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12 minutes ago, Rush17 said:

Who is the better skater?  Between Boqvist and Hughes? And what player has better attributes then the other ie strengths and weaknesses?  

 

Any Scott neidmeyer type skaters?

I watched a ton of Scotty N playing.  Boqvist and Hughes are better skaters.  But it doesn't mean they'll be 1/4 of Neidermeyer.  I dare say they'd have to be better than anyone here expects for that to happen.  Scott Neidermeyer was an unreal talent but if I recall only broke 50 points 3 or 4 times.  He was just that damned good that points didn't always tell his story. 

 

Boqvist without question looks like Karlsson.  He's just that explosive.  But I STILL question his ability to defend at the NHL level with his penchant for staying back at the blueline and not challenging defenders.  In the NHL you'll get either burnt on the entry or absolutely bulled over

 

Hughes...man I really want to like this kid.  But I cannot ignore his size.  He's possibly a better skater than Boqvist and his stick handling is sublime.  He's also far more aggressive from what I've seen than Boqvist.  But I cannot see him being successful in the NHL without a ton of time in development 

 

Bouchard actually might be an honest comparable to Neidermeyer.  Similar size, similar thought processes.  Neidermeyer is/was the better skater but there's a similar process you can see with the outlet passes and the corner battles between the two

 

A case can be made for any of them depending on how patient a person wants to be with their development.  Hughes is 2-3 years out.  Boqvist 1-2 years out, Bouchard immediately to 1 year

 

All I know is no matter who we draft.  If they're not immediately in the league next year we are going to see the Cap'N hindsight brigade out in full force telling us how they knew missing Tkachuk was a mistake

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17 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

I watched a ton of Scotty N playing.  Boqvist and Hughes are better skaters.  But it doesn't mean they'll be 1/4 of Neidermeyer.  I dare say they'd have to be better than anyone here expects for that to happen.  Scott Neidermeyer was an unreal talent but if I recall only broke 50 points 3 or 4 times.  He was just that damned good that points didn't always tell his story. 

 

Boqvist without question looks like Karlsson.  He's just that explosive.  But I STILL question his ability to defend at the NHL level with his penchant for staying back at the blueline and not challenging defenders.  In the NHL you'll get either burnt on the entry or absolutely bulled over

 

Hughes...man I really want to like this kid.  But I cannot ignore his size.  He's possibly a better skater than Boqvist and his stick handling is sublime.  He's also far more aggressive from what I've seen than Boqvist.  But I cannot see him being successful in the NHL without a ton of time in development 

 

Bouchard actually might be an honest comparable to Neidermeyer.  Similar size, similar thought processes.  Neidermeyer is/was the better skater but there's a similar process you can see with the outlet passes and the corner battles between the two

 

A case can be made for any of them depending on how patient a person wants to be with their development.  Hughes is 2-3 years out.  Boqvist 1-2 years out, Bouchard immediately to 1 year

 

All I know is no matter who we draft.  If they're not immediately in the league next year we are going to see the Cap'N hindsight brigade out in full force telling us how they knew missing Tkachuk was a mistake

I look forward to all the people who are shocked when Tkachuk falls  out of the top 5 this year. I know some people on CDC have him at #2

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6 minutes ago, Canadian Clay said:

I look forward to all the people who are shocked when Tkachuk falls  out of the top 5 this year. I know some people on CDC have him at #2

He may fall but some team will be lucky to pick him up.  He's a top 10 talent for sure and depending on the teams needs when picking him could arguably be a top 5.

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23 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

I watched a ton of Scotty N playing.  Boqvist and Hughes are better skaters.  But it doesn't mean they'll be 1/4 of Neidermeyer.  I dare say they'd have to be better than anyone here expects for that to happen.  Scott Neidermeyer was an unreal talent but if I recall only broke 50 points 3 or 4 times.  He was just that damned good that points didn't always tell his story. 

 

Boqvist without question looks like Karlsson.  He's just that explosive.  But I STILL question his ability to defend at the NHL level with his penchant for staying back at the blueline and not challenging defenders.  In the NHL you'll get either burnt on the entry or absolutely bulled over

 

Hughes...man I really want to like this kid.  But I cannot ignore his size.  He's possibly a better skater than Boqvist and his stick handling is sublime.  He's also far more aggressive from what I've seen than Boqvist.  But I cannot see him being successful in the NHL without a ton of time in development 

 

Bouchard actually might be an honest comparable to Neidermeyer.  Similar size, similar thought processes.  Neidermeyer is/was the better skater but there's a similar process you can see with the outlet passes and the corner battles between the two

 

A case can be made for any of them depending on how patient a person wants to be with their development.  Hughes is 2-3 years out.  Boqvist 1-2 years out, Bouchard immediately to 1 year

 

All I know is no matter who we draft.  If they're not immediately in the league next year we are going to see the Cap'N hindsight brigade out in full force telling us how they knew missing Tkachuk was a mistake

 

24 minutes ago, aGENT said:

Boqvist is better at shooting, Hughes is slightly faster (though they can both fly). Boqvist is younger (more likely to be bigger).

Thanks fellas. Yeah Scotty was a true talent. He was winning cups and playing in the finals when I was a young teen. Use to love watching him play.  He was truly inspiring. Would Hughes be considered more shifty or able to move side to side better or are they on par?  I love NHL defenders today are becoming so fast and agile.  I believe Hughes is putting up better numbers then werenski in his draft year? The kid seems unreal.  Boqvists snipes are insanity.

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1 minute ago, Rush17 said:

 

Thanks fellas. Yeah Scotty was a true talent. He was winning cups and playing in the finals when I was a young teen. Use to love watching him play.  He was truly inspiring. Would Hughes be considered more shifty or able to move side to side better or are they on par?  I love NHL defenders today are becoming so fast and agile.  I believe Hughes is putting up better numbers then werenski in his draft year? The kid seems unreal.  Boqvists snipes are insanity.

Yes he's putting up some solid numbers on a decent team in his first years.  But Werenski had like 3 inches and almost 30 pounds on him during his draft.  Hughes/ lateral and edge work are absolutely fun to watch.  But how does that stand up to an NHL defenseman with almost as good of skating ability but 4 inches and 45 pounds heavier?

 

It really depends on how much you value patience and development.  If this team picked Hughes and management knew he was 3-4 years out for development/school this fan base would be tearing them a new one the day after the draft knowing he won't be in the young stars or at training camp or even in or near the league until 2021

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8 minutes ago, Canadian Clay said:

I look forward to all the people who are shocked when Tkachuk falls  out of the top 5 this year. I know some people on CDC have him at #2

 

Just now, Warhippy said:

He may fall but some team will be lucky to pick him up.  He's a top 10 talent for sure and depending on the teams needs when picking him could arguably be a top 5.

Could you imagine he slides and Calgary manages to get him.  Ray Ferraro had him at 2. I believe a big part of his climb was from his clutch WJC performance. Problem with using that as a measuring stick is its easier to do things like that when your young and don't know the rigors of the NHL. I could see the NHL being a tough cookie for him to chew. If that is the case he might lose that clutch skill and return to the ground.  I think he's around 4 or 5 imo.  Maybe he slides more but I can't see him going ahead of Svech and Zadina unless buffalo wants him for his intangibles. He would fit Buffalo's team well and add some skill and pushback.  That is one thing buffalo is sorely lacking. They just "call it in" sometimes. Having a skilled 2 way guy who can cause a spark would do wonders in their core.

 

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Just now, Rush17 said:

 

Could you imagine he slides and Calgary manages to get him.  Ray Ferraro had him at 2. I believe a big part of his climb was from his clutch WJC performance. Problem with using that as a measuring stick is its easier to do things like that when your young and don't know the rigors of the NHL. I could see the NHL being a tough cookie for him to chew. If that is the case he might lose that clutch skill and return to the ground.  I think he's around 4 or 5 imo.  Maybe he slides more but I can't see him going ahead of Svech and Zadina unless buffalo wants him for his intangibles. He would fit Buffalo's team well and add some skill and pushback.  That is one thing buffalo is sorely lacking. They just "call it in" sometimes. Having a skilled 2 way guy who can cause a spark would do wonders in their core.

 

Oh man if he went to Calgary that would be awesome to watch.  Matt Tkachuk and Brady Tkachuk would be a serious force to....oh wait, wait sorry

 

Burke pulled a Burke and saw Calgary do a Burke by pulling the trigger two years too early based on 1 half decent year and now Tkachuk might go to the Islanders this year with what is currently the 12th overall pick

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2 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

Yes he's putting up some solid numbers on a decent team in his first years.  But Werenski had like 3 inches and almost 30 pounds on him during his draft.  Hughes/ lateral and edge work are absolutely fun to watch.  But how does that stand up to an NHL defenseman with almost as good of skating ability but 4 inches and 45 pounds heavier?

 

It really depends on how much you value patience and development.  If this team picked Hughes and management knew he was 3-4 years out for development/school this fan base would be tearing them a new one the day after the draft knowing he won't be in the young stars or at training camp or even in or near the league until 2021

My preference is for someone who can play this upcoming season or the next at the latest.  Svech, Boqvist, Zadina possibly Bouchard might fit this.

 

If Bouchard is lacking compete though I suspect he might get the Jake Virtanen treatment and be given lots of time in the ahl. If you get a top 3 pick let's get one without work effort issues so it's less of a talking point and frustration for the media/fans.

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1 minute ago, Warhippy said:

Oh man if he went to Calgary that would be awesome to watch.  Matt Tkachuk and Brady Tkachuk would be a serious force to....oh wait, wait sorry

 

Burke pulled a Burke and saw Calgary do a Burke by pulling the trigger two years too early based on 1 half decent year and now Tkachuk might go to the Islanders this year with what is currently the 12th overall pick

That would be hilarious. Forgot they gave up that pick lol.  Maybe CGY would send 18 year old disappointment Sam Bennett their way to try and nab that pick. (Bennett ++)

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Just now, Rush17 said:

My preference is for someone who can play this upcoming season or the next at the latest.  Svech, Boqvist, Zadina possibly Bouchard might fit this.

 

If Bouchard is lacking compete though I suspect he might get the Jake Virtanen treatment and be given lots of time in the ahl. If you get a top 3 pick let's get one without work effort issues so it's less of a talking point and frustration for the media/fans.

I see Hughes as 3-4 years.  Boqvist as 2-3 years and Bouchard as immediate or 1 year.

 

All based on size, school or league eligibility and our need to show off a shiny new prospect.

 

Bouchard would be the most logical to slot in immediately based on his size, his being an RHD and Juolevi's former partner

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6 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

I see Hughes as 3-4 years.  Boqvist as 2-3 years and Bouchard as immediate or 1 year.

 

All based on size, school or league eligibility and our need to show off a shiny new prospect.

 

Bouchard would be the most logical to slot in immediately based on his size, his being an RHD and Juolevi's former partner

The other thing about Bouchard is if he isn’t in the NHL next year, he has to go back to junior. The biggest complaint about him is his lack of compete, and I don’t think sending him back to a league where we has dominated offensively is the best way to get him to up his compete level. It’d be way better to have him in the system so that the Canucks have the ability to properly develop him, but he’s too young to go to the AHL next year, which would be ideal for him. If I’m looking to draft Bouchard, I’m looking at his development path and realizing there’s a risk he won’t progress next year if he’s not NHL ready

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34 minutes ago, Canadian Clay said:

The other thing about Bouchard is if he isn’t in the NHL next year, he has to go back to junior. The biggest complaint about him is his lack of compete, and I don’t think sending him back to a league where we has dominated offensively is the best way to get him to up his compete level. It’d be way better to have him in the system so that the Canucks have the ability to properly develop him, but he’s too young to go to the AHL next year, which would be ideal for him. If I’m looking to draft Bouchard, I’m looking at his development path and realizing there’s a risk he won’t progress next year if he’s not NHL ready

Virtanen 2.0.  

 

At least with Adam he's already playing overseas

 

 

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36 minutes ago, Canadian Clay said:

The other thing about Bouchard is if he isn’t in the NHL next year, he has to go back to junior. The biggest complaint about him is his lack of compete, and I don’t think sending him back to a league where we has dominated offensively is the best way to get him to up his compete level. It’d be way better to have him in the system so that the Canucks have the ability to properly develop him, but he’s too young to go to the AHL next year, which would be ideal for him. If I’m looking to draft Bouchard, I’m looking at his development path and realizing there’s a risk he won’t progress next year if he’s not NHL ready

Send him to Timra

 

I'm half joking. I think europe would be better for him than junior if he isn't NHL ready. But I prefer Boqvist.

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Button has Hughes outside the top 10 at 12, interesting. Even has Bode Wilde ahead of Hughes at 11. Wonder if that's size related.

 

Bouchard has 87 points in 67 games this season. Juolevi had 84 points in 110+ games in his time there. The more I hear about Bouchard the more on board I am with him. He might suffer from the same problem most Juniors have. Too good for Junior, not quite ready for the NHL. There's not much more he can do there. From the sounds of it he is already playing pretty much half the game. Lol.

 

Tkachuk ahead of Svechnikov and Zadina has me questioning things too. Name brand means a lot in the NHL though so I can see why. 

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2 hours ago, Warhippy said:

I watched a ton of Scotty N playing.  Boqvist and Hughes are better skaters.  But it doesn't mean they'll be 1/4 of Neidermeyer.  I dare say they'd have to be better than anyone here expects for that to happen.  Scott Neidermeyer was an unreal talent but if I recall only broke 50 points 3 or 4 times.  He was just that damned good that points didn't always tell his story. 

 

Boqvist without question looks like Karlsson.  He's just that explosive.  But I STILL question his ability to defend at the NHL level with his penchant for staying back at the blueline and not challenging defenders.  In the NHL you'll get either burnt on the entry or absolutely bulled over

 

Hughes...man I really want to like this kid.  But I cannot ignore his size.  He's possibly a better skater than Boqvist and his stick handling is sublime.  He's also far more aggressive from what I've seen than Boqvist.  But I cannot see him being successful in the NHL without a ton of time in development 

 

Bouchard actually might be an honest comparable to Neidermeyer.  Similar size, similar thought processes.  Neidermeyer is/was the better skater but there's a similar process you can see with the outlet passes and the corner battles between the two

 

A case can be made for any of them depending on how patient a person wants to be with their development.  Hughes is 2-3 years out.  Boqvist 1-2 years out, Bouchard immediately to 1 year

 

All I know is no matter who we draft.  If they're not immediately in the league next year we are going to see the Cap'N hindsight brigade out in full force telling us how they knew missing Tkachuk was a mistake

It won’t matter who we pick, someone will find fault in it.  Even if we get Dahlin people will bitch. 

 

I like your assessment of the three players. 

 

My concern for Bomqvist and Hughes is in playing defence. Bouchard is in his skating. 

 

Really, this team just needs Dahlin perhaps more than any other club in the NHL. In some alternative universe I hope to get Dahlin and then trade Tanev for another first and walk away with Bouchard or Hayton (love the name, made for ourteam) as a two way center too. Our defence would be rebuilt and set for a decade or more.  

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2 hours ago, Warhippy said:

All I know is no matter who we draft.  If they're not immediately in the league next year we are going to see the Cap'N hindsight brigade out in full force telling us how they knew missing Tkachuk was a mistake

Who cares? Hater gonna hate. Whiners gonna whine. I hope this management keeps giving them the middle finger ::D I couldn't honestly care less that a bunch of ignorant fans can't looks past the end of their noses. Their building what they feel is the best team, they're not playing a game of 'who can get to the NHL the fastest'.

 

2 hours ago, Canadian Clay said:

The other thing about Bouchard is if he isn’t in the NHL next year, he has to go back to junior. The biggest complaint about him is his lack of compete, and I don’t think sending him back to a league where we has dominated offensively is the best way to get him to up his compete level. It’d be way better to have him in the system so that the Canucks have the ability to properly develop him, but he’s too young to go to the AHL next year, which would be ideal for him. If I’m looking to draft Bouchard, I’m looking at his development path and realizing there’s a risk he won’t progress next year if he’s not NHL ready

 

That's a good point. Never mind the IMO superior skill set, younger age (with more time to improve, add size etc) and that he's already playing against men at 17 but yes, Boqvist's ability to continue to play in a men's league next yeay likely also means a better development path as well.

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4 minutes ago, Eastcoast meets Westcoast said:

It won’t matter who we pick, someone will find fault in it.  Even if we get Dahlin people will bitch. 

 

I like your assessment of the three players. 

 

My concern for Bomqvist and Hughes is in playing defence. Bouchard is in his skating. 

 

Really, this team just needs Dahlin perhaps more than any other club in the NHL. In some alternative universe I hope to get Dahlin and then trade Tanev for another first and walk away with Bouchard or Haytter too. Our defence would be rebuilt and set for a decade or more.  

Umm... no... I don't think so...

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37 minutes ago, aGENT said:

Who cares? Hater gonna hate. Whiners gonna whine. I hope this management keeps giving them the middle finger ::D I couldn't honestly care less that a bunch of ignorant fans can't looks pat the end of their noses. Their building what they feel is the best team, they're not playing a game of 'who can get to the NHL the fastest'.

 

Caucks win 1st overall pick.  Draft Dahlin.  Keep Dahlin and Petterson overseas for just 1 more year

 

TSN, Botchford, Sportsnet and Cherry all lose their collective minds while this fan base implodes

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