Dixon Ward Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 I don't think, other than Dahlin, anyone really has the slightest clue who will be the best of the top 10. I trust JB and think he will pick the bpa at 7th. My concern now is that he strengthen the future with some trades that generate more picks or some strong prospects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHitman Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 2 hours ago, Horvat is a Boss said: Miller is someone who we might be able to get at 37th. I think there are a couple of posters on here who want him. I think there might be some better options available (Lindqvist, Merkley, Hallander, Olofsson, etc.) but I would not be disappointed in any way if we ended up with him. 1 Hope not, McCann and Shinkaruk had similar issues and didn't work out for the Canucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flickyoursedin Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 11 minutes ago, TheHitman said: Hope not, McCann and Shinkaruk had similar issues and didn't work out for the Canucks. At 37th overall he might be too tempting to pass up. He is so offensively gifted. Without his warts he’s arguably a top 15 talent in this draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missioncanucksfan Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 On 20/05/2018 at 11:28 AM, Alflives said: I think Dobson is a taller kind of skinny kid, who is still physically maturing too. Bouchard might be better now, but maybe that has a lot to do with him maturing earlier? I think Dobson will take longer to get to our team, but could really grow into someone special. I seriously dont need want these kids on our team next year anyway. Would rather see Dobson spend another 2 years in junior and atleast a partial year in minors for that full development aspect. Same if we select Tychonick....sign him after his junior year. UND has a decent team coming back up again. He is 6' now but could get to 6'1 195 by the time he gets here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noble 6 Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 The Draft Analyst's rankings always tend to be "unique." Here's his top 15: 1) Svechnikov 2) Dahlin 3) Zadina 4) Boqvist 5) Farabee 6) Veleno 7) Tkachuk 8) Smith 9) Wahlstrom 10) Hughes 11) Kotkaniemi 12) Dobson 13) Sandin 14) Hayton 15) Bouchard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 1 minute ago, Horvat is a Boss said: The Draft Analyst's rankings always tend to be "unique." Here's his top 15: 1) Svechnikov 2) Dahlin 3) Zadina 4) Boqvist 5) Farabee 6) Veleno 7) Tkachuk 8) Smith 9) Wahlstrom 10) Hughes 11) Kotkaniemi 12) Dobson 13) Sandin 14) Hayton 15) Bouchard If Hughs falls to us we better bloody well take him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 On 21/05/2018 at 1:24 AM, TGT68 said: I am curious if Alec Regula is on anyone's radar for a late round pick? The guy has some work to do but has great raw bones to work with. Notably he can skate & move. I'm at odds as to our high 3rd being too high? A 4th is a great place to pick a strong athlete fining his game. He played with Bouchard on the Knights when I watched. But I have to admit I was watching Bouchard. On 21/05/2018 at 4:37 AM, Horvat is a Boss said: Sergachev played in the OHL in his draft +1 year and won the Memorial Cup with Windsor. If/when Dobson goes back, he'll almost certainly be on a weaker Titan squad than what he had this year. Maybe his NHL team could influence a trade next season. I don't like the fact that exposing him to the NHL too early in an extremely sheltered role (likely more sheltered than Sergachev this year in his draft +2 year) could be the best case scenario. Compare that to Boqvist who can play in the AHL next year where his NHL team can control his minutes, deployment, off ice training, etc along with the fact he's still 17 and that sounds like a much better recipe for success. I suspect a Nylander development curve would be good for Boqvist? SHL the year after his draft, then move to the AHL for the end of that season. I like the idea of leaving kids in Sweden to start. A more comfortable environment, some friends & family, still great hockey and they can make a bit more money than in the AHL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flickyoursedin Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 21 minutes ago, Horvat is a Boss said: The Draft Analyst's rankings always tend to be "unique." Here's his top 15: 1) Svechnikov 2) Dahlin 3) Zadina 4) Boqvist 5) Farabee 6) Veleno 7) Tkachuk 8) Smith 9) Wahlstrom 10) Hughes 11) Kotkaniemi 12) Dobson 13) Sandin 14) Hayton 15) Bouchard Unique it is. It is always interesting to see these mock sites and find different variations and see why they think some players are better. However there are a lot of head scratchers in this one for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHitman Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 2 hours ago, flickyoursedin said: At 37th overall he might be too tempting to pass up. He is so offensively gifted. Without his warts he’s arguably a top 15 talent in this draft. Disagree, the 37 spot has produced a decent amount of high-end prospects in the past 10 years. Not a time to be taking an incomplete player who is bound to cause issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flickyoursedin Posted May 21, 2018 Share Posted May 21, 2018 20 minutes ago, TheHitman said: Disagree, the 37 spot has produced a decent amount of high-end prospects in the past 10 years. Not a time to be taking an incomplete player who is bound to cause issues. In the last 13 years we’ve had one 2nd rounder log over 5 NHL games Yann Sauve. While I will agree our new scouting regime looks to break that trend with getting Demko, Lind and Gadjovich. Still that’s just 3 guys since Mason Raymond 13 years ago. If you’re telling me I can get a top 15 talent at 37th overall I take that. Merkleys attitude sucks but the skills are undeniable. He generates more offence then the four guys we’re talking about at 7. With the actual percentage of 2nd rounders that make it taking Merkley at 37 kinda seems like a low risk high reward type of pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sugar baby watermelon Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 6 hours ago, Horvat is a Boss said: Miller is someone who we might be able to get at 37th. I think there are a couple of posters on here who want him. I think there might be some better options available (Lindqvist, Merkley, Hallander, Olofsson, etc.) but I would not be disappointed in any way if we ended up with him. Somehow I don't think Miller will be available for us with our 2nd round pick, I think he goes late 1st round. If he somehow does end up available when our pick in the 2nd comes up, I will jump up and down if Benning selects him. There are a few other D prospects available at the 2nd round, Alex Alexeyev, Nils Lundqvist, and one I hope is still available Mattias Samuelsson, big bruising dman who knows when to throw his hits, solid defensively and can chip in offensively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noble 6 Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 2 hours ago, Canuck Surfer said: The guy has some work to do but has great raw bones to work with. Notably he can skate & move. I'm at odds as to our high 3rd being too high? A 4th is a great place to pick a strong athlete fining his game. He played with Bouchard on the Knights when I watched. But I have to admit I was watching Bouchard. I suspect a Nylander development curve would be good for Boqvist? SHL the year after his draft, then move to the AHL for the end of that season. I like the idea of leaving kids in Sweden to start. A more comfortable environment, some friends & family, still great hockey and they can make a bit more money than in the AHL. I'd be all for having Boqvist play in the SHL. One thing I just thought of is that his current SHL team has been quite stingy in giving him ice time as he is a younger player. As long as that trend doesn't continue, then it should be fine. I think it would be best for him to come over in his draft +2 year though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noble 6 Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 4 hours ago, TheHitman said: Hope not, McCann and Shinkaruk had similar issues and didn't work out for the Canucks. I don't really know how bad Merkley's attitude thing is. As far as I know, there's only been one real report on it that seems generally accepted and that came out in the first half of the year. I think the place it shows up most is his severe inconsistency. He can look like a top-10 pick in one game and then a 4th rounder for two. He must have some drive and commitment to making himself better or else he wouldn't have been the 1st overall pick in the OHL draft, but he just needs to bring that over to his off ice routines and team game. I can't say for sure whether he will or not and there are likely going to be other good options as well, so we'll see what happens on draft day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 10 minutes ago, Horvat is a Boss said: I'd be all for having Boqvist play in the SHL. One thing I just thought of is that his current SHL team has been quite stingy in giving him ice time as he is a younger player. As long as that trend doesn't continue, then it should be fine. I think it would be best for him to come over in his draft +2 year though. He would have turned 17 just a few weeks before training camp last year. And was a D at 165 lbs. That is a lot for a guy playing against predominantly 21 to 27 year old well trained professional athletes. It does not surprise me they did not throw him in. He will have gotten a lot stronger justv playing 70 odd games this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 11 minutes ago, Horvat is a Boss said: I don't really know how bad Merkley's attitude thing is. As far as I know, there's only been one real report on it that seems generally accepted and that came out in the first half of the year. I think the place it shows up most is his severe inconsistency. He can look like a top-10 pick in one game and then a 4th rounder for two. He must have some drive and commitment to making himself better or else he wouldn't have been the 1st overall pick in the OHL draft, but he just needs to bring that over to his off ice routines and team game. I can't say for sure whether he will or not and there are likely going to be other good options as well, so we'll see what happens on draft day. McCann's bad attitude is overrated? Pastrnak being picked the selection directly after him not withstanding. He'll most likely surpass 200 games played shortly & has already played more NHL games than 14 or 15 guys drafted ahead of him. He also looks like he can play a 3rd line role & might be able to sub in a top 6 role. A tweener NHL career. Not great, but not bad for a mid to late first rounder. Shinkaruk? I don't recall him being reported as having a bad attitude. But I do recall being disappointed with his combine & fitness. Which, if he approached at an elite level, would have seen him develop enough quickness & versatility to play in the NHL. His skill was NHL level, his fitness and approach was not. LOL, I guess he did not have a good attitude? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smithers joe Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 19 minutes ago, Horvat is a Boss said: I don't really know how bad Merkley's attitude thing is. As far as I know, there's only been one real report on it that seems generally accepted and that came out in the first half of the year. I think the place it shows up most is his severe inconsistency. He can look like a top-10 pick in one game and then a 4th rounder for two. He must have some drive and commitment to making himself better or else he wouldn't have been the 1st overall pick in the OHL draft, but he just needs to bring that over to his off ice routines and team game. I can't say for sure whether he will or not and there are likely going to be other good options as well, so we'll see what happens on draft day. kind of sounds like goldobin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noble 6 Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 24 minutes ago, Canuck Surfer said: McCann's bad attitude is overrated? Pastrnak being picked the selection directly after him not withstanding. He'll most likely surpass 200 games played shortly & has already played more NHL games than 14 or 15 guys drafted ahead of him. He also looks like he can play a 3rd line role & might be able to sub in a top 6 role. A tweener NHL career. Not great, but not bad for a mid to late first rounder. Shinkaruk? I don't recall him being reported as having a bad attitude. But I do recall being disappointed with his combine & fitness. Which, if he approached at an elite level, would have seen him develop enough quickness & versatility to play in the NHL. His skill was NHL level, his fitness and approach was not. LOL, I guess he did not have a good attitude? Don't quote me on it, but I think there were rumours that one of the young guys (ie. McCann or Virtanen) wasn't all that liked in the room. I always liked McCann as a player and I think he could've been a lot better if he was developed a bit better. 24 minutes ago, smithers joe said: kind of sounds like goldobin. Baertschi faced a similar situation in the NHL and he overcame it. Goldobin is still working at it, but I personally think he's made some good progress. A lot of people seem to have enjoyed Vanek's time here and he's a similar player. This is one where the interviews are going to determine where he goes and we can't access that information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R3aL Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 3 hours ago, Horvat is a Boss said: The Draft Analyst's rankings always tend to be "unique." Here's his top 15: 1) Svechnikov 2) Dahlin 3) Zadina 4) Boqvist 5) Farabee 6) Veleno 7) Tkachuk 8) Smith 9) Wahlstrom 10) Hughes 11) Kotkaniemi 12) Dobson 13) Sandin 14) Hayton 15) Bouchard Super interesting ranking. love to hear his reasoning for veleno and farabee ahead of the other guys. We we all know Dahlin going 1 no way buffalo passes on him. just further strengthens the point this draft will be entertaining and all over the place. But Merkley or Addison at 37 would be pretty awesome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noble 6 Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 I thought I'd revisit Lundestrom, who I already have a lengthy post on way earlier in the thread. Now that his SHL season is over his production can be compared to other recently drafted players. Lundestrom is one of the rare talents that played his draft -1 year in the SHL. That's very impressive as 17 year old to hold down a spot in arguably the 2nd best league in the world; nobody else has done that. Guys like Pettersson, Forsberg, Pastrnak, etc.didn't even play in the SHL in their draft years. Guys like Nylander, Vrana, Andersson, Eriksson-Ek, etc. bounced around between leagues in their draft year. The only other players to play in the SHL full time in their draft years are E. Lindholm (5th overall), Andersson (7th overall) and Dahlin. He joined those three by playing in the SHL this year (pretty exclusive company), but he's literally the only person I found that played the majority of his draft -1 year in the SHL as a 16/17 year old. That speaks volume to his ability and maturity. It's something that absolutely should be considered when evaluating where he should go in the draft and how NHL ready he is. Lundestrom is a speedy, left-handed, two-way center with decent size who is very responsible defensively. He's a pretty smart player but doesn't have the exceptional creativity that players like Pettersson have. He's a hardworking player with a non-stop motor who plays a more north-south game. He's currently 6 feet tall and 185 pounds, so he has decent size. His straight line speed is his main asset and he is capable of burning defenders easily if he catches them flat footed, but his overall edgework and agility is also good. His other big calling card is his defensive work as he often breaks up plays in his own end and transitions them the other way. He's very good at protecting the puck along the boards and that should only improve as he gains strength. The main drawback that Lundestrom has is the previously mentioned lack of high end creativity, but most players don't have that. He's also one of the older players in this draft class (born on Dec. 6th, 1999 in a draft with majority 2000 borns). With all that said, Lundestrom's game is a smart, effective, responsible and hard working one. Lundestrom currently seems to be hovering around the 12-15 range on a lot of rankings, although there are some where he drops to around 16-20 and a couple that have him around 10. The Draft Analyst doesn't even have him as a first rounder (he also has Svechnikov above Dahlin). I think at minimum, he can be a Hagelin level contributor to whoever drafts him; a speedy, defensively responsible bottom-6 winger. His ceiling is tougher to predict, but maybe a more streamlined version of Backlund would be a realistic pinnacle for him. Those comparables are just me talking though. I see him as the Necas of this draft; a young, European two-way center who's playing in the men's league with questions about his ceiling. Given Necas' success this year, maybe teams look at Lundestrom a bit earlier than they otherwise would. I could see a teams like the Rangers, Hurricanes, Blackhawks, Panthers and Devils all being interested in him based on their draft history. Given his pro experience against men, he could likely step into an NHL role sooner than some other players. Draft Year Comparables: Fiala: 3 goals, 8 assists for 11 points in 17 games (0.65 PPG) and 1 goal, 5 assists for 6 points in 8 Playoff games (0.75 PPG) E. Lindholm: 11 goals, 19 assists for 30 points in 48 games (0.63 PPG) Andersson: 9 goals, 10 assists for 19 points in 42 games (0.45 PPG) Lundestrom: 6 goals, 9 assists for 15 points in 42 games (0.36 PPG) Nylander: 1 goal, 6 assists for 7 points in 22 games (0.32 PPG) Kempe: 5 goals, 6 assists for 11 points in 45 games (0.24 PPG) Eriksson-Ek: 4 goals, 2 assists for 6 points in 34 games (0.18 PPG) Vrana: 2 goals, 1 assist for 3 points in 24 games (0.13 PPG) and 1 goal, 1 assist for 2 points in 14 Playoff games (0.14 PPG) Lundestrom Draft -1 Year: 3 goals. 3 assists for 6 points in 45 games (0.13 PPG) Those numbers would likely justify using a top 15 selection on him. His team, Lulea, finished pretty much exactly in the middle of the standings, but they scored a lot less than every other team except the bottom 3. Specifically for the Canucks, he spent some time centering Pettersson at the WJC when he was dropped off the top line. I wouldn't use our 7th overall pick on him, but he would be a major target if we acquired a pick in the 10-15 range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flickyoursedin Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 2 minutes ago, Horvat is a Boss said: I thought I'd revisit Lundestrom, who I already have a lengthy post on way earlier in the thread. Now that his SHL season is over his production can be compared to other recently drafted players. Lundestrom is one of the rare talents that played his draft -1 year in the SHL. That's very impressive as 17 year old to hold down a spot in arguably the 2nd best league in the world; nobody else has done that. Guys like Pettersson, Forsberg, Pastrnak, etc.didn't even play in the SHL in their draft years. Guys like Nylander, Vrana, Andersson, Eriksson-Ek, etc. bounced around between leagues in their draft year. The only other players to play in the SHL full time in their draft years are E. Lindholm (5th overall), Andersson (7th overall) and Dahlin. He joined those three by playing in the SHL this year (pretty exclusive company), but he's literally the only person I found that played the majority of his draft -1 year in the SHL as a 16/17 year old. That speaks volume to his ability and maturity. It's something that absolutely should be considered when evaluating where he should go in the draft and how NHL ready he is. Lundestrom is a speedy, left-handed, two-way center with decent size who is very responsible defensively. He's a pretty smart player but doesn't have the exceptional creativity that players like Pettersson have. He's a hardworking player with a non-stop motor who plays a more north-south game. He's currently 6 feet tall and 185 pounds, so he has decent size. His straight line speed is his main asset and he is capable of burning defenders easily if he catches them flat footed, but his overall edgework and agility is also good. His other big calling card is his defensive work as he often breaks up plays in his own end and transitions them the other way. He's very good at protecting the puck along the boards and that should only improve as he gains strength. The main drawback that Lundestrom has is the previously mentioned lack of high end creativity, but most players don't have that. He's also one of the older players in this draft class (born on Dec. 6th, 1999 in a draft with majority 2000 borns). With all that said, Lundestrom's game is a smart, effective, responsible and hard working one. Lundestrom currently seems to be hovering around the 12-15 range on a lot of rankings, although there are some where he drops to around 16-20 and a couple that have him around 10. The Draft Analyst doesn't even have him as a first rounder (he also has Svechnikov above Dahlin). I think at minimum, he can be a Hagelin level contributor to whoever drafts him; a speedy, defensively responsible bottom-6 winger. His ceiling is tougher to predict, but maybe a more streamlined version of Backlund would be a realistic pinnacle for him. Those comparables are just me talking though. I see him as the Necas of this draft; a young, European two-way center who's playing in the men's league with questions about his ceiling. Given Necas' success this year, maybe teams look at Lundestrom a bit earlier than they otherwise would. I could see a teams like the Rangers, Hurricanes, Blackhawks, Panthers and Devils all being interested in him based on their draft history. Given his pro experience against men, he could likely step into an NHL role sooner than some other players. Draft Year Comparables: Fiala: 3 goals, 8 assists for 11 points in 17 games (0.65 PPG) and 1 goal, 5 assists for 6 points in 8 Playoff games (0.75 PPG) E. Lindholm: 11 goals, 19 assists for 30 points in 48 games (0.63 PPG) Andersson: 9 goals, 10 assists for 19 points in 42 games (0.45 PPG) Lundestrom: 6 goals, 9 assists for 15 points in 42 games (0.36 PPG) Nylander: 1 goal, 6 assists for 7 points in 22 games (0.32 PPG) Kempe: 5 goals, 6 assists for 11 points in 45 games (0.24 PPG) Eriksson-Ek: 4 goals, 2 assists for 6 points in 34 games (0.18 PPG) Vrana: 2 goals, 1 assist for 3 points in 24 games (0.13 PPG) and 1 goal, 1 assist for 2 points in 14 Playoff games (0.14 PPG) Lundestrom Draft -1 Year: 3 goals. 3 assists for 6 points in 45 games (0.13 PPG) Those numbers would likely justify using a top 15 selection on him. His team, Lulea, finished pretty much exactly in the middle of the standings, but they scored a lot less than every other team except the bottom 3. Specifically for the Canucks, he spent some time centering Pettersson at the WJC when he was dropped off the top line. I wouldn't use our 7th overall pick on him, but he would be a major target if we acquired a pick in the 10-15 range. Hard to really judge these kids in the SHL off production. In the SHL they usually let the kids ride the pine. I wish we knew the average ice time along with those point stats. I do think because of this making his point totals lower than they should be he will probably get drafted lower than he should. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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