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8 minutes ago, Kanukfanatic said:

We need to build through centre ice or on defense. My choice would be Dobson but would be very happy with Kotkaniemi. 

Wouldn't mind Hughes too man. Kid's defense is actually good for a young player minus the one play against Notre dame.

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4 hours ago, Horvat is a Boss said:

 

He's very Barzal like. And could be a Barzal type player too.

 

Not as fast, but his edge work and agility is similar.

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2 hours ago, Goal:thecup said:

While I appreciate your sharing of these thoughts, I cannot agree that, "no one will trade you Sergachev/McAvoy/Provorov/Werenski for Boeser".

I think you could get any of those players for Boeser and would not part with Brock for just one of them without a serious addition of some kind.

I respect that opinion.  I should not have suggested no one. I would be surprised however if an NHL GM would trade a young Doughty. I did not include Sergachev on my list just for clarity. A notch down.

 

Hall for Larsson is of course the famous of how good a winger you must put up to get a top D?  And in my opinion (again, just mine), Provorov & Werenski > Larsson.

 

It took a 6'4'' top line centre, as someone else noted. to get Seth Jones.   

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23 minutes ago, Canuck Surfer said:

I respect that opinion.  I should not have suggested no one. I would be surprised however if an NHL GM would trade a young Doughty. I did not include Sergachev on my list just for clarity. A notch down.

 

Hall for Larsson is of course the famous of how good a winger you must put up to get a top D?  And in my opinion (again, just mine), Provorov & Werenski > Larsson.

 

It took a 6'4'' top line centre, as someone else noted. to get Seth Jones.   

Using Chiarelli trades as status quo will get you in a trouble. 

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27 minutes ago, Canuck Surfer said:

I respect that opinion.  I should not have suggested no one. I would be surprised however if an NHL GM would trade a young Doughty. I did not include Sergachev on my list just for clarity. A notch down.

 

Hall for Larsson is of course the famous of how good a winger you must put up to get a top D?  And in my opinion (again, just mine), Provorov & Werenski > Larsson.

 

It took a 6'4'' top line centre, as someone else noted. to get Seth Jones.   

(I thought I was quoting TGokou, but looking back I see you had posted something similar with several of the same names involved.)

 

On balance, I think you pay a lot for top talent in any position and disagreed that we could not get any of those D for Boesser.

 

With the year Brock was having until his injury, everyone knows he is very good, we just don't know how good yet, and he is that rare bird, the true goalscorer.

 

I think Pettersson will make the team this year (first of his draft class) and the mere daydream of the two on our PP1 puts me over the top.

 

We have to keep these top talents and if we were to part with Boesser, it would be for a lot more than those D mentioned.

 

On the 2018 draft, I think I like Bouchard but the discussions here have him too good to be there at #7 down to taking any other top 5 (?) D before taking him.

 

I don't know, I guess I'm hoping he's not good enough to get taken before we get a chance, but good enough to be a stalwart top 2 RHD for us for a long time.

 

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5 hours ago, Horvat is a Boss said:

 

Something that might not get notice on this particular play is that he drew, not one but both defenders on him, leaving his winger wide open. If his winger was a bit closer to the play, he would have gotten a great shooting chance in the slot. 

 

This is why I'm very high on Veleno. He has the ability to draw guys on him with his skating and still make a play to his teammates. 

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I think this draft will be crazy - after the top 2 there's no clear cut best player, although Zadina "Should" go number 3 as he is arguably a step above the rest. But it really depends on the team. Montreal needs a young center badly. Kotkaniemi, Veleno, Wahlstrom (if they can move him back to center) could plausibly be taken.

 

It really will be a crap shoot after #3 at least given all these defenseman have different styles and different strengths and weaknesses. We will get a good player for sure, but the scouts will really have to have done their jobs this year!

 

I personally am a fan of Hughes, Dobson, Bouchard (in that order), and forward Wahlstrom and Kotkaniemi - a few of those guys will be available. I think interviews and 'character" will separate these players, and who we pick. JB and Linden have been focusing on drafting not only talented kid but those who are leaders and want to get better. Whomever we get will be a valuable piece but I'd like to see hughes or dobson personally

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18 minutes ago, shiznak said:

Something that might not get notice on this particular play is that he drew, not one but both defenders on him, leaving his winger wide open. If his winger was a bit closer to the play, he would have gotten a great shooting chance in the slot. 

 

This is why I'm very high on Veleno. He has the ability to draw guys on him with his skating and still make a play to his teammates. 

 

As others have pointed out, the similarities are there to Barzal in terms of creating space for himself and his teammates with this skating (similar to what Hughes does, but he's a defenseman). He's likely not as high end as Barzal, but a similar player. I absolutely love play driving centers and Veleno has the potential to be one of those. 

 

The thing that really sticks out to me though is his non stop motor. He's always working extremely hard with or without the puck. His forechecking is tenacious and he's hungry to win the puck back at all times. I've seen him win the puck from bigger guys and even knock them over by working extremely hard to get body position. That's a really good quality to have.

 

I see Veleno as a good bet to turn into a solid 2nd line center who can play with pretty much anyone and make them better. He's almost a pure playmaker (although his shot is good) and really likes setting up others. If we acquire a pick in the 10-15 range and take him, he and Horvat as our top 6 centers would have a lot of energy, intensity and impact on the game. 

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39 minutes ago, Horvat is a Boss said:

 

As others have pointed out, the similarities are there to Barzal in terms of creating space for himself and his teammates with this skating (similar to what Hughes does, but he's a defenseman). He's likely not as high end as Barzal, but a similar player. I absolutely love play driving centers and Veleno has the potential to be one of those. 

 

The thing that really sticks out to me though is his non stop motor. He's always working extremely hard with or without the puck. His forechecking is tenacious and he's hungry to win the puck back at all times. I've seen him win the puck from bigger guys and even knock them over by working extremely hard to get body position. That's a really good quality to have.

 

I see Veleno as a good bet to turn into a solid 2nd line center who can play with pretty much anyone and make them better. He's almost a pure playmaker (although his shot is good) and really likes setting up others. If we acquire a pick in the 10-15 range and take him, he and Horvat as our top 6 centers would have a lot of energy, intensity and impact on the game. 

He's 6'1 195 already too apparently (according to hockey db) - with that size and those wheels and edge work, he may go much higher.

 

Petterson, Horvat, Valeno, Gaudette - we will have the best young C depth in the league. Would love to see JB find a way to get another top 10 (ie tanev)

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- Boqvist is really low, way lower than any top 10 pick should be. It wouldn't be a big deal if there were one or two surprises ahead of him, but he's last on that list. 

 

- Addison, Sandin and Miller would be great pickups at 37th.

 

- There really shouldn't be much debate whether Svechnikov is the best forward in this draft or not. 

 

- Farabee's numbers are pretty similar to Wahlstrom's (they played on the same line). 

 

- Wise would be a great 2nd/3rd rounder. 

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4 hours ago, Goal:thecup said:

(I thought I was quoting TGokou, but looking back I see you had posted something similar with several of the same names involved.)

 

On balance, I think you pay a lot for top talent in any position and disagreed that we could not get any of those D for Boesser.

 

With the year Brock was having until his injury, everyone knows he is very good, we just don't know how good yet, and he is that rare bird, the true goalscorer.

 

I think Pettersson will make the team this year (first of his draft class) and the mere daydream of the two on our PP1 puts me over the top.

 

We have to keep these top talents and if we were to part with Boesser, it would be for a lot more than those D mentioned.

 

On the 2018 draft, I think I like Bouchard but the discussions here have him too good to be there at #7 down to taking any other top 5 (?) D before taking him.

 

I don't know, I guess I'm hoping he's not good enough to get taken before we get a chance, but good enough to be a stalwart top 2 RHD for us for a long time.

 

Look, I'm also conservative by nature. I don't advocate trading Boeser. For Provorov, or Werenski.

 

I like what Nashville did 2 years ago with SEth Jones. And LA in 2011. They accumulated assets till they had more D in Nashville's case, and more good young forwards in LA case? Than they could fit and deploy in the line up. Then, from a position of strength, they traded for need. To a lesser degree Columbus did the same, having Wennberg looking like he could be a solid top 6, possible top line C at the time of the trade? Dubinsky & Foligno in tow as veterans & Pierre Luc Dubois in their pipeline? That 1D was irresistible.  

 

In our case, that would / might mean selecting Wahlstrom to compliment Boeser. Which I'm not against if JB thinks that is best? Then next year, another dynamite RW is BPA. You get to a point where you have so many, but have not yet addressed D? We're not that position yet. So I keep trying to draw cards, draft picks. 

 

But my point was, as exciting as Boeser is? He does not have Taylor Hall size or speed. Just a knack for constantly making the right play, positioning himself perfect, protecting the puck & the wicked shot to capitalize. Philly for example has Simmonds & Voracek at RW, Konecny coming along. They're not going to give up their 20 year old 1D Provorov. It would not make sense. Columbus has the prototypically perfect top pair in Werenski & Jones. I doubt they trade either for Boeser.  I don't deny a Canuck fan, I'm one as well, the belief that Boeser would have that much pull.  I'm just trying to be realistic. Even if we wanted to, its probably not on offer.

 

My real hopes are firmly pinned atm to us taking advantage of a defence deep draft.   

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49 minutes ago, Horvat is a Boss said:

 

- Boqvist is really low, way lower than any top 10 pick should be. It wouldn't be a big deal if there were one or two surprises ahead of him, but he's last on that list. 

 

- Addison, Sandin and Miller would be great pickups at 37th.

 

- There really shouldn't be much debate whether Svechnikov is the best forward in this draft or not. 

 

- Farabee's numbers are pretty similar to Wahlstrom's (they played on the same line). 

 

- Wise would be a great 2nd/3rd rounder. 

Wise, Gruden or Fonstad at our 3rd would be incredible.

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59 minutes ago, Horvat is a Boss said:

 

- Boqvist is really low, way lower than any top 10 pick should be. It wouldn't be a big deal if there were one or two surprises ahead of him, but he's last on that list. 

 

- Addison, Sandin and Miller would be great pickups at 37th.

 

- There really shouldn't be much debate whether Svechnikov is the best forward in this draft or not. 

 

- Farabee's numbers are pretty similar to Wahlstrom's (they played on the same line). 

 

- Wise would be a great 2nd/3rd rounder. 

Is there a name I cannot see attached to each player on that chart???  :huh: 

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5 hours ago, Horvat is a Boss said:

 

As others have pointed out, the similarities are there to Barzal in terms of creating space for himself and his teammates with this skating (similar to what Hughes does, but he's a defenseman). He's likely not as high end as Barzal, but a similar player. I absolutely love play driving centers and Veleno has the potential to be one of those. 

 

The thing that really sticks out to me though is his non stop motor. He's always working extremely hard with or without the puck. His forechecking is tenacious and he's hungry to win the puck back at all times. I've seen him win the puck from bigger guys and even knock them over by working extremely hard to get body position. That's a really good quality to have.

 

I see Veleno as a good bet to turn into a solid 2nd line center who can play with pretty much anyone and make them better. He's almost a pure playmaker (although his shot is good) and really likes setting up others. If we acquire a pick in the 10-15 range and take him, he and Horvat as our top 6 centers would have a lot of energy, intensity and impact on the game. 

Another thing what I like about Veleno is he can play just about any style, which is why it’s really hard to compare him with anyone. I hear he plays like Barzal, Thornton, Bergeron, Nugent Hopkins, Schwartz, amongst others. That certainly a unique range of players. 

 

He can also pretty much play in all situations and be effective in that role. Whether it be penalty killing or his bed-and-butter quarterbacking on the powerplay.

 

Like I said, I wouldn’t mind JB selecting him at 7, in this draft. I feel he should be mentioned as the same tier as the likes of Wahlstrom, Dobson, Bouchard and Kotkaniemi. 

 

He would fit perfectly with either Boeser or Pettersson as his wingman. Plus, he the type of player we somewhat lack, a true playmaking center.

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4 hours ago, SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME said:

I like Veleno, but he feels like a slight reach at 7. I’d trust our scouts if they made that call, but he’s just not quite that high on my personal list.

 

2019 looks to be a really good year for drafting centres in the first round.

would be nice if we find a way to another top 10 (cough cough edmonton, tanev), and get Hughes/Dobson/Bouchard and one of Kotkaniemi/Valeno/Walhstrom - pipeline would be bursting at the seams. And we'd get another high pick next year!

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2 hours ago, Horvat is a Boss said:

 

- Boqvist is really low, way lower than any top 10 pick should be. It wouldn't be a big deal if there were one or two surprises ahead of him, but he's last on that list. 

 

- Addison, Sandin and Miller would be great pickups at 37th.

 

- There really shouldn't be much debate whether Svechnikov is the best forward in this draft or not. 

 

- Farabee's numbers are pretty similar to Wahlstrom's (they played on the same line). 

 

- Wise would be a great 2nd/3rd rounder. 

So we need 2 top tens and need to get Bouchard or Hughes or Smith, and Wahlstrom or Kotkaniemi

 

Done! Tanev to Edmonton!

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13 minutes ago, shiznak said:

Another thing what I like about Veleno is he can play just about any style, which is why it’s really hard to compare him with anyone. I hear he plays like Barzal, Thornton, Bergeron, Nugent Hopkins, Schwartz, amongst others. That certainly a unique range of players. 

 

He can also pretty much play in all situations and be effective in that role. Whether it be penalty killing or his bed-and-butter quarterbacking on the powerplay.

 

Like I said, I wouldn’t mind JB selecting him at 7, in this draft. I feel he should be mentioned as the same tier as the likes of Wahlstrom, Dobson, Bouchard and Kotkaniemi. 

 

He would fit perfectly with either Boeser or Pettersson as his wingman. Plus, he the type of player we somewhat lack, a true playmaking center.

 

The fact that he's responsible defensively in addition to being an extremely hard worker with skill makes him (as well as Kotkaniemi or possibly Lundestrom) a fit with pretty much anyone in the lineup and capable of playing in any situation. He could play in a prime offensive role with players like Pettersson and/or Boeser, a middle 6 scoring role with players like Baertschi or (potentially) Lind or even on an energy line with guys like Virtanen. There's no spot in the lineup where he looks completely out of place (top line might be wishful, but players like Pettersson/Boeser can elevate Veleno). That's very valuable and something that a coach would love. 

 

The identity for the next core would be apparent up front; every center would be a hard working 200ft player. Putting Horvat's size, power and brute force on the top line and then following it up with Veleno's speed, agility and quickness would be tough for other teams to match. Again, I would really like the intensity and responsibility that all of our centers could potentially play and spread throughout the lineup. It would make us a tough team to play against.

 

Imagine having this as a balanced attack:

 

Dahlen - Horvat - Pettersson

Baertschi - Veleno - Boeser

Virtanen - Gaudette - Lind

 

I'm also of the opinion that we need to draft another center, but probably not this year unless it's with an acquired pick. Next year is strong for centers apparently. 

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