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One of Hughes, Dobson, or Wahlstrom for me please. Hughes' play in the World Championships makes me confident in his ability to play against men and had the potential of being a dynamic first pairing offensive defenseman. Dobson looks like a sure fire #2/#3 defenseman who impacts the game in all situations, with the potential to be a true #1D. Wahlstrom looks like a Boeser with more speed -- top line 30-40 goal sniper. In the case of Hughes and Dobson, they both look to be studs and in a high-value position (centres and defensemen valued higher than wingers). In today's NHL goal scoring is at a premium, hence why Wahlstrom is such a valued prospect.

 

I would be very interested in management's opinion on Boqvist and Kotkaniemi. For one, Boqvist has an elite offensive skillset but has had difficulty adjusting to higher-level play (Allsvenskan, SHL). Granted, he is one of the youngest draft-eligible prospects but it there are 17 and 18 year olds playing in those leagues. Kotkaniemi of course seems to be the flavour of the month. He's also one of the youngest draft-eligible prospects and played very well in Finland's top professional league as a 17 year old.

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1 hour ago, N7Nucks said:

You make it sound like Hanifin is 26 or something. He’s the same age as Boeser. By your logic we should trade him for “younger” players. All I’m sayin’ is people are overrating our pick. Dobson has a higher ceiling than Hanifin? Then he’s not going 7th overall. Hanifin has top 2 potential as well. Dunno why no one brings that up or if they do they say “he’ll never be top 2”. Everyone at our pick is questionable to be top 2. 

 

Not advocating picking up Hanifin. Just saying he’s not chopped liver or inferior to 18 year olds. 

I'm not saying he's old but he is at the end of his entry level deal and we need to keep the window open for as long as possible. Once you start commiting 7-8 mill to a guy (probably at the end of the next contract in 4-6 years) that will also be when we are finally competing for the Stanley cup

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On 5/31/2018 at 10:28 AM, N7Nucks said:

I do, that's why I don't make crazy claims like you do. Lol

Ya....I claimed Bo wouldn't need anytime in Utica...I was right....I claimed that Stecher would make the team straight out of college and aside from some silly shuffleing...I was right....I claimed that Hutton would make the team....I was right.....I claimed that Bo was more than a 3rd liner....I was right...

 

Forgot about Boeser...I claimed he wouldn't need anytime in Utica and that he would be challenging for the Calder....I was right...

 

So which crazy claim are you speaking of.....LOL...!

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9 minutes ago, NUCKER67 said:

I hope they don't trade the #7. I wouldn't mind getting Hanifin, but keep the picks. Trading Juolevi for Hanifin seems curious to me, why would they do that? Because Hanifin is already in the NHL? Not a good enough reason. Juolevi is going to be very good. If CAR is willing to trade their 6'3" 21 year old D future star, you've got to wonder why.

 

This is where I'm at today

1. Hughes - the offence, the speed

2. Dobson - the skating, the size, and he's a MC champion

3. Boqvist - the offence, the shot

4. Wahlstrom - Boeser 2.0

 

My thoughts on the Hanifin discussions is why is the reason Carolina would want to move on from him? If he’s a 21 year old future top pairing dman why would any young rebuilding/retooling team think about moving that. Why would any team. I don’t think they move him for the 7th alone so I’d rather keep the prospects and the pick. I want one of Boqvist, Hughes and Wahlstrom. I feel like I’d rather role the dice on one of those guys plus the other prospects it’d cost.

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Might be a little random, but does anyone know what happened with David Levin? He was supposed to be a big story in this years draft being that he was originally born in Isreal and was drafted 1st overall in the OHL. I saw that his numbers this past year were pretty garbage but does anyone follow this guy any closer?

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1 hour ago, Rollieo Del Fuego said:

Ya....I claimed Bo wouldn't need anytime in Utica...I was right....I claimed that Stecher would make the team straight out of college and aside from some silly shuffleing...I was right....I claimed that Hutton would make the team....I was right.....I claimed that Bo was more than a 3rd liner....I was right...

 

Forgot about Boeser...I claimed he wouldn't need anytime in Utica and that he would be challenging for the Calder....I was right...

 

So which crazy claim are you speaking of.....LOL...!

The one where you think Bo is better than Draisaitl. The one we were actively talking about. Hullo?

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10 hours ago, Rob_Zepp said:

I project the Canucks to just miss BT.

 

1. Buffalo Sabres: Rasmus Dahlin

 

2. Carolina Hurricanes: Andrei Svechnikov

 

3. Montreal Canadiens: Filip Zadina

 

4. Ottawa Senators: Adam Boqvist

 

5. Arizona Coyotes: Quinn Hughes

 

6. Detroit Red Wings: Brady Tkachuk

 

7. Vancouver Canucks: Noah Dobson

 

8. Chicago Blackhawks: Ty Smith

 

9. New York Rangers: Oliver Wahlstrom

 

10. Edmonton Oilers: Evan Bouchard

I like this...I am hopeful for Dobson or Wahlstrom

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6 minutes ago, N7Nucks said:

The one where you think Bo is better than Draisaitl. The one we were actively talking about. Hullo?

and again I say....Just watch....!

 

Leon scored 3 more goals than Bo last year and it took him 14 more games than Bo to do it....and Leon is playing with McJesus to boot...!

 

Bo will prove to be the more valuable player....this year ...and certainly by next year it will be as clear as day....

 

Just watch...!

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9 hours ago, CoolCanucklehead said:

I'm with u bro. No parting with the 7th overall pick whatsoever...

One thing I'm thinking is that Carolina seems to like the Finns,  Aho & Teravainen seem to be forming their next core. O. Juolevii seems to me the guy they might be after.?

 

Juolevi,  Hutton & Baertschi (+?)   -  for Hanifin seems more likely to me. 

Tanev might be the perfect pairing for Hanifin...

 

Hanifin   Tanev

Edler      Gubranson

Stecher  Dobson

 

This D looks really good to me.

 

Pouliot   MDZ (nice depth to have as injuries always occur. plus MDZ is off the books in s year.)

 

 

Seems like a major over payment to me. Interesting though.

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7 minutes ago, Rollieo Del Fuego said:

and again I say....Just watch....!

 

Leon scored 3 more goals than Bo last year and it took him 14 more games than Bo to do it....and Leon is playing with McJesus to boot...!

 

Bo will prove to be the more valuable player....this year ...and certainly by next year it will be as clear as day....

 

Just watch...!

Half of Bo's goals came from the PP, with the Sedins, the same Sedins that just retired. Bo almost had more PP goals than Draisaitl had PP points. If they ever get that going he might start hitting 90ish points. I am not doubting Bo's skills, I just think you are completely undermining everything Draisaitl can do. And I already stated, which you'll likely just ignore again cause who cares about facts, that Draisaitl statistically plays worse when paired with McDavid compared to when he is on his own line. You never stated "more valuable player" either in your initial comment. Just that Bo was the superior player. Which is wrong and the numbers clearly state that is incorrect. Bo's intangibles are better for sure. But so were Linden's in comparison to Bure. Would you say Linden was the better player compared to Bure? No you wouldn't. At least I hope you wouldn't. Changing the stance you have cause you know what I am saying to be true. Now it's "more valuable player" which was never the debate.

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So, CAR likes Fins eh? (not really serious)

 

to CAR: #7, Juolevi, Granlund, Virtanen*, Palmu (they draft Kotkaniemi)

to VAN: #2 and Hanifin (we draft Svechnikov, or anyone other than Dahlin really)

 

* he actually has Finnish heritage

 

ah, it's fun to think about things 'n' stuff

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Now I'm curious to see what that might look like ^^

 

Dahlen - Pettersson - Svechnikov

Baertschi - Horvat - Boeser

Leipsic - Gaudette - Goldobin

Eriksson - Sutter - Gagner

 

Hanifin - Tanev

Edler - Stecher

Hutton - Gudbranson

Pouliot

 

Great top line, Svech is an upgrade on Virt

Defence looks better, would need to re-sign Edler, and I'd be okay with that. Have Brisebois, Chatfield and Rathbone in the pipe as well.

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1 hour ago, flickyoursedin said:

My thoughts on the Hanifin discussions is why is the reason Carolina would want to move on from him? If he’s a 21 year old future top pairing dman why would any young rebuilding/retooling team think about moving that. Why would any team. I don’t think they move him for the 7th alone so I’d rather keep the prospects and the pick. I want one of Boqvist, Hughes and Wahlstrom. I feel like I’d rather role the dice on one of those guys plus the other prospects it’d cost.

They were originally supposed to draft much lower in the draft maybe theyve scouted someone else lower in the draft that they really like and want an additional pick in that range. Someone else mentioned they like Finns maybe they want kotkaniemi ( spelling i know) but dont want to trade down with there pick

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1 hour ago, N7Nucks said:

Half of Bo's goals came from the PP, with the Sedins, the same Sedins that just retired. Bo almost had more PP goals than Draisaitl had PP points. If they ever get that going he might start hitting 90ish points. I am not doubting Bo's skills, I just think you are completely undermining everything Draisaitl can do. And I already stated, which you'll likely just ignore again cause who cares about facts, that Draisaitl statistically plays worse when paired with McDavid compared to when he is on his own line. You never stated "more valuable player" either in your initial comment. Just that Bo was the superior player. Which is wrong and the numbers clearly state that is incorrect. Bo's intangibles are better for sure. But so were Linden's in comparison to Bure. Would you say Linden was the better player compared to Bure? No you wouldn't. At least I hope you wouldn't. Changing the stance you have cause you know what I am saying to be true. Now it's "more valuable player" which was never the debate.

That is simply not true (the bolded part and the rest of it)

 

The facts are Bo played on the 2nd PP for most of the year and he scored more even strength goals than PP goals...the facts are Leon got the benefit of playing on the top line since he broke into the league....the facts are Bo keeps getting better...Leon had a worse season than his previous one...

 

One day you will agree with Bo being a better player.....more valuable....is what a better player is by the way...!   semantic monger...!

Just watch....!

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5 hours ago, Odd. said:

I've read on the hfboards that Detroit is extremely interested in Evan Bouchard. I doubt they take Brady, they have a surplus of wingers. I can see them taking Wahlstrom or Bouchard.

 

Hope to god Tkachuk falls to us.

 

Tkachuk/Horvat/Boeser

Baertschi/Gaudette/Pettersson

 

whatever the combinations that may be, that's going to be a fun top 6 to watch. Tkachuk would pretty much complete our forward crop. Then we can focus on defenseman from 2-7.

I really see a couple of scenarios where BT is available at #7.   I project him to go to the Wings but your evaluation may be bang on.    

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11 hours ago, CoolCanucklehead said:

I'm with u bro. No parting with the 7th overall pick whatsoever...

One thing I'm thinking is that Carolina seems to like the Finns,  Aho & Teravainen seem to be forming their next core. O. Juolevii seems to me the guy they might be after.?

 

Juolevi,  Hutton & Baertschi (+?)   -  for Hanifin seems more likely to me. 

Tanev might be the perfect pairing for Hanifin...

 

Hanifin   Tanev

Edler      Gubranson

Stecher  Dobson

 

This D looks really good to me.

 

Pouliot   MDZ (nice depth to have as injuries always occur. plus MDZ is off the books in s year.)

 

 

Wow, I am not sure I would trade Juolevi straight up for Hanifin.   Noah has been pretty uneven and this year was not a major step forward.   OJ projects to be a potentially more complete Dman.   I would struggle to make that move and as someone who follows both teams, the only saving grace would be they would still be in the "fold" in my world.    

 

I wonder if those who are underrating OJ actually ever say him play this year?

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6 hours ago, Hutton Wink said:

Problem though, is Juolevi alone could turn out better than Hanifin.

 

 

2 hours ago, Kanukfanatic said:

Seems like a major over payment to me. Interesting though.

 

13 minutes ago, Rob_Zepp said:

Wow, I am not sure I would trade Juolevi straight up for Hanifin.   Noah has been pretty uneven and this year was not a major step forward.   OJ projects to be a potentially more complete Dman.   I would struggle to make that move and as someone who follows both teams, the only saving grace would be they would still be in the "fold" in my world.    

 

I wonder if those who are underrating OJ actually ever say him play this year?

 

I actually meant Juolevi for Hanifin. The (+?) was maybe Carolina throws back a draft pick or 2 for Hutton & Baer.  

I never ever try to even come close to emulating a GM's real deal.  It was my idea that we can part with these guys for pieces back. 

On the comparison of the 2 I would take Hanifin over Juolevi straight up & I'm sure JB would too if that was all it took.

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1 minute ago, CoolCanucklehead said:

 

 

 

I actually meant Juolevi for Hanifin. The (+?) was maybe Carolina throws back a draft pick or 2 for Hutton & Baer.  

I never ever try to even come close to imulating a GM's real deal.  It was my idea that we can part with these guys for pieces back. 

On the comparison of the 2 I would take Hanifin over Juolevi straight up & I'm sure JB would too if that was all it took.

Wow, that would be a huge risk given their comparative ceilings.    Have you watched Noah play a lot?   I have.   He is very good but remains an adventure in his own end.   He has all the tools but may not put them all together whereas all signs are that Juolevi will do that in spades.   Noah matured quicker physically but was a bit "stuck" last year while Juolevi advanced by leaps and bounds.

 

Guess we will all see.   I am not sure at all JB would make that move BTW.   He seems pretty aware on development potential.

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8 minutes ago, Rob_Zepp said:

while Juolevi advanced by leaps and bounds.

Yes I understand OJ improved his game at the end of the season but I've never heard someone describe it quite like you do Rob.

Anyways not here to argue with you about who's going to be the better player.  No I haven't watched OJ play this year but I did watch quite a few games last year in the OHL. Just wasn't sold on OJ then. Hopefully he can be the player you describe.

 

I just don't want to part with the #7 pick this year. I'd rather take Hughes, Dobson, Wahlstrom, Bouchard etc. & part with Juolevi if that's what it came down to. 

I have no problem keeping Juolevi & our #7 pick & screw a Hanifin trade.

 

The one I care about will be the one wearing Blue at the end of the day...

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