Alflives Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, Bure_Pavel said: Im not too sold on Klefbom think he will be a serviceable number 4 guy, I would rather have Gudbranson in a playoff series to be honest. Guddy is a far better player than Klefbomb. And yes, especially in the playoffs, where he's a proven stud, minute muncher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 6 minutes ago, Bure_Pavel said: Im not too sold on Klefbom think he will be a serviceable number 4 guy, I would rather have Gudbranson in a playoff series to be honest. Klefbom is a 40 point D. The previous season he scored 2 less goals than gudbranson has scored in his entire career totals. I like gudbranson and think he’s a good leader but klefbom is as strong defensive (if not better) and significantly better offensively than guddy. At a 4 million $ cap. I’d take klefbom every day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 9 hours ago, Canuck Surfer said: Yeah & so what JP & KY have not lubed it yet big time in the NHL? It takes time to get there. Its a lot of talent & promise. Pool party is a full year younger than Boeser, 2 compared to Jake & has near 100 games in the NHL. He's on track. Even if many are impatient. Maybe we, in Vancouver will have a better top 6? But maybe not. Boeser is also off to a great start, but no answer for McDavid. And there is zero guarantee's, as promising as he is, that Pettersson will be in that league either. Teams will run over Leipsic in our top 6 on the same logic you preach. But Pettersson might as well? I don't agree with it for either team. Keep calm & carry on. Agree that I doubt EDM gives up on Poolparty this soon. He's taking a 'normal' amount of development time vs the accelerated pace I think people are getting far too used to from a few high profile guys. 'Normal' prospects usually take 2-4 years to establish themselves in the NHL folks. Let alone in to top producing players. The guys that nail it in years D+1-2 are the exception, not the rule. As for who will have a better top 6 (or 9 for that matter), it's hard to say given how different our rebuilds have been. They have like a decade on us for rebuilding and FAR more lotto luck thus far and one of the top players in the league. We've had a few years of largely mid top 10 picks but generally better drafting/development outside of that. Most of their key guys are already in the NHL (decade head start), ours are largely still prospects. Benning and Co. have a LOT of work to do this summer IMO. They need to move some of the log jam of excess 'middle 6' forwards and left D depth either for more picks and/or upgrades or fill other holes. I'd also like to see us target Roussel (Dorsett replacement) and either Kane (UFA) or a guy like Jenner (trade). Which would likely keep Leipsic out of our top 6 FWIW (not that we're likely to have a traditional top 6 with Sutter's line likely getting 2nd line minutes but not really usage). If they can get value for Tanev (and plug that hole with a warm body), by all means that should be looked at as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bure_Pavel Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 4 minutes ago, ForsbergTheGreat said: Klefbom is a 40 point D. The previous season he scored 2 less goals than gudbranson has scored in his entire career totals. I like gudbranson and think he’s a good leader but klefbom is as strong defensive (if not better) and significantly better offensively than guddy. At a 4 million $ cap. I’d take klefbom every day. Klefbom is no where near as good defensively as Gudbranson and Gubranson does not play in an offensive role or have a McDavid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 29 minutes ago, Alflives said: The Oilers need forwards who play in straight lines, don't flee the dzone, and think more than just offense. so.... Sutter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 9 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said: so.... Sutter? We're not trading Sutter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 19 minutes ago, Bure_Pavel said: Klefbom is no where near as good defensively as Gudbranson and Gubranson does not play in an offensive role or have a McDavid. Sorry but take off the homer glasses. Gudbransons career high is 13 points. He’s not in an offensive role because he’s terrible offensively. Klefbom is as good if not better than guddy in the D zone. there was a time where klefbom was thought of future shutdown D. He is extremely effective in the defensive zone. It wasn’t until the aqcuired Larsson that he started getting more ozone starts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bure_Pavel Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 6 minutes ago, ForsbergTheGreat said: Sorry but take off the homer glasses. Gudbransons career high is 13 points. He’s not in an offensive role because he’s terrible offensively. Klefbom is as good if not better than guddy in the D zone. there was a time where klefbom was thought of future shutdown D. He is extremely effective in the defensive zone. It wasn’t until the aqcuired Larsson that he started getting more ozone starts. Just curious if you became an Oilers fan right after they drafted McDavid or did you wait a year to let it sink in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 28 minutes ago, aGENT said: We're not trading Sutter who said trade? we were talking "need" - we'd never get his full value from Edmonton anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 25 minutes ago, Bure_Pavel said: Just curious if you became an Oilers fan right after they drafted McDavid or did you wait a year to let it sink in? Just curious. Do you watch hockey outside of Vancouver or do you limit your understanding of the sport to one city? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bure_Pavel Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 15 minutes ago, ForsbergTheGreat said: Just curious. Do you watch hockey outside of Vancouver or do you limit your understanding of the sport to one city? Ya I watch other teams, I just dont have posters of them on my walls. Go Nucks! As far as the draft goes hoping we get a Dman better than any of the Oilers current D and that none of the top D dont drop to them at 10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Bure_Pavel said: Ya I watch other teams, I just dont have posters of them on my walls. Go Nucks! Neither do i, what kind of grown adult has posters on there wall anyways. being a fan of a team doesn’t mean you automatically become unaware of other teams players and or appreciate there skillset. after all players get traded all the time. Being a fan also doesn’t me you all of the sudden value your own players over others simply because of the jersey they wear. I would gladly take klefbom on our team. 1 minute ago, Bure_Pavel said: As far as the draft goes hoping we get a Dman better than any of the Oilers current D and that none of the top D dont drop to them at 10. I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 1 hour ago, Jimmy McGill said: so.... Sutter? I’d trade sutter for RNH straight up. Then sign beagle this summer and we’d be laughing with all our center depth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 3 hours ago, Bure_Pavel said: Klefbom is no where near as good defensively as Gudbranson and Gubranson does not play in an offensive role or have a McDavid. Though I agree, Klefbom is a pretty under rated dman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blömqvist Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 2 hours ago, ForsbergTheGreat said: I’d trade sutter for RNH straight up. Then sign beagle this summer and we’d be laughing with all our center depth. I doubt Edmonton would trade RNH for Sutter straight up. I could see them entertain an offer of... EDM: Sutter + 7th overall pick VAN: RNH + 10th overall pick The difference in value between the 10th and 7th overall selections is probably worth a 2nd round pick to begin with, and then you add the cap savings and that Sutter will be their dedicated shutdown centreman. They would also be in a better position to draft one of the top defenseman in Hughes, Boqvist, Bouchard, or Dobson. The Canucks on the other hand would get a top-6 Centre and would still be in a position to draft a top player if he falls and at the least have our pick of Kotkaniemi, Smith, or Veleno. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noble 6 Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 1) Dahlin --------------- 2) Svechnikov --------------- 3) Zadina 4) Hughes 5) Bouchard 6) Boqvist ---------------- 7) Kotkaniemi 8) Smtih 9) Wahlstrom 10) Dobson 11) Tkachuk --------------- 12) Velano 13) Kaut 14) Lundestrom 15) Farabee - The only reason Boqvist dropped a spot for me is because of his concussions. I'm not sure about those comments Button made about him not responding to pressure as he had his best game (2 goals and almost a hat trick) against Canada at the U18's. - I think those 3 defensemen have separated themselves from the rest and deserve their own tier. The upside is really high with each of them and they all have some stand out abilities. - I think Wahlstrom will be a good player, but getting the opportunity to get a defenseman/center with similar levels of potential bumps him down for me. I think it's very unlikely he plays center at the next level and I value centers and defensemen a lot more. I would have very mixed feelings if we drafted him simply because we would leave a defenseman on the board. - I also think Dobson will be a good player in the NHL, but I don't think he has the same ceiling as those ahead of him. Hughes, Boqvist and to a lesser extent Bouchard and Smith are much more dynamic with the puck in all areas. Dobson doesn't even run the powerplay for his team, where as Hughes runs it as the youngest player in the NCAA. I think he'll be a very solid player along the lines of Myers or Paryako, which is pretty valuable, but not as valuable as what the others could become. - I'm starting to like Velano more and more as someone who can drive play with his skating, skill and tenacity. He makes others around him better and can play in any situation. Often times he looks at his best on the penalty kill. - Kaut is someone who could surprise at the draft in regards to how high he's taken. He posted better numbers than Necas did in his draft year and is playing in the Czech men's league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 8 hours ago, Hutton Wink said: I would take the Canucks' roster and prospect pool over the Oilers', easily. Fair enough. This is a Canucks forum after all. But it is a Canuck colored view. McDavid and Draisaitl are top line talent on virtually every team in the league. And you were scoffing at RNH at scoring 50 to 60 points? It leads many NHL teams in scoring. A legit, not elite, top line figure. It would have led us in scoring the last few years for example. My point is that you're just talking down the Oilers. I was just taking the logical view. But I'm not an Oiler fan. Have at it if it makes you feel good I guess? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 5 hours ago, aGENT said: Benning and Co. have a LOT of work to do this summer IMO. They need to move some of the log jam of excess 'middle 6' forwards and left D depth either for more picks and/or upgrades or fill other holes. I'd also like to see us target Roussel (Dorsett replacement) and either Kane (UFA) or a guy like Jenner (trade). Which would likely keep Leipsic out of our top 6 FWIW (not that we're likely to have a traditional top 6 with Sutter's line likely getting 2nd line minutes but not really usage). I disagree on this approach. Because we have 2 or 3 guys competing for a 2knd line LW for example? You are suggesting we project who will be best & trade off the balance... I like LA's approach from circa 2009. They were starting to develop a lot of players who were commanding a spot on the roster. They waited another year until they had more depth than they could handle. And it was also fairly obvious how good their prospects were? So they could get a premium when they had more than they could place on their team. I don't think you can say that with Goldobin, Leipsic, even Dahlen yet. Nor are any, same with our left D, ready to grab key roles. We should let that play out first. You could trade the wrong guy for a 2knd or 4th round pick. When we have too many guys, example there is no place on the roster for Dahlen & he deserves it, trade a Leipsic or Baer, sure... 5 hours ago, aGENT said: If they can get value for Tanev (and plug that hole with a warm body), by all means that should be looked at as well. People have been saying this for years. Tanev is being made into the new Ballard by CDC. Dissapointing. Our D sucks, and would sulk worse without Chris. And we don't have a replacement. I suppose I would accept a warm body if we could get value for Tanev. But it is getting to be such a tired mantra here & that trade has never surfaced... The time to trade will be the deadline 2020, with Boqvist or Dobson getting close to busting onto our roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 3 minutes ago, Canuck Surfer said: I disagree on this approach. Because we have 2 or 3 guys competing for a 2knd line LW for example? You are suggesting we project who will be best & trade off the balance... Hey, I'm just going off what management has said. Evidently they intend to target UFA's this summer while avoiding the big ticket guys (Tavares and Carlsson). AKA mid range guys. I could easily see them targeting a guy like Roussel to replace some of what Dorsett brought. We've already got more guys than room for them. PLUS kids pushing for spots PLUS those apparent UFA's. There isn't going to be room for all of them. It's pretty basic math. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noble 6 Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 32 minutes ago, Canuck Surfer said: Fair enough. This is a Canucks forum after all. But it is a Canuck colored view. McDavid and Draisaitl are top line talent on virtually every team in the league. And you were scoffing at RNH at scoring 50 to 60 points? It leads many NHL teams in scoring. A legit, not elite, top line figure. It would have led us in scoring the last few years for example. My point is that you're just talking down the Oilers. I was just taking the logical view. But I'm not an Oiler fan. Have at it if it makes you feel good I guess? I don't know if it's more in a joking manner or pure ignorance (probably joking), but a lot of people can't seem to comprehend that other teams have nice toys too. Some even nicer than what the Canucks have. I'm not saying Edmonton (or anyone else) is perfect, but saying that it'll be easy for other teams to deal with McDavid and Draisaitl in the future is pretty ludicrous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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