TryamkinsRevenge Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 Just now, Petterrson's Dangle said: So then a great one two punch Find a LD pp QB - easier and cheaper than right, play him with Larsson Then you have a great shut down on the next line PP QB (RNH trade) / Larsson Nurse / Tanev That's a much better top 4 and / or find a strong vet (ie Dehaan UFA, or Jack Johnson) /Tanev They are a much better team with Tanev on the back end, and it solves ONE of their problems You know very well they won’t be willing to give up what it takes to get him. He’s more valuable to our team than anywhere else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 Just now, Petterrson's Dangle said: So then a great one two punch Find a LD pp QB - easier and cheaper than right, play him with Larsson Then you have a great shut down on the next line PP QB (RNH trade) / Larsson Nurse / Tanev That's a much better top 4 and / or find a strong vet (ie Dehaan UFA, or Jack Johnson) /Tanev They are a much better team with Tanev on the back end, and it solves ONE of their problems The problem with your proposal is RNH has little to no value. He’s overpaid for a third line center. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TryamkinsRevenge Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 Just now, Alflives said: I think the Oilers would love to get Brady Tkachuk. I’d propose 7 for Poolparty +10. Don’t want Hamilton at all. Too soft. Not a player to win with. You really think the Oilers would just toss away a 4th overall pick who still has great potential to move up 3 spots?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 Just now, TryamkinsRevenge said: You really think the Oilers would just toss away a 4th overall pick who still has great potential to move up 3 spots?? To keep Brady Tkatchuk from Calgary (plus Brady T. would be the ideal winger for McDavid) yes, I firmly believe the Oilers would make that deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petterrson's Dangle Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 2 minutes ago, Alflives said: The problem with your proposal is RNH has little to no value. He’s overpaid for a third line center. Alot of teams could use him. He's a capable 2nd line center, he's better than a 3c. Issue is with McDavid and Draisaitl, he drops to 3. Ottawa, Chicago, Toronto (if they lose Bozak), Arizona would love him, Isles if they lose Tavares, Montreal for certain given their lack of C's, Dallas, Ducks if Kesler can't come back, Detroit - many many teams could use him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flickyoursedin Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 14 minutes ago, Petterrson's Dangle said: Edmonton Goals Against: 263 (25th of 31) SRS: -0.32 (21st of 31) PK: 76.73% League average 79.82% It's pretty apparent, even from an Eye test, Edmonton had issues on their back end defensively, the stats back up that assertion. Whether THEY want admit it or not, is a different question, but suggesting that team doesn't need help defensively is not accurate in my view. They do have issues on their backend that need help. Larsson was not enough That’s why I think Chia who is prone to making terrible trades could be convinced with the numbers that an offensive dman isn’t the kind he needs. I feel like a trade around Tanev and the 10th plus Lucic could be a pretty good basis. Obviously add to even it out but taking Lucic may be the only thing the Canucks can do for Edmonton that other teams can’t that could make them the front runners for that 10th overall. We don’t need cap space for a while may as well get added value in trades by taking on some bad contracts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 1 minute ago, Petterrson's Dangle said: Alot of teams could use him. He's a capable 2nd line center, he's better than a 3c. Issue is with McDavid and Draisaitl, he drops to 3. Ottawa, Chicago, Toronto (if they lose Bozak), Arizona would love him, Isles if they lose Tavares, Montreal for certain given their lack of C's - many many teams could use him. Sure plenty of team would want RNH, but they would expect 2 million is salary retention, and will not give up much to get him. If the Oilers really want a top young Dman in trade their only asset of that value (they are not trading McDavid) is Draisatl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petterrson's Dangle Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 1 minute ago, flickyoursedin said: That’s why I think Chia who is prone to making terrible trades could be convinced with the numbers that an offensive dman isn’t the kind he needs. I feel like a trade around Tanev and the 10th plus Lucic could be a pretty good basis. Obviously add to even it out but taking Lucic may be the only thing the Canucks can do for Edmonton that other teams can’t that could make them the front runners for that 10th overall. We don’t need cap space for a while may as well get added value in trades by taking on some bad contracts. Ya I don't trade Tanev for 10 and Lucic. We can get a first rounder from Tanev from elsewhere vs taking on that albatross. We already have a bad contract in Erickson, we can't afford 2. Unless Edmonton retains 50% of that contract its not worth it, or they throw in Pool party Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petterrson's Dangle Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 Just now, Alflives said: Sure plenty of team would want RNH, but they would expect 2 million is salary retention, and will not give up much to get him. If the Oilers really want a top young Dman in trade their only asset of that value (they are not trading McDavid) is Draisatl I wasn't suggesting a young dman. I suggested they trade for Tanev, then fill the PP QB hole with a LD (for RNH) who is probably in the same age range as tanev. Ie 26-27 range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flickyoursedin Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 4 minutes ago, Alflives said: To keep Brady Tkatchuk from Calgary (plus Brady T. would be the ideal winger for McDavid) yes, I firmly believe the Oilers would make that deal. That would make for great tv! The battle of Alberta would be even better with Tkachuk versus Tkachuk! I’d easily do that trade as I feel Poolparty>Tkachuk. Depending on who was left at 7 though I’d be pretty tempted to just use the pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 4 minutes ago, flickyoursedin said: That would make for great tv! The battle of Alberta would be even better with Tkachuk versus Tkachuk! I’d easily do that trade as I feel Poolparty>Tkachuk. Depending on who was left at 7 though I’d be pretty tempted to just use the pick. The Battle of Alberta would be must watch TV for sure! Plus, I read before Poolparty’s spdraft that he can play center. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flickyoursedin Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 14 minutes ago, Petterrson's Dangle said: Ya I don't trade Tanev for 10 and Lucic. We can get a first rounder from Tanev from elsewhere vs taking on that albatross. We already have a bad contract in Erickson, we can't afford 2. Unless Edmonton retains 50% of that contract its not worth it, or they throw in Pool party I wasn’t proposing Tanev straight up for the 10th and Lucic. I said other pieces to be added but this as a basis of a trade could work. Tanev has his warts so to get the edge from other teams taking on Lucic is something we can EASILY do that other teams can’t. We have more entry level contracts coming on the team and it looks to be that way yearly so with our 20 million in cap space I think we could add a bad contract or two to get premium value in trades. By the time we needed cap space both Eriksson and Lucic will be gone anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanukfanatic Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 22 minutes ago, Alflives said: The problem with your proposal is RNH has little to no value. He’s overpaid for a third line center. I am no RNH fan but he was 38th overall in p/gm last year (as a centre). He is not a 3rd line centre. He is a very solid 2nd liner imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petterrson's Dangle Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 3 minutes ago, flickyoursedin said: I wasn’t proposing Tanev straight up for the 10th and Lucic. I said other pieces to be added but this as a basis of a trade could work. Tanev has his warts so to get the edge from other teams taking on Lucic is something we can EASILY do that other teams can’t. We have more entry level contracts coming on the team and it looks to be that way yearly so with our 20 million in cap space I think we could add a bad contract or two to get premium value in trades. Agreed, but we also will soon have to pay Boeser ALOT, then in 3 years petterson ALOT, and we will still have Lucic and Erickson on there, and a few years left, with Demko, maybe Tryamkin, Dhalen, etc re-upping. Its not the next 2-3 years I worry about, its 3-5 when we still have him and Erickson, they cant be moved and our young guys start getting more buckeroos! Plus makes more sense to handcuff Edmonton, vs help them out as they have McDavid and alot of talent. Its strategic. A 10th pick is not even close to enough, as it helps them more than it helps us, and we are giving away tanev. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 1 minute ago, Kanukfanatic said: I am no RNH fan but he was 38th overall in p/gm last year. He is not a 3rd line centre. He is a very solid 2nd liner imo. And playing that second line center role, and the added pressure coming with it, how did the Oilers do? Yes, on a weak team, RNH is a second line center. On a good team he’s maybe only playing wing in the bottom six. His Cap is too high for what he offers. That’s why I think the Oilers would need to retain, and take back a B level return. Draisatl is their only real valuable asset, other than McDavid. And if Draisatl continues to prove he is not a center, his value will drop too. He’s paid A LOT to be a center, and not a winger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flickyoursedin Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 10 minutes ago, Petterrson's Dangle said: Agreed, but we also will soon have to pay Boeser ALOT, then in 3 years petterson ALOT, and we will still have Lucic and Erickson on there, and a few years left, with Demko, maybe Tryamkin, Dhalen, etc re-upping. Its not the next 2-3 years I worry about, its 3-5 when we still have him and Erickson, they cant be moved and our young guys start getting more buckeroos! Plus makes more sense to handcuff Edmonton, vs help them out as they have McDavid and alot of talent. Its strategic. A 10th pick is not even close to enough, as it helps them more than it helps us, and we are giving away tanev. Having a 10th overall pick helps us more than trading Tanev to the limited teams actually looking. Whom else is looking Toronto and the 25th overall? Take the best deal and stop worrying about within division bs. I don’t care about Edmonton. It’s the best deal for Vancouver I care about and the 10th overall has a much better percentage of being a gamer than the 25th overall. Stop worrying about 3-5 years from now you don’t know what could happen then. Other contracts will come off the books or players will be traded or heck maybe we trade Eriksson or Lucic plus to a bottom feeder to eat the contract. That’s how it works. Do what every other rebuilding team with cap space is doing and take advantage of other teams that need it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 23 minutes ago, Alflives said: The problem with your proposal is RNH has little to no value. He’s overpaid for a third line center. 48 points in 64 games is pretty solid. He likely found a home as a top 6 left winger opposed to a pure center. People saying Nuge has little to no value probably said the same thing about Eberle. Don't let your hate for every Canadian team but Vancouver blind you. 6 mil isn't too bad either given Kane is getting paid 7 mil for 50 points. He is a left winger than can play with a right hand center to take the faceoffs on the strong side. Similar to how the Sutter and Sedin line worked for a bit. They would take draws on their strong side and for a while our faceoff percentage wasn't a complete joke. Nuge isn't the guy they hoped he would be, but I'd say he is a bonafide top 6 player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 3 minutes ago, N7Nucks said: 48 points in 64 games is pretty solid. He likely found a home as a top 6 left winger opposed to a pure center. People saying Nuge has little to no value probably said the same thing about Eberle. Don't let your hate for every Canadian team but Vancouver blind you. 6 mil isn't too bad either given Kane is getting paid 7 mil for 50 points. He is a left winger than can play with a right hand center to take the faceoffs on the strong side. Similar to how the Sutter and Sedin line worked for a bit. They would take draws on their strong side and for a while our faceoff percentage wasn't a complete joke. Nuge isn't the guy they hoped he would be, but I'd say he is a bonafide top 6 player. RNH is a top six winger on a crappy team, yes I agree. He’s much like Baer in that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 49 minutes ago, Petterrson's Dangle said: Edmonton Goals Against: 263 (25th of 31) SRS: -0.32 (21st of 31) PK: 76.73% League average 79.82% It's pretty apparent, even from an Eye test, Edmonton had issues on their back end defensively, the stats back up that assertion. Whether THEY want admit it or not, is a different question, but suggesting that team doesn't need help defensively is not accurate in my view. They do have issues on their backend that need help. Larsson was not enough Using Goals against as logic for needing tanev does not equate to need. Unless you forgot how bad Talbot played. Or you forgot that sekeras was injured for half the year or you completely whiffed not knowing that klefbom was also injured and only playing at about 60%. there is a reason why gm already public stated what they are looking for. A player like tanev was no one of them. And if you really want to look at the eye test. Take a look at what there d core consist of. A lot of players in the same mold of tanev. Hence why they arent looking for a player like him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted May 27, 2018 Share Posted May 27, 2018 13 minutes ago, Alflives said: RNH is a top six winger on a crappy team, yes I agree. He’s much like Baer in that way. You know nothing Jon Snow. I wish with all my heart Baer could be on Nuge's level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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