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1 minute ago, aGENT said:

We've already got more guys than room for them. PLUS kids pushing for spots PLUS those apparent UFA's. There isn't going to be room for all of them. It's pretty basic math.

I've done the math.  And included for injuries, not just a perfect roster scenario where no one gets, or is hurt. Even if we had the Twins, we could have grabbed a hired gun. Be it Vanek, Roussell (whom I like) or Kane (do as well)...  

 

There would have been room for both Gaudette & Pettersson. And a fringe guy might have end up on waivers. But there was room.  Now without the Twins Leipsic & Motte are pencilled in versus fighting for jobs. I don't think that is high end at all.  

 

By all means hire two, even three UFA's if one is a PTO. You can even send a Gaudette to Utica to protect the roster. 

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5 minutes ago, Horvat is a Boss said:

 

I don't know if it's more in a joking manner or pure ignorance (probably joking), but a lot of people can't seem to comprehend that other teams have nice toys too. Some even nicer than what the Canucks have. 

 

I'm not saying Edmonton (or anyone else) is perfect, but saying that it'll be easy for other teams to deal with McDavid and Draisaitl in the future is pretty ludicrous. 

With Edmonton for the last 6 years i've been saying their going to be a scary team in 2 years time, and they always find a way to mess it up. They have had 4 1st overall picks, including the best player since crosby, they should be a dynasty but they are not. Its gotten to a point where im not really even scared of them anymore, ive cried wolf too many times. 

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7 minutes ago, Bure_Pavel said:

With Edmonton for the last 6 years i've been saying their going to be a scary team in 2 years time, and they always find a way to mess it up. They have had 4 1st overall picks, including the best player since crosby, they should be a dynasty but they are not. Its gotten to a point where im not really even scared of them anymore, ive cried wolf too many times. 

 

Fair enough, but that doesn't mean they don't have some nice pieces right now. Whether they work out or not is a different story. 

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1 hour ago, Horvat is a Boss said:

1) Dahlin

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2) Svechnikov

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3) Zadina

4) Hughes

5) Bouchard

6) Boqvist

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7) Kotkaniemi

8) Smtih

9) Wahlstrom

10) Dobson

11) Tkachuk

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12) Velano

13) Kaut

14) Lundestrom

15) Farabee

 

- The only reason Boqvist dropped a spot for me is because of his concussions. I'm not sure about those comments Button made about him not responding to pressure as he had his best game (2 goals and almost a hat trick) against Canada at the U18's. 

- I think those 3 defensemen have separated themselves from the rest and deserve their own tier. The upside is really high with each of them and they all have some stand out abilities. 

- I think Wahlstrom will be a good player, but getting the opportunity to get a defenseman/center with similar levels of potential bumps him down for me. I think it's very unlikely he plays center at the next level and I value centers and defensemen a lot more. I would have very mixed feelings if we drafted him simply because we would leave a defenseman on the board. 

- I also think Dobson will be a good player in the NHL, but I don't think he has the same ceiling as those ahead of him. Hughes, Boqvist and to a lesser extent Bouchard and Smith are much more dynamic with the puck in all areas. Dobson doesn't even run the powerplay for his team, where as Hughes runs it as the youngest player in the NCAA. I think he'll be a very solid player along the lines of Myers or Paryako, which is pretty valuable, but not as valuable as what the others could become. 

- I'm starting to like Velano more and more as someone who can drive play with his skating, skill and tenacity. He makes others around him better and can play in any situation. Often times he looks at his best on the penalty kill. 

- Kaut is someone who could surprise at the draft in regards to how high he's taken. He posted better numbers than Necas did in his draft year and is playing in the Czech men's league. 

While I am getting slightly tired of seeing the same prospects displayed in different order.....I wouldn’t be surprised at all to see the Canucks choose Kotkaniemi with the seventh pick. It just reeks of a Benning choice.

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18 minutes ago, Horvat is a Boss said:

 

Fair enough, but that doesn't mean they don't have some nice pieces right now. Whether they work out or not is a different story. 

For me off their current roster my core would be McDavid, Draisaitl, Pool Party, Larsson, Nurse, Nuge, Caggiula, and Bear, with the rest being expendable.  

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1 hour ago, Canuck Surfer said:

Fair enough. This is a Canucks forum after all. 

 

But it is a Canuck colored view. McDavid and Draisaitl are top line talent on virtually every team in the league.  And you were scoffing at RNH at scoring 50 to 60 points? It leads many NHL teams in scoring. A legit, not elite, top line figure. It would have led us in scoring the last few years for example.

 

My point is that you're just talking down the Oilers. I was just taking the logical view. But I'm not an Oiler fan. Have at it if it makes you feel good I guess?

Point being, the guys surrounding those two are nothing special -- two not yet and one a has-been.  RNH is a decent player, but he's a solid sikkind line C, not a legit 1C.  In fact, he he's never hit 60 points and hasn't reached 50 the last three seasons including this year despite significant playing time with McD and on the PP.  Not scoffing at his points, but refuting the insinuation that he's a first-line player without someone like McD to ride coattails upon.

Sure I'm a Canucks fan, but when I look at rosters and prospects, the future in Edmonton looks pretty grey unless Chia starts pulling out some rabbits.  We saw this year that McDavid cannot simply do it all for them.

 

23 minutes ago, Bure_Pavel said:

For me off their current roster my core would be McDavid, Draisaitl, Pool Party, Larsson, Nurse, Nuge, Caggiula, and Bear, with the rest being expendable.  

Two excellent, a couple solid, couple decent with potential, then question marks.  Will be interesting to see how much they pay Nurse.

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2 hours ago, Blömqvist said:

I doubt Edmonton would trade RNH for Sutter straight up. I could see them entertain an offer of...

 

Yeah I doubt it too but I don’t know if I’d be willing to give up more to be honest. I’d through in one of our fringe wingers but nothing around the draft. I’m still hoping a player like Hughes falls to us a 7. I’d think about taking on sekera +, as a cap dump if we end up moving tanev for picks. 

 

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3 minutes ago, ForsbergTheGreat said:

 

Yeah I doubt it too but I don’t know if I’d be willing to give up more to be honest. I’d through in one of our fringe wingers but nothing around the draft. I’m still hoping a player like Hughes falls to us a 7. I’d think about taking on sekera +, as a cap dump if we end up moving tanev for picks. 

 

Totally agree.  I don’t think RNH is the type of player we want anyway.  Heck, Sutter (for what he’s paid) might be better than RNH, especially considering Sutter’s match-up ability. 

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1 hour ago, aGENT said:

We've already got more guys than room for them.

We have more guys that are not ready for prime time roles, pushing for spots sure.

 

We don't have a loaded roster that has no room.  You are kidding yourself.

 

Baer Bo Brock

Leipsic Sutter Eriksson

Granlund Pettersson Jake

Gaunce Gaudette Gagner

Motte Goldobin

 

On outside looking in, needing time to develop is my view, Dahlen, Gadgy, Lind, Boucher.

 

Guys above their heads in that roster? Baer, Leipsic? Possibly our super rookies. Guys who have not made it yet & are also still questions, Leipsic, Motte, Goldobin.

 

At least one, if not two guys on average are on the IR by the time final cuts are due. That suggests as many as 4 or 6 holes + injuries. You bet we can sign some UFA's without flinching. 

 

I have zero confidence trading a Baer for example, to push Leipsic into a top line role. Make room for Dahlen.  Those guys need to earn those spot before we trade away the depth. Just my opinion. 

 

  

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7 hours ago, ForsbergTheGreat said:

Klefbom is a 40 point D. The previous season he scored 2 less goals than gudbranson has scored in his entire career totals.   I like gudbranson and think he’s a good leader but klefbom is as strong defensive (if not better) and significantly better offensively than guddy. At a 4 million $ cap. I’d take klefbom every day.  

Any team with Klefbomb in their top four is a loser.  Guddy is WAY better.  Guddy is a top pair guy.  He and Edler will be our top pair this season, and show all the (obvious) Canuck’s haters we have here wrong.

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8 hours ago, ForsbergTheGreat said:

The oilers really need a PMD. Someone like say.... Justin Schultz

This is a point.

 

Schultz, and many other guys, are good enough to carry a role with good players. But were not good enough to make other players better. And struggled in a weaker line up.

 

Then they find a perfectly good role elsewhere. Its why you don't give up on a draft pick or prospect, say Jake, too early. Or force guys into roles where they are asked to carry other players?  

 

 

 

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10 hours ago, Camel Toe Drag said:

So in the second scenario Edmonton has the 7th and 10th pick just by giving up Poolparty and a 2nd? I don't like that. I don't like Edmonton either. Stop talking about them please. 

The high price would be because we're in the same division, but they'd be idiots to give up on Poolparty so soon.

 

Tell that to the others. I hadn't talked about the Oilers in months.

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42 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Any team with Klefbomb in their top four is a loser.  Guddy is WAY better.  Guddy is a top pair guy.  He and Edler will be our top pair this season, and show all the (obvious) Canuck’s haters we have here wrong.

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I am a Canuck fanatic and have been for years. BUT Guddy is in NO way a top pairing defenseman on any team in the NHL....come on!! I even like the guy as a player but come on...quit with the hyperbole.

 

You can't be serious....can you? If so....yikes.

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3 minutes ago, Kanukfanatic said:

I am a Canuck fanatic and have been for years. BUT Guddy is in NO way a top pairing defenseman on any team in the NHL....come on!! I even like the guy as a player but come one...quit with the hyperbole.

Guddy proved he is a 25 minute per game guy in the playoffs while (healthy) with Florida.  He and Edler were an excellent top pair for us ending last season.  

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7 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Guddy proved he is a 25 minute per game guy in the playoffs while (healthy) with Florida.  He and Edler were an excellent top pair for us ending last season.  

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Three years ago when Gudbranson played for Florida and played some minutes in the playoffs, even Florida fans could not agree on whether he was a first pairing guy...and that was a few years ago.

 

Since Guddy has been in Vancouver the eye test shows he IS NOT a first pairing guy. Analytics really show he is not a first pairing guy. Many others argue he is barely a third pairing guy. 

 

My personal opinion is that he is a serviceable D man and the Canucks sorely need a D man that can provide some of the skills Guddy has. But he should not be playing any more than the fourth most minutes on any team as a D man...or that would just mean that teams defense sucks. Just my opinion..well not just mine...its the opinion of many people.

 

And like I said...I actually like Guddy.

 

In all sincerity I ask you what you base your statement on that Guddy is a first pairing guy. Really...how could a sane person even try to argue that? 

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2 minutes ago, MoneypuckOverlord said:

It’s too bad he’s gone by 7.  He would have been magic for us in the long run, and our offensive guys can score more goals because of him.

And he’s the youngest of that group too.

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42 minutes ago, MoneypuckOverlord said:

It’s too bad he’s gone by 7.  He would have been magic for us in the long run, and our offensive guys can score more goals because of him.

I think there's a pretty good chance he falls to us, especially if Wahlstrom gets drafted top 6, as I think he will. Kotkaniemi could get drafted higher than expected too. It's starting to look like Hughes will be the first D taken after Dahlin.

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1 minute ago, NaveJoseph said:

I think there's a pretty good chance he falls to us, especially if Wahlstrom gets drafted top 6, as I think he will. Kotkaniemi could get drafted higher than expected too. It's starting to look like Hughes will be the first D taken after Dahlin.

I think we get to choose between Boqvist, Bouchard, and Dobson.

Dahlin

Svechnikov

Tkachuk

Walstrom

Zadina

Hughs

Then us. 

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