Derp... Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 Also if Evan Bouchard is so good, why didn't Team Canada give him a look for the WJC this past year? He only has 1 year of eligibility left now and posted 0 points in 4 games at the Hlinka in 16/17 (Age 16). Boqvist had 8 points in 5 games at the Hlinka last year as a 16 year old, and still can play in the u18 WJC this year as well as 2 years of u20 WJC. One is a man playing against boys the other is a boy playing against men. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 2 minutes ago, Derp... said: Also if Evan Bouchard is so good, why didn't Team Canada give him a look for the WJC this past year? He only has 1 year of eligibility left now and posted 0 points in 4 games at the Hlinka in 16/17 (Age 16). Boqvist had 8 points in 5 games at the Hlinka last year as a 16 year old, and still can play in the Hlinka this year as well as 2 years of WJC. One is a man playing against boys the other is a boy playing against men. Boquist is small, so there is the worry he’s another Jordan Subban, Philip Larsen, or Timothy Littlegren. Whomever JB selects, he can’t afford to miss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 2 hours ago, mikeyman109 said: Petterson may still work out as the BPA from those players you mentioned. Virtanen may not.Juolevi may still work out fine. We dont know what Tkachucks camp said about playing in Vancouver. Perhaps the kid said he didn't want to play here. I would take that as a sign to overlook him. I dont have that to quote anywhere it just may be a possiblity. Taking the best player available for your organization is not a bad idea when the others are so close in talent level. Since the draft last year i don't recall many mentioning. A few did however.... I think this is very likely an issue. He may not have looked too enthusiastic about it, who knows. One thing is for sure JB chose OJ instead, and he is the only one, who had all the info.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I.Am.Ironman Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 33 minutes ago, GarthButcher5 said: He is a beast, I agree but the Russian factor is what makes me nervous. There have been winners like Malkin and OV but then there are the others that went top ten their respective years.... - Nikita Alexeev went 8th in 2000, - Svitov went 3rd overall in 2001, - Chistov went 5 that same year, Filatov was 6th overall in 2008, - Burmistrov is the winner of this group at 8th overall and 348 gp, all others are under 190 gp..... - except, dare I say, the infamous Yakupov with 347 gp and 136 career points, not bad for first overall in 2012 right? Well maybe not so good. - Honourable mention to 12th overall (was projected to go top ten but slipped due to questions about his age) in 2012 goes to Grigorenko, he played 212 career games and now finds himself playing in Russia, pretty short career for a 23 year old, or is he 26? We'll never know. - 2013, the Canucks took Bo at 9, everyone wanted Nichushkin who as a tenth overall pick is enjoying his second year with CSKA Moscow, Yes, Russian players are beasts when they are in junior but they scare the hell out of me as pros, for every Malkin and OV that is taken in the top 10 of the NHL draft, you seem to get 4 Chistov's Add Nikolai Zherdev and Aleksander Semin to the list, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derp... Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 4 minutes ago, Alflives said: Boquist is small, so there is the worry he’s another Jordan Subban, Philip Larsen, or Timothy Littlegren. Whomever JB selects, he can’t afford to miss. Doesn't seem like he will be that small. 5'11 170 at age 17 is pretty normal for a good athlete. I would expect him to do well in the combine testing which is a better indicator of future physical ability than sheer height and weight. Plus there's the fact he is already competing against men trying to out manuever them with his mind, hands, feet, and strength. That should easily have him better prepared for the NHL at the end of next year compared to Bouchard who will likely be back to junior unless he has unreal gains in the summer. Look at this dancing! Bouchard does not dance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 23 minutes ago, GarthButcher5 said: He is a beast, I agree but the Russian factor is what makes me nervous. There have been winners like Malkin and OV but then there are the others that went top ten their respective years.... - Nikita Alexeev went 8th in 2000, - Svitov went 3rd overall in 2001, - Chistov went 5 that same year, Filatov was 6th overall in 2008, - Burmistrov is the winner of this group at 8th overall and 348 gp, all others are under 190 gp..... - except, dare I say, the infamous Yakupov with 347 gp and 136 career points, not bad for first overall in 2012 right? Well maybe not so good. - Honourable mention to 12th overall (was projected to go top ten but slipped due to questions about his age) in 2012 goes to Grigorenko, he played 212 career games and now finds himself playing in Russia, pretty short career for a 23 year old, or is he 26? We'll never know. - 2013, the Canucks took Bo at 9, everyone wanted Nichushkin who as a tenth overall pick is enjoying his second year with CSKA Moscow, Yes, Russian players are beasts when they are in junior but they scare the hell out of me as pros, for every Malkin and OV that is taken in the top 10 of the NHL draft, you seem to get 4 Chistov's There's a difference between fringe players not being good enough for the NHL and star players deciding to go back for other reasons. I could name just as many Canadians that didn't pan out in the top picks that ended up going to Europe. Hamill, Beach, Teubert, Picard, Pokulok, Bourret, Brule, Lee, Barker, Wishart, Ellerby, Boychuk, Leblanc, Gormley, Hishon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isam Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 1 minute ago, ForsbergTheGreat said: There's a difference between fringe players not being good enough for the NHL and star players deciding to go back for other reasons. I could name just as many Canadians that didn't pan out in the top picks that ended up going to Europe. Hamill, Beach, Teubert, Picard, Pokulok, Bourret, Brule, Lee, Barker, Wishart, Ellerby, Boychuk, Leblanc, Gormley, Hishon Rico fata! One of the greater busts thought him and Daniel tkaczuk were gonna be awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
runtzguy Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 Knowing that Vancouver will draft #5, we should draft Adam Boqvist. This guy is just as good as Dahlin when it comes to offence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 7 minutes ago, runtzguy said: Knowing that Vancouver will draft #5, we should draft Adam Boqvist. This guy is just as good as Dahlin when it comes to offence. So was Philip Larsen, and he didn’t work out because he was just too light. Boquist is exciting, but he’s a risk. Tkatchuk is a no risk pick, except he might stay in college all four years and become a UFA. The Russian might run back to the KHL is he’s not happy. Maybe Zadina is the next best pick to Dhalin? Maybe trade down? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 18 minutes ago, ForsbergTheGreat said: There's a difference between fringe players not being good enough for the NHL and star players deciding to go back for other reasons. I could name just as many Canadians that didn't pan out in the top picks that ended up going to Europe. Hamill, Beach, Teubert, Picard, Pokulok, Bourret, Brule, Lee, Barker, Wishart, Ellerby, Boychuk, Leblanc, Gormley, Hishon So you have no worries with Svenchikov going to the KHL if he’s not happy here? I wonder if drafting a star Russian and having Goldobin could at all help to lure Tryamkin back? If the other two guys had girlfriends, then Tryamkin’s wife would have friends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Rocket Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 2 minutes ago, Alflives said: So you have no worries with Svenchikov going to the KHL if he’s not happy here? I wonder if drafting a star Russian and having Goldobin could at all help to lure Tryamkin back? If the other two guys had girlfriends, then Tryamkin’s wife would have friends. the kid is one of the youngest players in the whole draft. he's only 17, lots of time to gain strength. besides, hes no that much lighter than john klingberg, ryan ellis, or Shayne Gostisbehere. if he can gain 5-10 pounds in the next three years (not hard to do) then he can become a number 1 defensemen in the NHL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Naslund Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 Just because Bouchard is 6'2 and Boqvist is 5'9, you all are willing to throw away a PROJECTED Erik Karlsson clone for a "good solid, big, meat & potatoes Canadian boy". Boqvist is ONE FULL YEAR YOUNGER than Bouchard. Boqvist represents an amazing amount of potential and over the long run projects to be better than Bouchard. It doesn't matter who's more ready at the moment, we want the defence-man who's going to be a yearly, game-breaking Norris contender. Boqvist has GAME-BREAKING speed, and offensive skills, Bouchard.... makes the safe play sure, but lacks compete, and is slow. Not everyone can improve their skating, sure Bo did, but did Hodgson? Has Boeser improved his skating yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Naslund Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 Old school hockey mentality: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isam Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 1 minute ago, .Naslund said: Old school hockey mentality: Ya, but can be he play the right side? Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.B Cooper Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 16 minutes ago, Alflives said: So was Philip Larsen, and he didn’t work out because he was just too light. Boquist is exciting, but he’s a risk. Tkatchuk is a no risk pick, except he might stay in college all four years and become a UFA. The Russian might run back to the KHL is he’s not happy. Maybe Zadina is the next best pick to Dhalin? Maybe trade down? I was worried about his size too. Not any more tho. The kid has put on 2" and 10-15 lbs in the last year. 5'11" 170lbs isn't bad for a kid. He could easily be 6' 190-200lbs. That would be just fine considering how this kid moves and thinks. 12 minutes ago, Alflives said: So you have no worries with Svenchikov going to the KHL if he’s not happy here? I wonder if drafting a star Russian and having Goldobin could at all help to lure Tryamkin back? If the other two guys had girlfriends, then Tryamkin’s wife would have friends. No worries for the 'Russian factor' with this kid IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isam Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 3 minutes ago, .Naslund said: Old school hockey mentality: Seems that he has got some of that slippery elusiveness that boqvist is supposed to have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 7 minutes ago, Canadian Clay said: the kid is one of the youngest players in the whole draft. he's only 17, lots of time to gain strength. besides, hes no that much lighter than john klingberg, ryan ellis, or Shayne Gostisbehere. if he can gain 5-10 pounds in the next three years (not hard to do) then he can become a number 1 defensemen in the NHL I’m okay with whomever JB selects. I just think this guy might be a little light for a dman. Although there was this guy who wore number 4 who was a similar size when he broke into the league, and he did okay. Boquist is exciting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
86Viking Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 If JB liked Makar last year, good chance he likes Boqvist and takes him in the 2-5 range this draft. Keep that Swedish hockey factory a flowing in Vancouver, the older vets are almost gone, bring in more Swedes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdgraham Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 4 hours ago, mikeyman109 said: ok so what do you compare. I agree its tough to compare leagues. Which league most resembles the NHL game? In length? Style? How about ice surface? Just curious as to what formula you use to establish a comparable. The only one the Pro Boqvist camp uses here is skating speed. Just curious. Whatever formula the poster wants to use to establish their argument is the correct point seems to be the most important stat. im not offering a comparable, just saying you cant compare there stats they arent in the same league so makes literally zero sense to do so. We have no idea what stats bouchard would would put up in boqvists league and vice versa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TGokou Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 1 hour ago, .Naslund said: Just because Bouchard is 6'2 and Boqvist is 5'9, you all are willing to throw away a PROJECTED Erik Karlsson clone for a "good solid, big, meat & potatoes Canadian boy". Boqvist is ONE FULL YEAR YOUNGER than Bouchard. Boqvist represents an amazing amount of potential and over the long run projects to be better than Bouchard. It doesn't matter who's more ready at the moment, we want the defence-man who's going to be a yearly, game-breaking Norris contender. Boqvist has GAME-BREAKING speed, and offensive skills, Bouchard.... makes the safe play sure, but lacks compete, and is slow. Not everyone can improve their skating, sure Bo did, but did Hodgson? Has Boeser improved his skating yet? Correction: Boqvist is 5'11" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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