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2 minutes ago, N7Nucks said:

You know nothing Jon Snow. I wish with all my heart Baer could be on Nuge's level.

“Jon Snow”?  :lol:

I’ve heard of Garth Snow.  For what .baer gets paid, compare that to RNH and his contract.  

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1 minute ago, Alflives said:

“Jon Snow”?  :lol:

I’ve heard of Garth Snow.  For what .baer gets paid, compare that to RNH and his contract.  

Is he overpaid? Sure by like a 500k-750k at best. Over the course of a full season Nuge scores roughly 20 more points than Baer would over a full season. Nuge can take faceoffs, 48% isn't great but isn't terrible. Better defensively. He hit more than Baer too. You are just hating on Nuge cause he is on Edmonton.

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21 minutes ago, ForsbergTheGreat said:

Using Goals against as logic for needing tanev does not equate to need. Unless you forgot how bad Talbot played. Or you forgot that sekeras was injured for half the year or you completely whiffed not knowing that klefbom was also injured and only playing at about 60%. there is a reason why gm already public stated what they are looking for. A player like tanev was no one of them. And if you really want to look at the eye test. Take a look at what there d core consist of. A lot of players in the same mold of tanev. Hence why they arent looking for a player like him. 

"mold" of tanev vs a top 5 shot suppresser in the league is a very different story

 

Part of goaltending woes for those who have played the game is also "where the shots" come from / quality of chances. It doesn't matter how good your goalie is if your defense sucks - AKA Carey Price, Lou in his last year here, Miller to an extent, Dubnik in edmonton, etc. A great goalie can still look weak if your team gives up high quality scoring chances friend. NHL forwards will light you up if you give them time and space in the right spots, even 4th liners.

 

Your implying that Tanev wouldn't have a material impact on an awful defense is absurd sorry. Your goalie can be GOD and if your defense stinks in the NHL you will get lit up. Not to say Talbot is in the class of those goalies but I think you are missing the important interaction of defense and bad goaltending. Generally, a higher goals against, is actually a sign of a poor defensive system than it is goaltending. Most NHL goalies are pretty solid. If you have a solid d corps in front of them and a team that plays a good system, even an average goalie can look good. But no defense, a poor system, your goalie gets lit up.

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1 hour ago, Petterrson's Dangle said:

That's a better argument but that's simply assuming they are in denial of their major problems back there. 

 they have zero need for a player like tanev. This has been debated 1000 times. Oilers are not in the market for a player like tanev. And finally cherelli put it to rest yet we still see the same proposals being posted over and over. People need to actually look at other teams rosters before they start throwing offers around.

Russell = defensive defensmen

nurse = defensive defensemen

larsson = defensive defensemen

klefbom = all around D. 

Sekeras = all around D

Benning = all around/ defensive defensemen 

 

hey crazy idea let’s send the oilers another defensive defensemen. I’m sure they will be willing to pay the 10th overall for it. Haha nope.

 

Klefbom larsson

nurse sekeras

russell benning

Jones Bear

 

Oilers need there D core to stay healthy. They need talbot to not player like garbage and they need an actually pk unit upfront. Kassian is not the answer the guy had less blocked shots in half a roster then kes did in his first game back from injury this year. And last year they even resorted to playing mcdavid and Leon.  They need a brad Richardson type. Then they also need some offense from the back end. Someone that can move the puck quickly out of the zone. It’s why they have been linked to Tyson Barrie. You try to add tanev and ppqb and your essentailly sitting at minimum 4 million cap hit in the stands each night. While them being a cap ceiling team. 

 

 

 

 

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Just now, ForsbergTheGreat said:

 they have zero need for a player like tanev. This has been debated 1000 times. Oilers are not in the market for a player like tanev. And finally cherelli put it to rest yet we still see the same proposals being posted over and over. People need to actually look at other teams rosters before they start throwing offers around.

Russell = defensive defensmen

nurse = defensive defensemen

larsson = defensive defensemen

klefbom = all around D. 

Sekeras = all around D

Benning = all around/ defensive defensemen 

 

hey crazy idea let’s send the oilers another defensive defensemen. I’m sure they will be willing to pay the 10th overall for it. Haha nope.

 

Klefbom larsson

nurse sekeras

russell benning

Jones Bear

 

Oilers need there D core to stay healthy. They need talbot to not player like garbage and they need an actually pk unit upfront. Kassian is not the answer the guy had less blocked shots in half a roster then kes did in his first game back from injury this year. And last year they even resorted to playing mcdavid and Leon.  They need a brad Richardson type. Then they also need some offense from the back end. Someone that can move the puck quickly out of the zone. It’s why they have been linked to Tyson Barrie. You try to add tanev and ppqb and your essentailly sitting at minimum 4 million cap hit in the stands each night. While them being a cap ceiling team. 

 

 

 

 

Their defense sucked, Tanev is a top 5 defensive dman in the NHL and one of the best players in the league at shot suppression -those names are not. He would make that defense materially better, and they could trade any one of those players. Last time I checked the key to improving is moving out underperformers and bringing in better talent. 

 

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32 minutes ago, Alflives said:

RNH is a top six winger on a crappy team, yes I agree.  He’s much like Baer in that way.  

Don't compare rnh to Baer lol nugent is solid, if you think otherwise then you haven't actually watched him play. 

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14 minutes ago, Petterrson's Dangle said:

"mold" of tanev vs a top 5 shot suppresser in the league is a very different story

 

Part of goaltending woes for those who have played the game is also "where the shots" come from / quality of chances. It doesn't matter how good your goalie is if you your defense sucks - AKA Carey Price, Lou in his last year here, Miller to an extent, Dubnik, etc. A great goalie can still look weak if your team gives up high quality scoring chances friend.

 

I love when people use that quote to me.  Makes me giggle. 

 

 

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Your implying that Tanev wouldn't have a material impact on an awful defense is absurd sorry.

 

How did tanev do with our teams goals against. A whooping three goals less. Haha some point you made. 

 

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Your goalie can be GOD and if your defense stinks in the NHL you will get lit up.

 

Here’s where I stop being funny and put this debate to rest. 

 

You’re saying oilers have a terrible d core and that is the reason they had such a bad gaa. Well what happened in 

The 2016/17 season with the exact same d core where they were 8th best in the league. Explain that one. It’s almost as if a healthier D core, along with a goalie playing on his game actually makes a difference. Oilers were riddled with injuries, Even Talbot got hurt season like that happen and it doesn’t mean a team should press the panic button go off the rails and jump to conclusions. And one who watches that team regularly understands that there d core is good but it needs more speed and puck movement. It’s something they are lacking. People who’ve played the game understand the more your team has control of the puck the less opportunity there is for the other team to score. ;) 

 

 

 

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12 hours ago, CoolCanucklehead said:

Yes great D come from Round 1 but many do come from all over the draft.

Just to name a few:

 

P.K. Subban  Round 2 pick #43

S. Weber       Round 2 pick #49

Klingberg       Round 5 pick #131

N. Lidstrom    Round 3 pick #53

S. Theodore   Round 1 pick #26

Byfuglien        Round 8 pick #245

D. Keith          Round 2 pick #54

K. Yandle       Round 4 pick #104

Gostisbehere Round 3 pick #78

T. Barrie         Round 3 pick #64

J. Carlson      Round 1 pick #27

K. Letang       Round 3 pick #62

W. Butcher     Round 5 pick #123

M. Giordano   Undrafted

D. Boyle         Undrafted

 

You quoted 15 D - men from the last 20-30 years. That is at least 2-3 generations and less than 50% chance of getting one per team. So how long do you intend to wait to stumble across a D-man that is that good? It doesn't change the fact that the chances of you drafting one is still next to nil. (In actuality it's about  4%).

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14 minutes ago, Petterrson's Dangle said:

Their defense sucked, Tanev is a top 5 defensive dman in the NHL and one of the best players in the league at shot suppression -those names are not. He would make that defense materially better, and they could trade any one of those players. Last time I checked the key to improving is moving out underperformers and bringing in better talent. 

 

How’d that top 5 defensive d man do for the Canucks core. Oh yeah canucks had 3 goals less. Haha enough time to move on. Tanev doesn’t make any sense to the oilers, not at the value tanev would cost. I don’t know how many times I’ve seen @mll shut down this proposal as well. Yet it keeps popping up. 

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10 hours ago, Wolfgang Durst said:

O.K. that's your own perspective that I respect, of course.

My guess that the Habs could probably take Kotkaniemi at #3  is based on the folllowing report from an Habs'insider

http://montrealgazette.com/sports/jack-todd-finnish-centreman-jesperi-kotkaniemi-could-fill-a-big-hole-in-habs-lineup

 

If you are intested take your time and read through it.

You are quoting a sports writer who has his own opinion and he even states that he is predisposed to finnish talent. So he is not a scout and he is biased. I haven't seen one report of Kotkaniemi being rated any higher than 5 and while anything can happen it would be quite the reach for them to select him at 3. 

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49 minutes ago, ForsbergTheGreat said:

How’d that top 5 defensive d man do for the Canucks core. Oh yeah canucks had 3 goals less. Haha enough time to move on. Tanev doesn’t make any sense to the oilers, not at the value tanev would cost. I don’t know how many times I’ve seen @mll shut down this proposal as well. Yet it keeps popping up. 

Great, your opinion is not 'fact'....clearly our defensive group was alot better with Tanev in it and if you're suggesting Suckera, Benning, or Russell are as good or better than Tanev perhaps you should look up their advanced stats.

 

Its clear you're making assumptions not based on actual data. If you think any of those players are as effective as tanev you are sadly mistaken.

 

Especially when you consider zone starts, give aways/take away ratio and quality of competition. The advanced stats don't lie. And please don't come back with 'cherry picked' data. When you look at all those players advanced stats OVERALL, Tanev is far superior defensively to all of them. 

 

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1 hour ago, ForsbergTheGreat said:

 

I love when people use that quote to me.  Makes me giggle. 

 

 

 

How did tanev do with our teams goals against. A whooping three goals less. Haha some point you made. 

 

 

Here’s where I stop being funny and put this debate to rest. 

 

You’re saying oilers have a terrible d core and that is the reason they had such a bad gaa. Well what happened in 

The 2016/17 season with the exact same d core where they were 8th best in the league. Explain that one. It’s almost as if a healthier D core, along with a goalie playing on his game actually makes a difference. Oilers were riddled with injuries, Even Talbot got hurt season like that happen and it doesn’t mean a team should press the panic button go off the rails and jump to conclusions. And one who watches that team regularly understands that there d core is good but it needs more speed and puck movement. It’s something they are lacking. People who’ve played the game understand the more your team has control of the puck the less opportunity there is for the other team to score. ;) 

 

 

 

This makes me giggle

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3 hours ago, Alflives said:

The problem with your proposal is RNH has little to no value.  He’s overpaid for a third line center.  

 

3 hours ago, Alflives said:

To keep Brady Tkatchuk from Calgary (plus Brady T. would be the ideal winger for McDavid) yes, I firmly believe the Oilers would make that deal.  

 

Had to come out of retirement and login just to quote these golden posts.

 

Man some people really need to go outside and walk away from the computer. 

 

RNH a third line center....:lol: what is Brandon Sutter then? A 7th line center?

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59 minutes ago, Petterrson's Dangle said:

Great, your opinion is not 'fact'....clearly our defensive group was alot better with Tanev in it and if you're suggesting Suckera, Benning, or Russell are as good or better than Tanev perhaps you should look up their advanced stats.

 

Its clear you're making assumptions not based on actual data. If you think any of those players are as effective as tanev you are sadly mistaken.

 

Especially when you consider zone starts, give aways/take away ratio and quality of competition. The advanced stats don't lie. And please don't come back with 'cherry picked' data. When you look at all those players advanced stats OVERALL, Tanev is far superior defensively to all of them. 

 

When did I say that. Talk about a strawman. But I guess when you know your argument has been completely destroyed. You can move on to making up statements. 

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Just now, ForsbergTheGreat said:

When did I say that. Talk about a strawman. But I guess when you know your argument has been completely destroyed. You can move on to making up statements. 

Suggesting you look at advanced statistics that prove  tanev is by far a superior defensive defensman is a "strawman argument' to you?

 

ook

 

:lol:

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