86Viking Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 Boqvist early on in the playoffs has 5pts in 2gp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.I.A.H.N Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 This top 2 to 6 makes me very confused.... What I hope is that Benning takes the most skilled, fastest and smartest hockey player........... Who ever that might be And if there is no difference between 2 to 6 in potential....take a dman But I have not the foggiest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R3aL Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 2 hours ago, Canuckster86 said: If JB liked Makar last year, good chance he likes Boqvist and takes him in the 2-5 range this draft. Keep that Swedish hockey factory a flowing in Vancouver, the older vets are almost gone, bring in more Swedes. Yea I agree, and especially after the EP pick last year they are probably feeling bullish on their swedish scouting Hope he has a strong showing from now till the draft to win me over officially! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guntrix Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 3 hours ago, Alflives said: Boquist is small, so there is the worry he’s another Jordan Subban, Philip Larsen, or Timothy Littlegren. Whomever JB selects, he can’t afford to miss. You do understand that Subban is 5'9" 185 lbs at 23 years old while Larsen is a 28 year old journeyman taken in the 5th round right? Not sure why you're bunching up Liljegren with them when he's 18 years old 6'0" 192 lbs. I know this horse has been beat to death but people need to remember that Boqvist is one of the youngest players in the draft and 5'11" 170 lbs. By basing an anti-Boqvist argument solely on his size, you're only solidifying why he's an outstanding prospect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flickyoursedin Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 2 hours ago, Canuckster86 said: If JB liked Makar last year, good chance he likes Boqvist and takes him in the 2-5 range this draft. Keep that Swedish hockey factory a flowing in Vancouver, the older vets are almost gone, bring in more Swedes. This post exactly! Boqvist>Makar. I wouldn’t be surprised seeing Benning taking Boqvist 2nd overall. At 2nd I’d like Svechnikov but if Boqvist is his guy Benning probably gets scared about trading down and still getting his guy just like Pettersson last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe_Kerr Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 If we are going off of "Craig's List" that top 6 is pretty sick. We should be pretty stoked if/when we get one of those players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theo5789 Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 6 hours ago, Canuck Surfer said: I just looked at another post, nearly a page of quantified justifications as to how Bouchard's stats suggested he was a higher level performer than Boqvist. It is not that stats are not valid? At all. Allthough that post was not full of truly advanced historical comparisons such as Seal adjusted projections based on age, size and leagues they had played in. The art of the scout versus the analyst is to gauge how his physical skills as displayed will translate. If points themselves are similar, you are pointing out Zadina's are slightly higher, but one guy is dead set faster? I'm suggesting the speed and athletic ability of the superior athlete still probably translates better as a whole. That said, as I watch Zadina more, I am seeing an interesting skill set. I see him as very fast as well in the grand scheme of things. Just not at Nico's elite speed? But what I do see is quickness to make plays in tight, and where there is body contact. In tight as well as making cuts & darting moves to the net. While maintaining puck control & unleashing deadly shots. I wish Jake Virtanen had a bit more of this? Shot yes, but not body control to make moves under pressure. Matthew Tkachuk has some. Corey Perry is a master. Zadina, is probably faster than Tkachuk & Perry. No doubt Zadina also has deadly skills & is an exciting prospect. I cant understate that. I still believe Hischier is the higher ceiling guy. I agree with your perspective. Stats don't tell the whole story and I look at all the advanced stats as nothing more than interesting conversation. There are too many factors involved (eg situations for teams, players adjustment to a new city, team chemistry, injuries, etc) that could alter the course for a player. I bet there could be just as much data out there to prove that you cannot translate a player's junior numbers into NHL standards. I only brought up the 5v5 thing as a suggestion that possibly Zadina can handle more of tighter checking game which the NHL is more along the lines of. Although speed in the current NHL seems to be more of the trend, I don't think Zadina is out of the question in that department either and combine that with his current size and skill, there's a lot of positives in his game that could translate well into the NHL. I like Hischier, but I think Zadina is a heck of a player as well, so I guess we will see who will turn out to be the better player in the end. Both guys carried their teams in the WJC which I like to see at their age showing their compete levels amongst the best in their age group and even older players as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
messier's_elbow Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 Anyone of Dahlin Svech,Zadina,Bouchard,Boqvist,Tkatchuk and Hughes and ill be fine with the pick. I’m going to trust the scouts after the Petterson pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
logic Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 Lmao people on here acting like Bouchard doesn't have skill, the guy has 87 points ffs.. Yes he is older but even if he was draft eligible last year he still would have been a top 20 pick. Boqvist or Bouchard I wont complain. I could see Bouchard being Doughty lite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LegionOfDoom Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 25 minutes ago, messier's_elbow said: Anyone of Dahlin Svech,Zadina,Bouchard,Boqvist,Tkatchuk and Hughes and ill be fine with the pick. I’m going to trust the scouts after the Petterson pick. Watch us take dobson or whalstrom now hahaha the top 10 is just stacked this year. I got so much faith in benning he could go off the board outside the top 3 and I would Be fine with it. The fan base reminding me a lot of he virtanen ehlers nylander year tho, the only way everyone ends up happy is if Dahlin is wearing a canucks uni come June Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derp... Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 1 minute ago, logic said: Lmao people on here acting like Bouchard doesn't have skill, the guy has 87 points ffs.. Yes he is older but even if he was draft eligible last year he still would have been a top 20 pick. Boqvist or Bouchard I wont complain. I could see Bouchard being Doughty lite He has a lot of skill, but the points and goals don't tell the whole story that's all were saying. He could be the best D man in the draft one day, but so could a few other guys that we should consider too. John Carlson had very similar production to Bouchard in his draft year for London. I wouldn't be surprised to see him end up as a player in that mold. 40 point D man on a good team. You know who scored at a similar rate to Boqvist back in the day? Erik Karlsson. Now there's no guarantee, but if I was the Canucks you go with the guy who has the higher upside historically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
logic Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 1 minute ago, Derp... said: He has a lot of skill, but the points and goals don't tell the whole story that's all were saying. He could be the best D man in the draft one day, but so could a few other guys that we should consider too. John Carlson had very similar production to Bouchard in his draft year for London. I wouldn't be surprised to see him end up as a player in that mold. 40 point D man on a good team. You know who scored at a similar rate to Boqvist back in the day? Erik Karlsson. Now there's no guarantee, but if I was the Canucks you go with the guy who has the higher upside historically. Carlson is leading the league in scoring for Dmen right now, I would be happy if Bouchard did that for the Canucks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LegionOfDoom Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 2 hours ago, guntrix said: You do understand that Subban is 5'9" 185 lbs at 23 years old while Larsen is a 28 year old journeyman taken in the 5th round right? Not sure why you're bunching up Liljegren with them when he's 18 years old 6'0" 192 lbs. I know this horse has been beat to death but people need to remember that Boqvist is one of the youngest players in the draft and 5'11" 170 lbs. By basing an anti-Boqvist argument solely on his size, you're only solidifying why he's an outstanding prospect. Pretty much seems like CDC go to is complaining about teenagers size lol. I’m sure Boqvist will be average size 6ft 6 1 190-200lbs when he makes the step to the bigs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 2 hours ago, Derp... said: He has a lot of skill, but the points and goals don't tell the whole story that's all were saying. He could be the best D man in the draft one day, but so could a few other guys that we should consider too. John Carlson had very similar production to Bouchard in his draft year for London. I wouldn't be surprised to see him end up as a player in that mold. 40 point D man on a good team. You know who scored at a similar rate to Boqvist back in the day? Erik Karlsson. Now there's no guarantee, but if I was the Canucks you go with the guy who has the higher upside historically. Problem is...if he doesn't turn into EK... but becomes an average D-man. If you thought people were hard on JB for picking Juolevi, he will be hunk, drawn and quartered if that was going to be.... In saying that, by picking Pettersson, JB showed balls and, by the look of it, good judgement. Which ever player he choses, I'll be behind, as I trust his judgement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 7 hours ago, Isam said: Ya, but can be he play the right side? Lol Bet you, most the female fans at Rogers would say, 'Who cares'.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaudette Celly Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 6 hours ago, messier's_elbow said: Anyone of Dahlin Svech,Zadina,Bouchard,Boqvist,Tkatchuk and Hughes and ill be fine with the pick. I’m going to trust the scouts after the Petterson pick. The encouraging part is they seem to have a good scouting system in place in the USHL/NCAA which should give them a solid view on Tkachuk and Hughes, Gradin has a pretty decent team in Europe, and they undoubtedly have seen Bouchard significantly the past couple years having been liked with Juolevi. Svechnikov and Zadina are near locks at the 2 and 3 anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 6 hours ago, logic said: Lmao people on here acting like Bouchard doesn't have skill, the guy has 87 points ffs.. Yes he is older but even if he was draft eligible last year he still would have been a top 20 pick. Boqvist or Bouchard I wont complain. I could see Bouchard being Doughty lite They're actually the same people that say Boqvist and Hughes will grow. No question they WILL grow But that Bouchards skating is suspect and how you cannot guarantee he'll be able to fix it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Rush17 Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 10 minutes ago, Warhippy said: They're actually the same people that say Boqvist and Hughes will grow. No question they WILL grow But that Bouchards skating is suspect and how you cannot guarantee he'll be able to fix it Who is the better skater? Between Boqvist and Hughes? And what player has better attributes then the other ie strengths and weaknesses? Any Scott neidmeyer type skaters? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 18 minutes ago, Rush17 said: Who is the better skater? Between Boqvist and Hughes? And what player has better attributes then the other ie strengths and weaknesses? Any Scott neidmeyer type skaters? Boqvist is better at shooting, Hughes is slightly faster (though they can both fly). Boqvist is younger (more likely to be bigger). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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