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Here are the CHL award nominations:

 

Smith:

 

Scholastic Player of the Year

Sherwin-Williams Top Prospect

 

Svechnikov:

 

Sherwin-Williams Top Prospect

Wawanesa Rookie of the Year

 

Zadina:

 

Sherwin-Willliams Top Prospect

 

Hayton:

 

Scholastic Player of the Year

 

I'm not sure how many accolades it'll take before Smith gets some recognition. Best season by a WHL defender in 15 years, Captain of team Canada's U18 team, assistant captain of Spokane, nominated for Player of the Year and Top Prospect, etc. 

 

Both Bouchard and Dobson are notably absent on here. 

 

 

 

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I love that there is so much debate on who the next best defenseman is after Dahlin. Survey professional NHL team scouts (like Bob McKenzie did) and they'll say Bouchard. Cam Robinson of DobberProspects and Corey Pronman of ESPN both have Quinn Hughes as the next best defenseman. Sam Cosentino of Sportsnet and Steve Kournianos of The Draft Analyst both have Adam Boqvist as second best. Then there's Noah Dobson who is leading his team to the Memorial Cup Final and might find his stock rise a little towards draft day. It's like you can't go wrong with any of the top defensemen.

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1 hour ago, Blömqvist said:

I love that there is so much debate on who the next best defenseman is after Dahlin. Survey professional NHL team scouts (like Bob McKenzie did) and they'll say Bouchard. Cam Robinson of DobberProspects and Corey Pronman of ESPN both have Quinn Hughes as the next best defenseman. Sam Cosentino of Sportsnet and Steve Kournianos of The Draft Analyst both have Adam Boqvist as second best. Then there's Noah Dobson who is leading his team to the Memorial Cup Final and might find his stock rise a little towards draft day. It's like you can't go wrong with any of the top defensemen.

I actually take that as they all have notable weaknesses in their game. It comes down to which mental or physical attributes teams value more than others.

 

Historically taking a dee man is a risky proposition in the top 10. I don't see any can't miss consensus guys.

 

If the Canucks are lucky and smart they will avoid the d conundrum and draft Oliver Wahlstrom. If he is still on the board he will be a steal at #7.

 

Seriously all these d have notable weaknesses whether lack of size, speed, physicality,shot, etc.

 

Oliver Wahlstrom has literally no glaring weaknesses. He is potentiallu as good as Brock Boeser.

 

Arguably at the same age he is bigger and faster but Boeser probably has a better shot.

 

Forget reaching for a need and positional value. Go BPA Oliver Wahlstrom is a top 5 talent.

 

If he is there at 7 Benning should be more excited than when Kole Kind was still available.

 

He is the obvious pick for me by far.

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9 hours ago, Alflives said:

I remember Pedan was our fastest skater, but had very slow feet.  I see Dobson as a slower footed guy.  I'm off him and off Bouchard.  I'm hoping one of Hughes or Dobson falls to us at 7.  

You should watch these guys, him in particular.

 

Dobson is an extremely fluid, mobile player. He has an strong stride even from start up, can turn laterally, while skating backwards & shift & make moves while he's at full speed. While handling the puck. Its exciting to watch in a big guy!  

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2 hours ago, Chip Kelly said:

I actually take that as they all have notable weaknesses in their game. It comes down to which mental or physical attributes teams value more than others.

 

Historically taking a dee man is a risky proposition in the top 10. I don't see any can't miss consensus guys.

 

If the Canucks are lucky and smart they will avoid the d conundrum and draft Oliver Wahlstrom. If he is still on the board he will be a steal at #7.

 

Seriously all these d have notable weaknesses whether lack of size, speed, physicality,shot, etc.

 

Oliver Wahlstrom has literally no glaring weaknesses. He is potentiallu as good as Brock Boeser.

 

Arguably at the same age he is bigger and faster but Boeser probably has a better shot.

 

Forget reaching for a need and positional value. Go BPA Oliver Wahlstrom is a top 5 talent.

 

If he is there at 7 Benning should be more excited than when Kole Kind was still available.

 

He is the obvious pick for me by far.

You are way off. Just my opinion.

 

Its not that they have glaring weaknesses. Its that the calibre of D men is higher than usual.  2015 with Werenski, Chabot, Provorov & Hanifin was like that. As much as we like Boeser? And we do...

 

Columbus would not be offering us Werenski back, nor Philly Provorov. They know what they have. The good D are not being left for the 2knd round any more.If you want a good D, you have to take one when you get the chance. Miss on one who is BPA? 

 

It could be a generation before you get the chance to draft another.

 

Boqvist can absolutely hammer the puck! He will be one of the fastest players, among the better athletes in the league. And Hughes is even faster, even more clever with the puck. Dobson is composed & fundamentally sound like Provorov. Can also skate, and move! Bouchard & Dobson both scored at rates that obliterated the CHL results of guys like Sergachev & Ekblad.  

 

You are correct in that Wahlstrom is a very exciting prospect.  The shine is only lower because of the allure of some well above average D men!

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19 hours ago, CANUCK-EXPRESS said:

I got a hunch that Ottawa takes Boqvist and Detroit takes Hughes since Boqvist is gone and we'll have Tkachuk, Wahlstrom and Dobson to choose from. 

Word from Helene st James of the Detroit free press is that wings really like Bouchard.

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13 hours ago, Horvat is a Boss said:

 

 

Here are the CHL award nominations:

 

Smith:

 

Scholastic Player of the Year

Sherwin-Williams Top Prospect

 

Svechnikov:

 

Sherwin-Williams Top Prospect

Wawanesa Rookie of the Year

 

Zadina:

 

Sherwin-Willliams Top Prospect

 

Hayton:

 

Scholastic Player of the Year

 

I'm not sure how many accolades it'll take before Smith gets some recognition. Best season by a WHL defender in 15 years, Captain of team Canada's U18 team, assistant captain of Spokane, nominated for Player of the Year and Top Prospect, etc. 

 

Both Bouchard and Dobson are notably absent on here. 

 

 

 

A poor U18 against the best players in the world at his age didn't help him.

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6 hours ago, Canuck Surfer said:

You are way off. Just my opinion.

 

Its not that they have glaring weaknesses. Its that the calibre of D men is higher than usual.  2015 with Werenski, Chabot, Provorov & Hanifin was like that. As much as we like Boeser? And we do...

 

Columbus would not be offering us Werenski back, nor Philly Provorov. They know what they have. The good D are not being left for the 2knd round any more.If you want a good D, you have to take one when you get the chance. Miss on one who is BPA? 

 

It could be a generation before you get the chance to draft another.

 

Boqvist can absolutely hammer the puck! He will be one of the fastest players, among the better athletes in the league. And Hughes is even faster, even more clever with the puck. Dobson is composed & fundamentally sound like Provorov. Can also skate, and move! Bouchard & Dobson both scored at rates that obliterated the CHL results of guys like Sergachev & Ekblad.  

 

You are correct in that Wahlstrom is a very exciting prospect.  The shine is only lower because of the allure of some well above average D men!

That's correct from my perspective.

But if you want to make a fair and valid player's assessment you just can't look only at the player's strengths.

A fair assessment which would be helpful for projecting the player's ranking and for the selection the Canucks finally make has to consider both sides of the equation. Chis Kelly mentioned in his quote that all D-Man in the Top 10 have notable weaknesses. Personally, without having seen those players play, I would say he is right: 

 

- Boqvist and Hughes: undersized, lack of physicality / Boqvist: concussions in the early stage of his career 

- Bouchard:   serious concerns about his Hockey IQ and speed

- Dobson:      indeed he had a great showing at the Memorial Cup, but I think his upside is limited, especially compared to the upside of Boqvist and Hughes

 

I remember one statement from  JB which was  part  of an report in "The Province". The essence of this statement was that the Canucks very much like a D-Man which should be availabe at spot 37 implicitly saying that there is no necessity to draft a D-Man with their 1st pick. I admit that this report was published  several weeks ago and that JB could have changed his mind / strategy in the meantime. 

 

I could see the following scenario:

Habs at #3 are shocking the world taking the best Centerman available in this years draft: Kotkaniemi. It is well known that the Habs are desperately in need of C.

Consequence would be that either Zadina or Svechnikov would be still available at 4. Teams picking  from 4 through 6 most likely are going  to draft defensemen.

Ottawa:  let's say Boqvist or Hughes

Arizona: also D, they are deep at forward, one of Boqvist or Hughes

Detroit:  Bouchard / if the sources out of Detroit are valid

 

Consequence would be that players like: Wahlstrom, Tkachuk and either Zadina or Svechnikov would still be on the board at #7.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Wolfgang Durst said:

That's correct from my perspective.

But if you want to make a fair and valid player's assessment you just can't look only at the player's strengths.

A fair assessment which would be helpful for projecting the player's ranking and for the selection the Canucks finally make has to consider both sides of the equation. Chis Kelly mentioned in his quote that all D-Man in the Top 10 have notable weaknesses. Personally, without having seen those players play, I would say he is right: 

 

- Boqvist and Hughes: undersized, lack of physicality / Boqvist: concussions in the early stage of his career 

- Bouchard:   serious concerns about his Hockey IQ and speed

- Dobson:      indeed he had a great showing at the Memorial Cup, but I think his upside is limited, especially compared to the upside of Boqvist and Hughes

 

I remember one statement from  JB which was  part  of an report in "The Province". The essence of this statement was that the Canucks very much like a D-Man which should be availabe at spot 37 implicitly saying that there is no necessity to draft a D-Man with their 1st pick. I admit that this report was published  several weeks ago and that JB could have changed his mind / strategy in the meantime. 

 

I could see the following scenario:

Habs at #3 are shocking the world taking the best Centerman available in this years draft: Kotkaniemi. It is well known that the Habs are desperately in need of C.

Consequence would be that either Zadina or Svechnikov would be still available at 4. Teams picking  from 4 through 6 most likely are going  to draft defensemen.

Ottawa:  let's say Boqvist or Hughes

Arizona: also D, they are deep at forward, one of Boqvist or Hughes

Detroit:  Bouchard / if the sources out of Detroit are valid

 

Consequence would be that players like: Wahlstrom, Tkachuk and either Zadina or Svechnikov would still be on the board at #7.

 

 

I just can't see montreal taking Kotkaniemi at 3. They will either trade down or take someone else. As for the glaring deficiencies, Dobson's upside is limited by what exactly? He is excellent at everything, maybe not a 'master' at any one thing and we are only 'judging' his upside because of the other D that may also be on the board who we 'project' to have higher upside. In reality Dobson's upside could be the highest and we just don't know it yet. Sure Boqvist and Hughes 'could' eventually score 60-70 points a season but they will NEVER be known as defensive specialists due to their size. It's just not physically possible. I see Dobson's floor as 30 points with 50 point upside but could also be an excellent shut-down defender in his own right.

 

As for drafting a player like Wahlstrom or Tkachuk, both are projected as wingers and in trade value will garner a lot less than what you could achieve if you got near full value out of drafting a defenseman. Like someone already said, no one will trade you Sergachev/McAvoy/Provorov/Werenski for Boeser. Good luck if you ever expect to get an excellent top pairing D-man for majority of wingers in the league in a one-for-one trade. Chance of you getting a top pairing defender in round 2 are almost nil...it is a pipe dream. You HAVE to draft them in the first round or else you are leaving everything to chance. 

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1 hour ago, TGokou said:

I just can't see montreal taking Kotkaniemi at 3. They will either trade down or take someone else. As for the glaring deficiencies, Dobson's upside is limited by what exactly? He is excellent at everything, maybe not a 'master' at any one thing and we are only 'judging' his upside because of the other D that may also be on the board who we 'project' to have higher upside. In reality Dobson's upside could be the highest and we just don't know it yet. Sure Boqvist and Hughes 'could' eventually score 60-70 points a season but they will NEVER be known as defensive specialists due to their size. It's just not physically possible. I see Dobson's floor as 30 points with 50 point upside but could also be an excellent shut-down defender in his own right.

 

As for drafting a player like Wahlstrom or Tkachuk, both are projected as wingers and in trade value will garner a lot less than what you could achieve if you got near full value out of drafting a defenseman. Like someone already said, no one will trade you Sergachev/McAvoy/Provorov/Werenski for Boeser. Good luck if you ever expect to get an excellent top pairing D-man for majority of wingers in the league in a one-for-one trade. Chance of you getting a top pairing defender in round 2 are almost nil...it is a pipe dream. You HAVE to draft them in the first round or else you are leaving everything to chance. 

Agree. Apart from Dahlin, there is no clear consensus on how the five next best D are ranked. That tells us not only are they all deemed "inferior" to Dahlin, but they are all considered at least top 4 D. The ceiling for most is usually a #1 D (not necessarily a franchise D, like Dahlin). And these kids are all only 17 or 18...so, of course they are going to have "faults". The game has changed in the NHL. So-called undersized D are no longer anathema. Speed, passing, agility, hockey smarts all outweigh size and toughness. And, the big factor that has brought sea-change to the draft lately is the rise of the Euros, both D and forwards. That, itself, is a reflection of how the NHL game has changed.

 

The idea that you do not draft D in the top 10 reeks of mis-applied statistics. Every draft is different. Comparing drafts along those lines, without understanding the particular context of each draft is a mistake. Unfortunately, we do it all the time! Even Pronman, in my opinion, applies similar parameters with his rankings. And, finally, seeing Boqvist as "small" at 5' 11" (and, therefore, I assume "risky") is short-sighted (pun intended!). He is only 17. He is very likely to add a couple of inches over the next couple of years (refer to his brother, Jesper).

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2 hours ago, TGokou said:

I just can't see montreal taking Kotkaniemi at 3. They will either trade down or take someone else. As for the glaring deficiencies, Dobson's upside is limited by what exactly? He is excellent at everything, maybe not a 'master' at any one thing and we are only 'judging' his upside because of the other D that may also be on the board who we 'project' to have higher upside. In reality Dobson's upside could be the highest and we just don't know it yet. Sure Boqvist and Hughes 'could' eventually score 60-70 points a season but they will NEVER be known as defensive specialists due to their size. It's just not physically possible. I see Dobson's floor as 30 points with 50 point upside but could also be an excellent shut-down defender in his own right.

 

As for drafting a player like Wahlstrom or Tkachuk, both are projected as wingers and in trade value will garner a lot less than what you could achieve if you got near full value out of drafting a defenseman. Like someone already said, no one will trade you Sergachev/McAvoy/Provorov/Werenski for Boeser. Good luck if you ever expect to get an excellent top pairing D-man for majority of wingers in the league in a one-for-one trade. Chance of you getting a top pairing defender in round 2 are almost nil...it is a pipe dream. You HAVE to draft them in the first round or else you are leaving everything to chance. 

While I appreciate your sharing of these thoughts, I cannot agree that, "no one will trade you Sergachev/McAvoy/Provorov/Werenski for Boeser".

I think you could get any of those players for Boeser and would not part with Brock for just one of them without a serious addition of some kind.

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14 minutes ago, Goal:thecup said:

While I appreciate your sharing of these thoughts, I cannot agree that, "no one will trade you Sergachev/McAvoy/Provorov/Werenski for Boeser".

I think you could get any of those players for Boeser and would not part with Brock for just one of them without a serious addition of some kind.

Unfortunately that does not appear to be the reality as I've never seen a winger traded for a top defenseman. Heck Johansen  who was already a #1 C got traded for an 'up and coming' not yet 1st pairing D-man Seth Jones. Taylor Hall got traded for a second pairing D-man. Pretty sure Johansen wouldn't get traded for Boeser and if that trade were available you'd do it in a heartbeat.

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27 minutes ago, TGokou said:

Unfortunately that does not appear to be the reality as I've never seen a winger traded for a top defenseman. Heck Johansen  who was already a #1 C got traded for an 'up and coming' not yet 1st pairing D-man Seth Jones. Taylor Hall got traded for a second pairing D-man. Pretty sure Johansen wouldn't get traded for Boeser and if that trade were available you'd do it in a heartbeat.

If you have excess top quality defensive prospects (Nashville), why wouldn't you trade them for something you need.

Also no I wouldn't trade Boeser for Johansen. Forsberg and Arvidsson do a lot for that top line. 

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6 hours ago, Camel Toe Drag said:

Is this actually real though? I've only heard "he said, she said" on this topic with no real proof. I doubt Holland tips his hand that hard. 

I doubt that too but it seems legit. She is a good reporter and not like botulism at the province.

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