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5 minutes ago, mikeyman109 said:

Its has sparked some anger just to suggest it on CDC. I am ok with the player not stepping in next year if it benefits us long term. Thats whomever they take Forward or D

If we take a forward we are less likely to pay Evander Kane to come to Van. That could be a blessing in its own there lol. I want him here but don't due to cap constraints.  If we move Sutter next season at the TDL or 19 draft then Evanders contract would be more manageable if he signed here.

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47 minutes ago, Sugar baby watermelon said:

don't bite my head off man haha, sheesh, I was thinking of the Virtanen instead of Ehlers/Nylander in 2014 or Juolevi instead of Tkachuk/Sergachev and recently with Pettersson instead of Glass/Vilardi.....  omg man, it's like strapping on a piece of meat to yourself and walking into a lions den sometimes posting on here lol

For "off the board" see Boston's three straight first rounders in 2015.

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1 minute ago, Rush17 said:

If we take a forward we are less likely to pay Evander Kane to come to Van. That could be a blessing in its own there lol. I want him here but don't due to cap constraints.  If we move Sutter next season at the TDL or 19 draft then Evanders contract would be more manageable if he signed here.

I like Kanes physical attributes just not his mental ones. If we take a forward we still need to help out the D with a signing or getting Tryamkin back. Id draft the D and try to sign the forward but that's just me.

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2 minutes ago, DontMessMe said:

I personally believe that in the 1st round we should ALWAYS pick BPA no matter what. 

Again BPA is your opinion based on who you want them to pick. The list like Craig said after number 1 is too close to call. Whomever they pick is their opinion of who will be BPA

I believe the best player available after Dahlin is Bouchard, you obviously believe someone else.

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59 minutes ago, Sugar baby watermelon said:

don't bite my head off man haha, sheesh, I was thinking of the Virtanen instead of Ehlers/Nylander in 2014 or Juolevi instead of Tkachuk/Sergachev and recently with Pettersson instead of Glass/Vilardi.....  omg man, it's like strapping on a piece of meat to yourself and walking into a lions den sometimes posting on here lol

Petterson may still work out as the BPA from those players you mentioned. Virtanen may not.Juolevi may still work out fine. We dont know what Tkachucks camp said about playing in Vancouver. Perhaps the kid said he didn't want to play here. I would take that as a sign to overlook him. I dont have that to quote anywhere it just may be a possiblity. Taking the best player available for your organization  is not a bad idea when the others are so close in talent level.

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7 hours ago, theo5789 said:

Just trying to be clear here, are you saying that those stats don't mean much because it doesn't show the full aspect of either of their games (eg speed, etc)?

 

I would suggest that Zadina producing more 5v5 points per game makes him the tougher player to handle since there is more time and space on the PP. Hischier is a speed demon, but I think Zadina has good speed and more power to his game. Not saying one is better than the other just yet, but Zadina would be fighting for number 1 overall last year whereas he's considered only top 3 this year (lower for some people which I have no idea why).

I just looked at another post, nearly a page of quantified justifications as to how Bouchard's stats suggested he was a higher level performer than Boqvist.  It is not that stats are not valid? At all.  Allthough that post was not full of truly advanced historical comparisons such as Seal adjusted projections based on age, size and leagues they had played in.

 

The art of the scout versus the analyst is to gauge how his  physical skills as displayed will translate.  If points themselves are similar, you are pointing out Zadina's are slightly higher, but one guy is dead set faster?  I'm suggesting the speed and athletic ability of the superior athlete still probably translates better as a whole.

 

 

 

That said, as I watch Zadina more, I am seeing an interesting skill set. I see him as very fast as well in the grand scheme of things. Just not at Nico's elite speed? But what I do see is quickness to make plays in tight, and where there is body contact. In tight as well as making cuts & darting moves to the net. While maintaining puck control & unleashing deadly shots. I wish Jake Virtanen had a bit more of this? Shot yes, but not body control to make moves under pressure. Matthew Tkachuk has some. Corey Perry is a master. Zadina, is probably faster than Tkachuk & Perry. No doubt Zadina also has deadly skills & is an exciting prospect. I cant understate that.  

 

I still believe Hischier is the higher ceiling guy.  

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19 minutes ago, mikeyman109 said:

Again BPA is your opinion based on who you want them to pick. The list like Craig said after number 1 is too close to call. Whomever they pick is their opinion of who will be BPA

I believe the best player available after Dahlin is Bouchard, you obviously believe someone else.

I am legit surprised you have Bouchard ranked over Svech and Zadina. 

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I just believe the D talent this kid possesses is legit 1st pairing D and that's hard to come by. I said it two weeks ago i say it again , its our biggest need, and like Craig said its really close between 2-5. I don't disagree that Svech and Zadina are talented and good. If we pick them because the D are gone I get it.,It just seems silly to me not to address your biggest weakness which i believe is D right now especially with some good ones in front of us. If we drafted a D this year in a good draft year for D, and looked for forwards next year what is the difference?  Posters here say take the BPA. Well I argue that is subjective. You think Svechnikov is the best player at 2 another person thinks its Zadina, other believe Boqvist. That's ok everyone likes what they like. I believe as Craig Buttons just said today on the radio, that Bouchard has moved up the ranks, been voted the smartest player in the OHL, is in the running for Player of the year in that league and has all the skill set that will help our d from an offensive and defensive point. Craig says the players between 2-5 are too close to call and that if he were the Canucks he would take Bouchard at 2. I agree with him. I said so last week here and got roasted for it. Bouchard is that good., Brain Leetch, Larry Murphy, Mathias Ohlund. He is that good. and time will show it.It was just nice to have someone say it publicly as I have been saying it for weeks here and getting blasted.

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18 minutes ago, mikeyman109 said:

I just believe the D talent this kid possesses is legit 1st pairing D and that's hard to come by. I said it two weeks ago i say it again , its our biggest need, and like Craig said its really close between 2-5. I don't disagree that Svech and Zadina are talented and good. If we pick them because the D are gone I get it.,It just seems silly to me not to address your biggest weakness which i believe is D right now especially with some good ones in front of us. If we drafted a D this year in a good draft year for D, and looked for forwards next year what is the difference?  Posters here say take the BPA. Well I argue that is subjective. You think Svechnikov is the best player at 2 another person thinks its Zadina, other believe Boqvist. That's ok everyone likes what they like. I believe as Craig Buttons just said today on the radio, that Bouchard has moved up the ranks, been voted the smartest player in the OHL, is in the running for Player of the year in that league and has all the skill set that will help our d from an offensive and defensive point. Craig says the players between 2-5 are too close to call and that if he were the Canucks he would take Bouchard at 2. I agree with him. I said so last week here and got roasted for it. Bouchard is that good., Brain Leetch, Larry Murphy, Mathias Ohlund. He is that good. and time will show it.It was just nice to have someone say it publicly as I have been saying it for weeks here and getting blasted.

Or to be hassle free just pray that we get 1st overall and we get Dahlin. All the stress is now gone <3 or maybe less stress. Still some stress picking in rds 2 and beyond 

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19 minutes ago, DontMessMe said:

Or to be hassle free just pray that we get 1st overall and we get Dahlin. All the stress is now gone <3 or maybe less stress. Still some stress picking in rds 2 and beyond 

I agree with you if we get Dahlin I am happy too its the BPA agreed by all and we get our teams biggest need. Its if we don't get to pick first that all hell is going to break out here. Like i said I pick the OHL kid, Others have reasons for their opinion.I respect them when they present them respectfully.

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Highlights of London's last game against the Soo. @the 1:20 mark exemplifies how poor Bouchard is in his d-zone. How weak his skating and pivots are, how problematic his separation speed will be at the NHL level. He flat out gets stripped of the puck and is the reason for the goal against. In most of my viewings, this is a common occurrence, where he loses battles and is poor in his own zone. In a league where speed and skating are quickly becoming the most important aspect in players, bouchard should not be considered where we pick which should be in the top 6.

 

http://ontariohockeyleague.com/video/mar-1818-ldn-3-ssm-6

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2 minutes ago, R.Dahlin26 said:

Highlights of London's last game against the Soo. @the 1:20 mark exemplifies how poor Bouchard is in his d-zone. How weak his skating and pivots are, how problematic his separation speed will be at the NHL level. He flat out gets stripped of the puck and is the reason for the goal against. In most of my viewings, this is a common occurrence, where he loses battles and is poor in his own zone. In a league where speed and skating are quickly becoming the most important aspect in players, bouchard should not be considered where we pick which should be in the top 6.

 

http://ontariohockeyleague.com/video/mar-1818-ldn-3-ssm-6

Craig Buttons has seen him play 60 games and before junior as well. Bouchard has the gifted offensive and defensive skills to be in the running for OHl player of the year., He has been voted the smartest player in the league by all the coaches.One bad highlight is not going to deter me from his 1000 good ones. we can post as many good points to his game as your one bad one, In a league where intelligence and making the smart play have always been more important than one quality. I choose Bouchard. He is moving up the ranks based on his over all play not one quality. He is the best all around D man after Dahlin in the draft

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11 minutes ago, R.Dahlin26 said:

Highlights of London's last game against the Soo. @the 1:20 mark exemplifies how poor Bouchard is in his d-zone. How weak his skating and pivots are, how problematic his separation speed will be at the NHL level. He flat out gets stripped of the puck and is the reason for the goal against. In most of my viewings, this is a common occurrence, where he loses battles and is poor in his own zone. In a league where speed and skating are quickly becoming the most important aspect in players, bouchard should not be considered where we pick which should be in the top 6.

 

http://ontariohockeyleague.com/video/mar-1818-ldn-3-ssm-6

Granted that was a poor play, and a poor effort in trying to recover. I actually think his urgency back was worse then turning the puck over there.

 

But every dmen gets beat, Horvat flat out embarressed Burns and blew by him 1 on 1, gold dangled Doughty, Boeser on Josi etc etc. It happens.

 

I am concerned about his compete level now though and that is a good example of how it could be an issue. Ive only watched a handful of london games this year and I have never really noticed his board play and compete, but ever since Mark Edwards soundbite and march rankings I am gonna watch for it and this is an example so its worrisome.

 

Out of every march ranking / mock draft online this is my favourite one: https://www.hockeyprospect.com/hockeyprospect-com-2018-nhl-draft-rankings-top-70-march-6th-2018/

 

But Button saying hes watched him play over and over now and took him a long time to put him at 5 on his list this month and to suggest not a big difference between him to Svechnikov/Zadina/Tkachuk has really surprised me.

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1 minute ago, R3aL said:

Granted that was a poor play, and a poor effort in trying to recover. I actually think his urgency back was worse then turning the puck over there.

 

But every dmen gets beat, Horvat flat out embarressed Burns and blew by him 1 on 1, gold dangled Doughty, Boeser on Josi etc etc. It happens.

 

I am concerned about his compete level now though and that is a good example of how it could be an issue. Ive only watched a handful of london games this year and I have never really noticed his board play and compete, but ever since Mark Edwards soundbite and march rankings I am gonna watch for it and this is an example so its worrisome.

 

Out of every march ranking / mock draft online this is my favourite one: https://www.hockeyprospect.com/hockeyprospect-com-2018-nhl-draft-rankings-top-70-march-6th-2018/

 

But Button saying hes watched him play over and over now and took him a long time to put him at 5 on his list this month and to suggest not a big difference between him to Svechnikov/Zadina/Tkachuk has really surprised me.

One of London's game was on Sportsnet against Barrie a while back, and his body language was awful. I think he was on the ice for almost every goal as well, could not even contain Svechnikov one bit.

 

For a guy who is 6-2 190 he sure doesn't play like it, loses way too many battles he shouldn't like Mark Edwards said in that podcast, lack of compete level, and urgency in his play with average skating makes him a complete turn off.

 

Yes HockeyProspects is one of my Favourites as well, and they have had bouchard around 15 all year.

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3 hours ago, cyoung said:

How can you be nervous with Svech!?! He's an absolute beast haha

He is a beast, I agree but the Russian factor is what makes me nervous. There have been winners like Malkin and OV

 

but then there are the others that went top ten their respective years....

- Nikita Alexeev went 8th in 2000,

- Svitov went 3rd overall in 2001,

- Chistov went 5 that same year, Filatov was 6th overall in 2008,

- Burmistrov is the winner of this group at 8th overall and 348 gp, all others are under 190 gp.....

- except, dare I say, the infamous Yakupov with 347 gp and 136 career points, not bad for first overall in 2012 right? Well maybe not so good.

- Honourable mention to 12th overall (was projected to go top ten but slipped due to questions about his age) in 2012 goes to Grigorenko, he played 212 career games and now       finds himself playing in Russia, pretty short career for a 23 year old, or is he 26? We'll never know.

- 2013, the Canucks took Bo at 9, everyone wanted Nichushkin who as a tenth overall pick is enjoying his second year with CSKA Moscow,

 

 

Yes, Russian players are beasts when they are in junior but they scare the hell out of me as pros, for every Malkin and OV that is taken in the top 10 of the NHL draft, you seem to get 4 Chistov's 

 

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My concern with Bouchard is also in his own zone. He has a great mind for the game, but man Travis Green would bench him and should bench him for the way he competes in his own zone. 

The guys who succeed in the NHL are relentless, it would be similar to how Goldy needed and still has to increase his battle level to make it in the NHL.

I'm not saying he can't get there, its just that his floor is as low as anybody, and his ceiling is not the highest of the after Dahlin D men. 

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7 minutes ago, R.Dahlin26 said:

One of London's game was on Sportsnet against Barrie a while back, and his body language was awful. I think he was on the ice for almost every goal as well, could not even contain Svechnikov one bit.

 

For a guy who is 6-2 190 he sure doesn't play like it, loses way too many battles he shouldn't like Mark Edwards said in that podcast, lack of compete level, and urgency in his play with average skating makes him a complete turn off.

 

Yes HockeyProspects is one of my Favourites as well, and they have had bouchard around 15 all year.

Ya no one in the OHL can contain Svechnikov, including Bouchard, thats why picking Bouchard over him at 2 would shock the hell out of me

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5 minutes ago, GarthButcher5 said:

He is a beast, I agree but the Russian factor is what makes me nervous. There have been winners like Malkin and OV

 

but then there are the others that went top ten their respective years....

- Nikita Alexeev went 8th in 2000,

- Svitov went 3rd overall in 2001,

- Chistov went 5 that same year, Filatov was 6th overall in 2008,

- Burmistrov is the winner of this group at 8th overall and 348 gp, all others are under 190 gp.....

- except, dare I say, the infamous Yakupov with 347 gp and 136 career points, not bad for first overall in 2012 right? Well maybe not so good.

- Honourable mention to 12th overall (was projected to go top ten but slipped due to questions about his age) in 2012 goes to Grigorenko, he played 212 career games and now       finds himself playing in Russia, pretty short career for a 23 year old, or is he 26? We'll never know.

- 2013, the Canucks took Bo at 9, everyone wanted Nichushkin who as a tenth overall pick is enjoying his second year with CSKA Moscow,

 

 

Yes, Russian players are beasts when they are in junior but they scare the hell out of me as pros, for every Malkin and OV that is taken in the top 10 of the NHL draft, you seem to get 4 Chistov's 

 

Exactly!  Excellent post.  Is that Russian so much better than the guys ranked 2-5, that he’s worth the added “Russian Factor” risk?  I think not.  We can’t afford the risk.  Let a team with a deeper prospect pool risk taking him.

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7 minutes ago, GarthButcher5 said:

He is a beast, I agree but the Russian factor is what makes me nervous. There have been winners like Malkin and OV

 

but then there are the others that went top ten their respective years....

- Nikita Alexeev went 8th in 2000,

- Svitov went 3rd overall in 2001,

- Chistov went 5 that same year, Filatov was 6th overall in 2008,

- Burmistrov is the winner of this group at 8th overall and 348 gp, all others are under 190 gp.....

- except, dare I say, the infamous Yakupov with 347 gp and 136 career points, not bad for first overall in 2012 right? Well maybe not so good.

- Honourable mention to 12th overall (was projected to go top ten but slipped due to questions about his age) in 2012 goes to Grigorenko, he played 212 career games and now       finds himself playing in Russia, pretty short career for a 23 year old, or is he 26? We'll never know.

- 2013, the Canucks took Bo at 9, everyone wanted Nichushkin who as a tenth overall pick is enjoying his second year with CSKA Moscow,

 

 

Yes, Russian players are beasts when they are in junior but they scare the hell out of me as pros, for every Malkin and OV that is taken in the top 10 of the NHL draft, you seem to get 4 Chistov's 

 

There is an incredibly high percentage of players for every nationality that do not make it or develop the way they were expected to.

 

None of those players you name that went in top 10 and are busts are comparable to Svechnikov at all.. situationally, physically, stylistically etc.

 

Read a little on Svechnikov, his family, his decision to come to North America as young as he did oh ya and Watch him play. Tell me if your worried after that. 

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