Where'd Luongo? Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 Boqvist: Exciting, playmaking, great shot, but he's small and can't dominate physically. Bouchard: He's slow and not fancy at all but he is consistent and accurate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blömqvist Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 Not sure if posted yet, but here is Cam Robinson's take on Tkachuk and Wahlstrom: https://dobberprospects.com/prospect-ramblings-brady-tkachuk-vs-oliver-wahlstrom/ Cam Robinson does have bias: "I’ve long been a staunch advocate of Wahlstrom and his high-end offensive upside. Conversely, I’ve been a vocal dissident of Tkachuk and those who evaluate him as a top-five talent. This piece will try and avoid those built-in biases when displaying the metrics. However, the conclusions that are drawn are likely to follow that train of thought." Interesting to note that he believes both Tkachuk and Wahlstrom will be wingers at the next level. He also believes that Tkachuk's skills, much like his brother Matthew, of physicality, being able to create space down low, and soft hands in tight will transfer "extremely well" at the NHL level. Good read overall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 1 hour ago, Canuck Surfer said: Utica is an option. Jake has a few games left before he is no longer eligible and can start in Utica.. Motte a single game. Goldobin 99 games. All according to Cap Friendly; https://capfriendly.com/teams/canucks Just Archibald & Boucher have to go through waivers. Assuming they're signed? We could add 4 or 5 UFA's, and still make it work. Not that we will? But I'm not off page with you. I like that roster way better. Roussel, I guess its a shut down line not true 2knd line? Green made many guys work in that role trialing quite a few players. Is not really a second line situation, so deployment considered I guess its ok... And you still don't have to make trades. Jake & Goldobin don't require waivers. There remains no guarantee Gaudette will earn a spot out of camp. There will be injuries. If that line up is solidied, I agree we probably would at that time. But there will be injuries... It will then buy you time to deal with it. 1 hour ago, ForsbergTheGreat said: I dont think capfriendly is 100% accurate. Well technically they are but waivers is based on games played OR seasons complete (which ever comes first). And since this is still considered the 2017-18 season it’s not counting this year as a completed season. After July 1st it will. Goldi will require waivers at the start of next year since it will be past his season limit. Same with virtanen. Motte still has one season left. As Forsberg noted, both Goldy and Jake will require waivers and IIRC, Motte's mere games away from same and will likely require waivers at some point this year (though I have zero issues with him starting in Utica). QUITE like him though (as a future bottom 6 guy). And I don't think Utica's an option for Jake (short of his play massively falling off this camp) even if waivers weren't an issue. He's earned, at the very least, a firmly penciled in spot that's his to lose this fall IMO. Yeah, the Sutter line is certainly not a traditional '2nd' line. They'd get their '2nd line' minutes largely on the backs of playing match up and PK and allow us to shelter Pettersson's line with the cushy O-zone starts and PP time etc the twins used to get (which will be our '2nd' line by offensive talent but probably not ice time most nights). Though Roussel has some decent offense to his game (probably more than Dors did)...that line could certainly counter punch and a play maker (with some bite to his game) like Leip might be a good fit on RW over Eriksson as well. Nice thing about that lineup is that the wingers are very 'plug and play'. Any of Eriksson/Roussel/Leipsic/Virtanen/Granlund...heck even Kane could move up or down as chemistry/injuries/match ups etc dictate. Petterson getting pushed around a bit against a larger team even with Virt on his W, maybe sandwich him with Kane and Virt for a few shifts and see how the opposition likes that. So yes, that's a lot of guys fighting for one 13th F spot only one of whom can (briefly) go on waivers. And that's with no other surprises (Dahlen, Jasek etc). Boucher I'd try to sign to an AHL deal personally...or simply let walk. While I'd welcome his skill in Utica, we've got enough home grown's coming in to fill spots IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 11 hours ago, Where'd Luongo? said: Watch Bouchard and then watch boqvist. Spoiler: You'll want boqvist. Yeah, I still don't get it I mean Bouchard's a good prospect and likely will be a solid NHL'er eventually and I'll be perfectly 'ok' if that's who we end up with... but Boqvist's skating is at a whole other level, his shot and passing are at least equal, they're defensively pretty damn close (all the more impressive IMO given Boqvist is almost a year younger and smaller, which likely means any gaps there close over time). He's simply a more dynamic prospect with higher upside. He's less NHL ready and is slightly riskier but if it's my pick, I draft for natural athleticism and ceiling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 58 minutes ago, Blömqvist said: Not sure if posted yet, but here is Cam Robinson's take on Tkachuk and Wahlstrom: https://dobberprospects.com/prospect-ramblings-brady-tkachuk-vs-oliver-wahlstrom/ Cam Robinson does have bias: "I’ve long been a staunch advocate of Wahlstrom and his high-end offensive upside. Conversely, I’ve been a vocal dissident of Tkachuk and those who evaluate him as a top-five talent. This piece will try and avoid those built-in biases when displaying the metrics. However, the conclusions that are drawn are likely to follow that train of thought." Interesting to note that he believes both Tkachuk and Wahlstrom will be wingers at the next level. He also believes that Tkachuk's skills, much like his brother Matthew, of physicality, being able to create space down low, and soft hands in tight will transfer "extremely well" at the NHL level. Good read overall. Good write ups on Hughes vs Boqvist: https://dobberprospects.com/prospect-ramblings-adam-boqvist-vs-quinn-hughes/ Quote Conclusion Take your pick here. Do you want the ultra-speedy left shot guy who can blaze around the ice with aplomb and is likely a tad closer to being NHL-ready or do you prefer the historically more sought-after right-shot player with the big shot and near-equal skating ability? This exercise has done nothing to wipe away the indecision from my mind between these two players. I feel that Hughes is the more advanced prospect as of today, but he should be, he’s 10 months older. Meanwhile, Boqvist demonstrates such great potential and offers a more complete offensive game with his shot. There will be struggles for each early on due to their size, and for Boqvist, the transition to the smaller North American ice and physical game will definitely test his mettle, but each has the skills to one day be impactful producers for both fantasy and real-world scenarios. The type of ability that changes the face of a top power play unit. ...and Smith/Bouchard/Dobson as well: https://dobberprospects.com/prospect-ramblings-breaking-down-ty-smith-evan-bouchard-noah-dobson/ Quote Conclusion I feel that despite Evan Bouchard’s massive production this year, his pure offensive ceiling may be a touch lower than some people may be hoping for. He’s a guy that will be relied upon in all situations, but will need to continue working on his edges and ability to accelerate quickly to create lanes in which to use his best weapon. He projects to me as a player with number two upside and should be viewed as a safe top four who can contribute offense at both even-strength and on the man-advantage. Some people feel he carries a bit more boom in his potential though, and team’s love a big upside so that may see him get called earlier than the other two CHL skaters. Ty Smith on the other hand is a player who owns a higher floor and a similar ceiling. It is probably a little unlikely that Smith becomes a true workhorse number one defender on a team as Duncan Keith has for the Blackhawks. However, I see him becoming a player that should be counted on to supplement a top pairing or anchor a second pair. His speed, smarts and offensive acumen will facilitate a great deal for him moving forward. As for Noah Dobson, his season somehow lands secondary to these other two players in most results, but his overall package lends itself to perhaps the highest and safest outcome. For some time I’ve likened his play to that of St. Louis Blues’ stalwart, Alex Pietrangelo. They are both big, strong, right-shot, smooth-skating defenders who can play an extremely effective and productive game at both ends of the rink. Dobson has all the tools to become a minute-munching all around defender and I believe has the highest potential to become a number one defenseman on an NHL squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flickyoursedin Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 3 hours ago, aGENT said: Good write ups on Hughes vs Boqvist: https://dobberprospects.com/prospect-ramblings-adam-boqvist-vs-quinn-hughes/ ...and Smith/Bouchard/Dobson as well: https://dobberprospects.com/prospect-ramblings-breaking-down-ty-smith-evan-bouchard-noah-dobson/ Good read. The SHL games Boqvist played he was playing 3-4 minutes a game. People on these boards were harping on his low SHL production. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TGokou Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 20 hours ago, ForsbergTheGreat said: Define #1 D? Do you really think there's an 80% chance Dobson and Bouchard become a #1 D? or a 70% chance of Hughes and boqvist. that seems rather optimistic As in a D-man that plays on your top pairing defense. Not necessarily #1 All-star like Doughty, Karlsson, Hedman but someone like Jacob Trouba, Kris Letang, Tanev. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 19 hours ago, The Bookie said: It was in The Athletic's mock draft at the end of April. It's paywalled but there's an excerpt here https://news.hockeyfeed.com/nhl-news/rumor-red-wings-will-select-one-of-these-three-players-at-the-draft ...Although I'm not sure I completely buy it, and I wonder if it's some GM poker face bluffing going on trying to trade up/down, like JB did with Glass last year. And actually, as someone who's been a little high on Dobson - the more I've dwelled on it the less him & Bouchard feel right. Like, they just don't strike me as Benning first rounder types. I think, given that top 3 is kinda set, and a C is still a bit of a longshot, he's most likely honed in on the separate tier of 4 guys - the two big rugged wingers in Tchuck n Wahlly, and the two crafty speedster D in Hughesy n Boqs. Given the simple math that one of them is guaranteed to be there, I think that's our guy. Except of course if two of them are still around, but them's first world problems. 4 I'm not quite buying the hype on Bouchard or Boqvist. Of the two I prefer Boqvist the upside is huge. He would have destroyed the Allsvenskan at his age what he has accomplished is very exciting however the concussions are very concerning. Bouchard is having an abnormally good season compared t his prior projections there could be something there. Doby, I see becoming this seasons Chychrun I'd be pretty happy with that. Tkachuk I doubt falls to JB if he does I guess he probably takes him. However, the "Guys" I'm really interested in are Hughes Wally and Veleno. So Huges shoots left and his brother is a sure bet 1st overall next year and he's smallish for a D. This kid competes hard and isn't afraid of the tough sledding. Wheels and puck skills to use them. He may never be as good as his brother but he IS my pick to be the best D of this draft. Wahlstrom "Total package" fwd! Blue chip top 6. Veleno I'm still beating this guys drum. He's IMO the best pure center in the draft and the best playmaker with 200 ft game being his calling card I could see him being a coach's favorite. as you say "1st world problems" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robongo Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 If Hughes is gone, passing on Kotkaniemi will be similar to Nucks passing on Kopitar. Long term Kotkaniemi is the second best if not best forward in this draft. Kid is an absolute do it all stud and if he played in the CHL hed be ranked top 3 without a doubt in my mind. Dont like tooting my own horn but I was a staunch Nylander/Ehlers supporter, wanted Keller badly and hoped for Glass but always posted Pettersson highlights on FB hoping we’d trade down. Kotkaniemi is a gem and I pray our Euro scouts are beating that drum loudly. He IS the no 1 do it all C we need Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robongo Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 15 hours ago, Blömqvist said: Not sure if posted yet, but here is Cam Robinson's take on Tkachuk and Wahlstrom: https://dobberprospects.com/prospect-ramblings-brady-tkachuk-vs-oliver-wahlstrom/ Cam Robinson does have bias: "I’ve long been a staunch advocate of Wahlstrom and his high-end offensive upside. Conversely, I’ve been a vocal dissident of Tkachuk and those who evaluate him as a top-five talent. This piece will try and avoid those built-in biases when displaying the metrics. However, the conclusions that are drawn are likely to follow that train of thought." Interesting to note that he believes both Tkachuk and Wahlstrom will be wingers at the next level. He also believes that Tkachuk's skills, much like his brother Matthew, of physicality, being able to create space down low, and soft hands in tight will transfer "extremely well" at the NHL level. Good read overall. Agreed Wahlstrom over Brady everyday of the week. Only attributes Brady Tkachuk has over his bro is skating and being a pain in the ass(arguable). Admittedly my viewings of Brady are limited to mostly WJC but points rarely lie. Complimentary player, albeit a very valuable one, just not a potential home run pick we so desperately need. Our spot in this draft scares the hell out of me given Bennings history. He went against consensus and logic 2/3 times hes had a top selection and blew it big time. This is another draft where doing your homework is key, I just pray he has learned hard lessons and continues onward with Pettersson type picks (highly skilled home run type picks). Kotkaniemi/Hughes/Bouchard and we are winners Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isam Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 Keep an eye out on Jacob bernard-docker of the okotoks oilers. Good right shot dman that has been getting alot of buzz. Committed to north Dakota. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 7 hours ago, Robongo said: Agreed Wahlstrom over Brady everyday of the week. Only attributes Brady Tkachuk has over his bro is skating and being a pain in the ass(arguable). Admittedly my viewings of Brady are limited to mostly WJC but points rarely lie. Complimentary player, albeit a very valuable one, just not a potential home run pick we so desperately need. Our spot in this draft scares the hell out of me given Bennings history. He went against consensus and logic 2/3 times hes had a top selection and blew it big time. This is another draft where doing your homework is key, I just pray he has learned hard lessons and continues onward with Pettersson type picks (highly skilled home run type picks). Kotkaniemi/Hughes/Bouchard and we are winners Well, one out of three (Hughes) is only 33%. The Finn and Bouchard have skating concerns. We need Hughes, Boqvist, or Dobson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 7 hours ago, Robongo said: Our spot in this draft scares the hell out of me given Bennings history. He went against consensus and logic 2/3 times hes had a top selection and blew it big time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedinyoureyesontheprize Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 May 19: Swift Current vs. Acadie-Bathurst (4 p.m. ET; NHLN, SN, SN1, TVAS) if anyone wants to see Dobson in action. 1pm pacific time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 46 minutes ago, Isam said: Keep an eye out on Jacob bernard-docker of the okotoks oilers. Good right shot dman that has been getting alot of buzz. Committed to north Dakota. I’d be quite pleased to grab Bernard-Docker in the 2nd, although (as you note) there’s been a lot of chatter lately and he may very well end up sneaking into the 1st round. Good size, skates like the wind, RH shot D, excellent triggerman/finishing skills, and has a strong two-way game. He’s going to take a few years to develop fully, but could prove well worth the wait. Yet another player that makes me hope we acquire a couple more picks in the first two rounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Camel Toe Drag Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 8 hours ago, Robongo said: If Hughes is gone, passing on Kotkaniemi will be similar to Nucks passing on Kopitar. Long term Kotkaniemi is the second best if not best forward in this draft. Kid is an absolute do it all stud and if he played in the CHL hed be ranked top 3 without a doubt in my mind. Dont like tooting my own horn but I was a staunch Nylander/Ehlers supporter, wanted Keller badly and hoped for Glass but always posted Pettersson highlights on FB hoping we’d trade down. Kotkaniemi is a gem and I pray our Euro scouts are beating that drum loudly. He IS the no 1 do it all C we need Simmer down fella. It does not make you more of a credible source to say you were "staunch" supporter of anyone. Also you're talking like a wizard with a crystal ball. If you haven't learned by now Benning can draft. The whole fan base has been witness to this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ajax- Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 48 minutes ago, Camel Toe Drag said: Simmer down fella. It does not make you more of a credible source to say you were "staunch" supporter of anyone. Also you're talking like a wizard with a crystal ball. If you haven't learned by now Benning can draft. The whole fan base has been witness to this. Gotta get me one of those!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robongo Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 58 minutes ago, Camel Toe Drag said: Simmer down fella. It does not make you more of a credible source to say you were "staunch" supporter of anyone. Also you're talking like a wizard with a crystal ball. If you haven't learned by now Benning can draft. The whole fan base has been witness to this. Yes tell me about all of those elite players that Benning has drafted , especially defenseman! 2015 he got Brock in an insanely deep first round and he finally made the right pick in the top 10 after blowing the first two. What an amazing draftist I forgot this is homerville where any and all legit criticism is mocked , my mistake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 6 minutes ago, Robongo said: Yes tell me about all of those elite players that Benning has drafted , especially defenseman! 2015 he got Brock in an insanely deep first round and he finally made the right pick in the top 10 after blowing the first two. What an amazing draftist I forgot this is homerville where any and all legit criticism is mocked , my mistake blowing the first two? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sikhguy23 Posted May 19, 2018 Share Posted May 19, 2018 7 minutes ago, Robongo said: Yes tell me about all of those elite players that Benning has drafted , especially defenseman! 2015 he got Brock in an insanely deep first round and he finally made the right pick in the top 10 after blowing the first two. What an amazing draftist I forgot this is homerville where any and all legit criticism is mocked , my mistake I get the feeling you have a dart board with Bennings face on it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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