Gaudette Celly Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 2 minutes ago, NUCKER67 said: Orr, Coffey and Virtanen "one of these things is not like the others..." lol Kind of like Howe, Gretzky and Megna. lol Talking SPECIFICALLY about the skating. Wow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker 67 Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 Just now, Hutton Wink said: Talking SPECIFICALLY about the skating. Wow. I know, just kidding around. I saw Virtanen there in such high company and it just didn't look right. At least not yet. He could still turn out to be a beast. I do agree that he has speed and size. Great combination. I wonder who else in the league is comparable to Jake? Lucic has size, but he's slow as molasses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smithers joe Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 scouts are saying, keep an eye on serron noel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 28 minutes ago, smithers joe said: scouts are saying, keep an eye on serron noel. Absolutely, I just mentioned him on the previous page I think. Raw talent, but man there’s some real potential for this kid to be dominant player. Size (6’5”, 200), skating that’s improved leaps and bounds, physical play (although he could stand to be more aggressive and use his size to even more advantage), and a wealth of skill that just needs to be honed and put together (not that he isn’t already impressive—just could be even more). Here’s his recent “Seer” highlight video: Also, watch for #21 in that video. If you haven’t seen (Canucks 2017 pick) Matt Brassard much, there are a couple clips where he also shows pretty well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odd. Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 14 hours ago, logic said: Lmao people on here acting like Bouchard doesn't have skill, the guy has 87 points ffs.. Yes he is older but even if he was draft eligible last year he still would have been a top 20 pick. Boqvist or Bouchard I wont complain. I could see Bouchard being Doughty lite Doesn't matter how you look at it, the guy has 87 points as a defenseman, in his draft year. That alone is top 10 worthy. I cant remember the last time a defenseman put up that many points in his draft year. The fact that he actually increased his scoring by nearly double since London traded away all their talent speaks for itself. The guy can be a difference maker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
logic Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 1 minute ago, Odd. said: Doesn't matter how you look at it, the guy has 87 points as a defenseman, in his draft year. That alone is top 10 worthy. I cant remember the last time a defenseman put up that many points in his draft year. The fact that he actually increased his scoring by nearly double since London traded away all their talent speaks for itself. The guy can be a difference maker. Mans has the same amount of points that Kole Lind did last year while being a late birthday as well.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R3aL Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 8 hours ago, Rush17 said: hope it goes OT with buff with the win! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesB Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 29 minutes ago, NUCKER67 said: Orr, Coffey and Virtanen "one of these things is not like the others..." lol Kind of like Howe, Gretzky and Megna. lol 22 minutes ago, NUCKER67 said: I know, just kidding around. I saw Virtanen there in such high company and it just didn't look right. At least not yet. He could still turn out to be a beast. I do agree that he has speed and size. Great combination. I wonder who else in the league is comparable to Jake? Lucic has size, but he's slow as molasses. Right, Even if we saw a statement like "Orr, Coffey and Virtanen all drive the ball a long way off the tee" it would look weird. It might be true, but it is sort of like political campaigns where the local schmuck of a candidate appears in a photograph with some high flyers from his or her political party -- trying to create some sort of halo effect for the local guy. You are also right about Jake's combination of speed, size, and strength, not to mention a hard shot. It is a puzzle that he has not been a lot more successful than he has. The answer is of course the mental game ("hockey IQ", consistency, etc.). Maybe Jake will put things together, but this example and many others show the importance of various "intangibles" like attitude and various other aspects of the mental game in the draft. As for this year, there is so much attention paid to the top players that it does not make a lot of sense for casual fans (or even serious fans) to have strong "off the board" proposals. This year the top 4 seem pretty clear, maybe the top 5, and I don't expect a lot of deviation (Dahlin, Svechnikov, Zadina, Tkachuk, probably Boqvist). I certainly hope the Canucks pick in that group. After the top 5 it is more iffy but with Bouchard, Hughes and Dobson all in the mix, I expect the Canucks to get a D if they pick below #5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 9 minutes ago, Odd. said: Doesn't matter how you look at it, the guy has 87 points as a defenseman, in his draft year. That alone is top 10 worthy. I cant remember the last time a defenseman put up that many points in his draft year. Funnily enough Ellis probably was the last D to put up 87+ points in his draft year. He went 11th overall. DeAngelo put up 71 points in 51 games (which is a higher p/gp) and he went 19th overall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GB5 Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 1 hour ago, ForsbergTheGreat said: Chistov was picked 16 years, aleexev was picked 17 year ago. Scouting has changed quite a bit in that time frame. In 2000, 11 of the top 20 players didn’t ever play 200 nhl games Id say that’s a poor draft year. Seems like you got the cherry picking down pat. Im sure that the flyer 2015 are ok with drafting a Russian in the top 10. You want facts. nhl goals leader = Russian Nhl points leader = Russian 2nd place nhl points leader = Russian. Tied for first in nhl wins = Russian I guess you didn't really read my post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Boudreau Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 50 minutes ago, Hutton Wink said: Hughes has that buttery-smooth skating that looks so effortless. A couple of strides and he just glides yet is at a different speed than anyone else -- Orr, Coffey, and Virtanen are three examples of it. Once they start moving nobody catches them. For once I agree with you. I love Quinn Hughes he is a great skater and actually likes to carry the puck himself rather than just move it up. Reminds me of Nick Leddy both undersized top 4 offensive dmen. Pair them with a stay at home defensive anchor like Tanev and you are set. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker 67 Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 16 minutes ago, smithers joe said: scouts are saying, keep an eye on serron noel. Thinking he'll be a mid to late 1st rounder. I wonder if Benning is going to try and get a second 1st? I don't really research beyond the first round, just too many players, not enough time. I'm more curious about: if the Canucks get a high pick and have to make a choice between Zadina or Boqvist, for example. Damn, it would be tough to pass up on Zadina, but geez the Canucks need a offensive Dman who can score a lot more than Stecher and Hutton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker 67 Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 Had an idea (maybe not a good one though) Say, 3 teams leap frog the top 3 again, putting VAN at #4 and ARI at #5 to ARI: 4th OA and Tanev to VAN: 5th OA and Chychrun Canucks still get a Top 5 (Tkachuk or Wahlstrom?), plus their offensive Dman. Pettersson - Horvat - Boeser Dahlen - Tkachuk/Wahlstrom - Lind Goldobin - Gaudette - Virtanen x Edler - Gudbranson Juolevi - Stecher Chychrun - Pouliot Chatfield oh heck, okay, maybe Chychrun isn't the ideal offensive Dman, but just an example of trying to get an offensive D by way of trade instead of drafting him and waiting 3-5 years for him to develop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 24 minutes ago, ForsbergTheGreat said: Funnily enough Ellis probably was the last D to put up 87+ points in his draft year. He went 11th overall. DeAngelo put up 71 points in 51 games (which is a higher p/gp) and he went 19th overall. Well? He has more size? There is that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharbinder Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 1 hour ago, Hutton Wink said: Hughes has that buttery-smooth skating that looks so effortless. A couple of strides and he just glides yet is at a different speed than anyone else -- Orr, Coffey, and Virtanen are three examples of it. Once they start moving nobody catches them. Odd that you lumped these 3 together, as I have been advocating for the Canucks to move Virtanen to DEF for the last year. He could be everything the Canucks want Gudbranson to be. He won fastest backward skater in his draft year, which included De'Angelo / Ekblad / Ehlers / Larkin / Honka. (all very mobile skaters) His skating is perfect in every way, & he can finish hits down low with forwards along the boards or entering the zone. He has a bomb of a shot, which he hasn't been able to figure out the accuracy inside the dots. Giving him the ability to use it more from the point would add another threat, say if Boeser & him were both on the ice. His skating ability allows him to also bring the puck out of the zone himself, also his first pass has drastically improved since being drafted. Being an opposing forward, he is not the guy you want to come in on. - end of short off topic rant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KKnight Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 40 minutes ago, sharbinder said: Odd that you lumped these 3 together, as I have been advocating for the Canucks to move Virtanen to DEF for the last year. He could be everything the Canucks want Gudbranson to be. He won fastest backward skater in his draft year, which included De'Angelo / Ekblad / Ehlers / Larkin / Honka. (all very mobile skaters) His skating is perfect in every way, & he can finish hits down low with forwards along the boards or entering the zone. He has a bomb of a shot, which he hasn't been able to figure out the accuracy inside the dots. Giving him the ability to use it more from the point would add another threat, say if Boeser & him were both on the ice. His skating ability allows him to also bring the puck out of the zone himself, also his first pass has drastically improved since being drafted. Being an opposing forward, he is not the guy you want to come in on. - end of short off topic rant. Adding to this. Jake is almost plus 20 in takeaways this season. He hasnt been the 6th overall pick we have expected to this point, but he is making big improvements to his game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheYjUstMaKeYoUwooZy Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 9 hours ago, aGENT said: I have a feeling both players will make that an all but impossible task I almost don't dare to dream we actually win the Dahlin lotto but by Gordie we're due and we sure could use him. I cant imagine how different this team would look next year with Dahlin, Gaudette, Petterson and possibly OJ. It would seriously be a dream come true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyman109 Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 23 hours ago, TGokou said: Correction: Boqvist is 5'11" You obviously didn’t listen to Craig Button yesterday. He agrees with Bouchard at 2. Better d man than Boqvust imho scores as much better defensively and smartest player in OHL. We disagree Im ok with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
messier's_elbow Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 13 hours ago, Rush17 said: Who is the better skater? Between Boqvist and Hughes? And what player has better attributes then the other ie strengths and weaknesses? Any Scott neidmeyer type skaters? Hughes is one of the best skaters I’ve ever seen. His only knocks are size and his shot isn’t that great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rollieo Del Fuego Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 ...OK... ...I am making the call now... ....I think there has been a side deal with U Bett man... ...If we can fall too last ... he calls our ball... Dahlin is going to be our first ever...first ...ever... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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