meat to yourself and walking into a lions den sometimes posting on here lol

I pointed out you posted factually inaccurate information. That's far from biting your head off.

 

Virtanen was listed in the same tier as Ehlers/Nylander (ahead of them in more than one ranking) and not remotely 'off the board'.

 

Same situation with Juolevi.

 

Pettersson I had ranked around 8th IIRC and I believe was generally ranked around 10. That one you could maybe consider a bit 'off the board", though not particularly by much and in a wide open draft...and it seems to have worked out pretty well for us so far. So maybe we should let Jim and Co just do what they do ;)

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My only issue with Svechnikov at all is the fact he's already missed some time in both seasons he's played in North America.  He missed 12 games in the USHL and some significant time in barrie.

 

My only fear with him is drafting such a great looking stud...only to see him Canuck Luck and Salo his way out of the league due to injury at an early age.

 

I'd still take that risk though

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2 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

My only issue with Svechnikov at all is the fact he's already missed some time in both seasons he's played in North America.  He missed 12 games in the USHL and some significant time in barrie.

 

My only fear with him is drafting such a great looking stud...only to see him Canuck Luck and Salo his way out of the league due to injury at an early age.

 

I'd still take that risk though

Lol i guess its a fair concern with our injury bug we seem to have, but honestly wouldn't hesitate take him or zadina they both just look both deadly and nhl transferable

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6 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

I've little doubt that Snow will move those picks to ensure Tavares stays. 

 

Again if showing tavares they were willing to make deals to improve the team around him was the goal why didn’t they do it at the trade deadline when it made the most sense. At this point when tavares is a two weeks from testing UFA it doesn’t make any sense. It’s too big of a gamble. They could just as easily draft players at those spots. And if tavares signs, trade those newly drafted players or 2019 picks for help. 

 

 

6 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

But if we're sitting in the 4 spot and we can obtain what is currently the 9th and 13th pick for giving them #4

 

Would you make that trade?

No. I think trading down is a terrible idea personally. You don’t know which player will or won’t be available. The player you have your sights on could go at #8 and then you’d be left taking second fiddle. Too much risk. If there’s a guy your sold on you take him.dont play around trying to outsmart other GM. 

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5 minutes ago, aGENT said:

I pointed out you posted factually inaccurate information. That's far from biting your head off.

 

Virtanen was listed in the same tier as Ehlers/Nylander (ahead of them in more than one ranking) and not remotely 'off the board'.

 

Same situation with Juolevi.

 

Pettersson I had ranked around 8th IIRC and I believe was generally ranked around 10. That one you could maybe consider a bit 'off the board", though not particularly by much and in a wide open draft...and it seems to have worked out pretty well for us so far. So maybe we should let Jim and Co just do what they do ;)

I have actually been supportive of Benning and his picks to be honest, maybe that's just being a homer for the team and if he doesn't pick who everyone else wants I get a little surprised at first but not upset and then I get excited to see what that prospect can bring

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1 hour ago, cdgraham said:

all im gonna say is you cant compare there point per games they are in different leagues

ok so what do you compare. I agree its tough to compare leagues. Which league most resembles the NHL game? In length? Style? How about ice surface? Just curious as to what formula you use to establish a comparable. The only one the Pro Boqvist camp uses here is skating speed.  Just curious.

 

Whatever formula the poster wants to use to establish their argument is the correct point seems to be the most important stat.

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35 minutes ago, Sugar baby watermelon said:

Benning does tend to go off the board with his 1st round picks though and he also does like his draft picks to have past connections with other drafted players ala Pettersson/Dahlen, Gadjovich/Palmu, (possibly)Juolevi/Bouchard.......  don't kill the messenger but it is a worrying trend from Trader Jim

Kill the messenger!! haha! 

 

But I think its absolutely stupid for skipping on BOTH Zadina and Svech. If he really wants Bouchard, he has to trade down. 

 

Would I be ok if we picked Bouchard at 4/5: Personally no. I prefer Boqvist/Hughes/Tkachuk/Wahlstrom (assuming Svech and Zadina are gone)

 

Would I be ok if we picked Bouchard at 8-10: Maybe we'll see

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1 hour ago, Brobidus said:

Button sees Bouchard as an all-situation D. So a guy to quarterback the powerplay, be a stalwart on the defensive end and put up the points at even-strength. 


I've seen a lot of scouts question Bouchard's defensive IQ, his skating and his intensity and compete level. His skating isn't bad, but it's just decent. He plays a lot, but he doesn't show enough umph at the beginning of games either, even when he isn't yet tired. 

He just got voted the smartest player in the OHL by their coaches? where did you get this from??? He is in the running for OHL player of the year?

 

I think he is an all around player.His skating is decent, He makes players around him better. he makes the smart play. I have been saying all the things Button has said and I have been roasted for it.

I would take him number 2 because he is Brian Leetch like, Matthias Ohlund, Larry Murphy ...smart player who makes the intelligent play every time Gets the shot through.

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1 hour ago, R3aL said:

Ya just listened to that shcoked me..

 

I am not saying its right or wrong, but the boards here would FREAK passing on Zadina and Svechnikov who will both be in the NHL next year making an impact and will most likley we top line wingers for their careers would defn. spark some anger until bouchard made an impact.

Its has sparked some anger just to suggest it on CDC. I am ok with the player not stepping in next year if it benefits us long term. Thats whomever they take Forward or D

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39 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

I've little doubt that Snow will move those picks to ensure Tavares stays.  I'd be happy to offer him Tanev with retention to get one of them.  I'd be willing to take back Ladds contract as well if we got them both.

 

But if we're sitting in the 4 spot and we can obtain what is currently the 9th and 13th pick for giving them #4

 

Would you make that trade?

Who would they want at 4 of Svech and Zadina are gone? Would they package that for thachuk, Bouchard, or Boqvist?  If it were a top 3 pick that would be harder for them to pass up.

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23 minutes ago, DontMessMe said:

Kill the messenger!! haha! 

 

But I think its absolutely stupid for skipping on BOTH Zadina and Svech. If he really wants Bouchard, he has to trade down. 

 

Would I be ok if we picked Bouchard at 4/5: Personally no. I prefer Boqvist/Hughes/Tkachuk/Wahlstrom (assuming Svech and Zadina are gone)

 

Would I be ok if we picked Bouchard at 8-10: Maybe we'll see

If a trade down is available. We don't see many teams switch picks in the top 10.  We all say just switch picks but it happens so rarely. What maybe once in 10-12 years if that?

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