73 Percent Posted June 3, 2018 Share Posted June 3, 2018 11 minutes ago, janisahockeynut said: On Boqvist....I think we get caught up too much on how a 17 year old in Europe plays against men Maybe I am out to lunch here, but didn't he have an outstanding WJC tournament? I could be wrong here, but wasn't it 2 goals against the best 17 year olds in Canada ? Those are his piers..........I kind of lost track of the outcomes. But did he make the tournament all-star team, which was against his piers? His combine rankings were again against his piers....... When comparing Heiskanen to Boqvist, didn't Heiskanen play in another year, and against players who were in a different development year? I get what everyone is saying but..............he has a lot of positives............I wouldn't just ignore that fact! Did bloqvist even play in the wjc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
86Viking Posted June 3, 2018 Share Posted June 3, 2018 2 minutes ago, 73 Percent said: Did bloqvist even play in the wjc? Don't believe he did, it was Dahlin and Brannstrom who were good on Sweden's back end I think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
73 Percent Posted June 3, 2018 Share Posted June 3, 2018 Just now, Canuckster86 said: Don't believe he did, it was Dahlin and Brannstrom who were good on Sweden's back end I think Thought so. Thanks for confirmation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flickyoursedin Posted June 3, 2018 Share Posted June 3, 2018 Boqvist is one of the youngest in the draft. Something like being born a week later and he’s being drafted next year. I think he’s got a lot more room for growth and he already crushed the combine. He didn’t play wjc because Sweden had older offensive dmen that represented in Brannstrom, Liljigren and the generational talent Dahlin. They wanted balanced pairings so matched those guys up with defensive minded partners. A tournament he was at was the u18’s where he was named the best defenceman. Also people have to stop trying to view his time in the SHL as a negative because he only played like 5 minutes a game when he was there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guntrix Posted June 3, 2018 Share Posted June 3, 2018 1 hour ago, Wolfgang Durst said: Adam Boqvist had a rollercoaster ride season in 2016/2017. He started the season in the Juniors and played 25 games. Then he was promoted to the SHL team of Brynäs and played 15 games. Once he struggled to become an SHL regular he was loaned to Almtuna, a team in the second tier league in Sweden and played 7 games. By contrast Heiskanen was a regular top league player in his draft year with 37 games played in Finlands top league. I think the main difference between your player assessment and mine is that I see the players draft year performance and you focus on the potential of the player. I fully agree that he has the tools to become an elite D-Man. Concerning from my point of view is that he struggled in the draft year to regularly play on a men's team. Would not be surprised if the season he had raises some doubts among scouts / GM's. I am very excited to see where he ends up in terms of the selection at the draft. Am I missing something? Who of his direct competition plays on a mens team? You're literally using a whole other set of criteria for Boqvist. Let's not forget that if he were born just a tad later, he wouldn't even be eligible for this year's draft. I'm all about elevating expectations but this is especially harsh Regarding Heiskanen, sure he's a more enticing prospect. Then again, we're not picking 3rd overall. Getting shinier toys is generally what happens when you pick that high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted June 3, 2018 Share Posted June 3, 2018 Does seem a tad unfair to judge Boqvist cause he couldn't crack the top Swedish league full time. I mean, very few of his peers are playing full time against men. Lol. The fact he is flirting with the opportunity of being there should be seen as a positive. Dahlen didn't play in the SHL last year, he's a good 3ish years older. We are incredibly high on him. I also wouldn't let his not being on Team Sweden mean much either. Sweden is loaded with young offensive minded d-men. Gadjovich made team Canada would you say he is a better prospect than Boqvist, or Glass, or Lind or any other non-WJC players? Probably not. At the very least these shouldn't be game changers for you on whether or not you like him as a prospect at 7. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted June 3, 2018 Share Posted June 3, 2018 1 hour ago, Wolfgang Durst said: I think the main difference between your player assessment and mine is that I see the players draft year performance and you focus on the potential of the player. I fully agree that he has the tools to become an elite D-Man. Concerning from my point of view is that he struggled in the draft year to regularly play on a men's team. Spot on. The art of scouting is projecting where a player will be in 3, 5 & 7 years, who will have the better career. Not where they are now. Its about skills, athleticism plus expected likely, & possible development. Is a guy going to get better, for example, as he is fully grown? After having the benefit of world class coaching, training NHL prospects will get. Being silly, but still very pragmatic, I take one look at Evan Bouchard & he looks like he's already fully grown. And has been for a while. Boqvist looks like a boy. Who will still grow into his body. So its part of the projection, evaluation of where they stand now versus in the future. But they are all 17 or 18. Mostly I look at, trend to the best athlete. Potential roadblocks have to be considered. But my experience is the great athletes, with potential to add layers their training, lean muscle, will become even more explosive. A roadblock for a guy who is not a great athlete, is they may not be able to perform at the level they do against 16 year old's? When they come up against NHL calibre athletes. Even if they defend well now. So its not just about this years performance. Whereas a guy with outstanding balance, power, agility, smooth skating, is more likely to be able to learn angles, techniques to defend better. Not referring to anyone specifically but a guy, even with those techniques down now, who does not have the quickness is going to be in a world of trouble. You can improve quickness with training, but the great athletes have that much more potential to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isam Posted June 3, 2018 Share Posted June 3, 2018 8 hours ago, Wolfgang Durst said: I' m not against him. Here are some facts: Miro Heiskanen (taken at #3 by the Stars in the 2016/2017 draft): 37 games played in the SM Liga (top league in Finland), 10 assists in his draft year. Adam Boqvist: 15 games played in the SHL (top league in Sweden), 1 assist in his draft year. Do you see the difference? In terms of age both are comparables (Heiskanen: July / Boqvist: August). Conclusion: Heiskanen's performance and maturity was significantly ahead of Boqvist's performance and maturity in his draft year. You can't compare the two really. Shl is generally the tougher league to crack for a youngster to gain a roster compared to liiga. Swedish coaches have a larger playing field to choose from and are generally gonna choose the vet unless you are are Hallam or ronnborg. Finnish coaches push out young players because of the lack of players they have access to. So younger players have more of an opportunity to perform. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isam Posted June 3, 2018 Share Posted June 3, 2018 32 minutes ago, 73 Percent said: Did bloqvist even play in the wjc? No Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted June 3, 2018 Share Posted June 3, 2018 17 hours ago, flickyoursedin said: You just know Montreal has fallen in love with the Center Kotkaniemi and is entertaining the idea of moving down. However at the end of the day trading down risks you might not get your guy. I think they eventually come to terms with taking him at three over moving down a couple spots and risking Detroit jumping them and taking Kotkaniemi. Who between 4th and 10th has a half decent french prospect on their roster? Sven LeBaertschi and a 2nd for the 3rd? 16 hours ago, SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME said: Curtis Douglas’s measurements. 6’8.5”, 247.7 lbs. Not much taller than earlier in the year, but man that kid has filled out into his frame (Elite Prospects had his old measurements at 6’8”, 201 lbs). Plus he finished 2nd in grip strength (left and right) and aerobic test duration. Also 2nd in wingspan but that’s expected at his height. Find a way to get him AND Sammuelsson in this draft and hope Tryamkin comes back. Fairly certain averaged out it adds 11 feet and 907 pounds to our roster. Wait...no, I think I subtracted instead of added Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedintwinpowersactivate Posted June 3, 2018 Share Posted June 3, 2018 A lot of talk about Boqvist. He would be awesome at 7. Unfortunately I don't think he gets past Arizona. This is how I see the top eight shaping up: 1)Buff Dahlin 2)Car Svechnikov 3)Mont. Zadina 4)Ott Wahlstrom 5)Ari Boqvist 6)Det Hughes 7)Van Tkachuk or Dobson 8)Chi Tkachuk or Kotkaniemi Vancouver will have to pick between Tkachuk, Dobson, Bouchard, Kotkaniemi and Veleno My gut tells me Dobson will be a Canuck. We pass over another Tkachuk. I'm not sure that is the right choice though????? If Boqvist is there... he is my first choice then Hughes or Wahlstrom. After the obvious top 3 I'd rank my wanted prospects 1) Boqvist 2) Hughes 3) Wahlstrom 4) Tkachuk 5) Dobson 6) Kotkaniemi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
73 Percent Posted June 3, 2018 Share Posted June 3, 2018 2 minutes ago, Sedintwinpowersactivate said: A lot of talk about Boqvist. He would be awesome at 7. Unfortunately I don't think he gets past Arizona. This is how I see the top eight shaping up: 1)Buff Dahlin 2)Car Svechnikov 3)Mont. Zadina 4)Ott Wahlstrom 5)Ari Boqvist 6)Det Hughes 7)Van Tkachuk or Dobson 8)Chi Tkachuk or Kotkaniemi Vancouver will have to pick between Tkachuk, Dobson, Bouchard, Kotkaniemi and Veleno My gut tells me Dobson will be a Canuck. We pass over another Tkachuk. I'm not sure that is the right choice though????? If Boqvist is there... he is my first choice then Hughes or Wahlstrom. After the obvious top 3 I'd rank my wanted prospects 1) Boqvist 2) Hughes 3) Wahlstrom 4) Tkachuk 5) Dobson 6) Kotkaniemi All I know isin glad I'm not making the decision lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted June 3, 2018 Share Posted June 3, 2018 3 minutes ago, 73 Percent said: All I know isin glad I'm not making the decision lol All I know is no matter who we pick we'll have 3 years of shoulda picked X threads Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flickyoursedin Posted June 3, 2018 Share Posted June 3, 2018 3 minutes ago, Sedintwinpowersactivate said: A lot of talk about Boqvist. He would be awesome at 7. Unfortunately I don't think he gets past Arizona. This is how I see the top eight shaping up: 1)Buff Dahlin 2)Car Svechnikov 3)Mont. Zadina 4)Ott Wahlstrom 5)Ari Boqvist 6)Det Hughes 7)Van Tkachuk or Dobson 8)Chi Tkachuk or Kotkaniemi Vancouver will have to pick between Tkachuk, Dobson, Bouchard, Kotkaniemi and Veleno My gut tells me Dobson will be a Canuck. We pass over another Tkachuk. I'm not sure that is the right choice though????? If Boqvist is there... he is my first choice then Hughes or Wahlstrom. After the obvious top 3 I'd rank my wanted prospects 1) Boqvist 2) Hughes 3) Wahlstrom 4) Tkachuk 5) Dobson 6) Kotkaniemi Kotkaniemi didn’t just have an interview with Montreal and Detroit they took him out for dinner. I feel pretty confident he goes at 3rd overall or 6th to one of those teams. Leaving somebody else to slide down. Buff-Dahlin Car-Svechnikov Mon-Kotkaniemi Ott-Zadina Ari-Boqvist Det-Hughes Leaving Vancouver the choice of Wahlstrom, Dobson, Tkachuk and Bouchard. With those options as much as I wanted a dman I’d probably take Wahlstrom here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isam Posted June 3, 2018 Share Posted June 3, 2018 1 minute ago, Warhippy said: All I know is no matter who we pick we'll have 3 years of shoulda picked X threads Should have pick kopitarzz! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R3aL Posted June 3, 2018 Share Posted June 3, 2018 1 hour ago, 73 Percent said: Did bloqvist even play in the wjc? He was the next dman on the list, it was an older and stacked back end for Sweden. hell be integral next WJC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted June 3, 2018 Share Posted June 3, 2018 2 minutes ago, flickyoursedin said: Kotkaniemi didn’t just have an interview with Montreal and Detroit they took him out for dinner. I feel pretty confident he goes at 3rd overall or 6th to one of those teams. Leaving somebody else to slide down. Buff-Dahlin Car-Svechnikov Mon-Kotkaniemi Ott-Zadina Ari-Boqvist Det-Hughes Leaving Vancouver the choice of Wahlstrom, Dobson, Tkachuk and Bouchard. With those options as much as I wanted a dman I’d probably take Wahlstrom here. Take Tkachuk and hear endlessly how we shoulda picked the defenseman. While still hearing how we shoulda picked Tkachuk over OJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeneedLumme Posted June 3, 2018 Share Posted June 3, 2018 37 minutes ago, Warhippy said: Who between 4th and 10th has a half decent french prospect on their roster? Sven LeBaertschi and a 2nd for the 3rd? Find a way to get him AND Sammuelsson in this draft and hope Tryamkin comes back. Fairly certain averaged out it adds 11 feet and 907 pounds to our roster. Wait...no, I think I subtracted instead of added So you figure those 3 players average 3'8" tall and 302 pounds each? I can't stop laughing imagining that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isam Posted June 3, 2018 Share Posted June 3, 2018 Cool with tkachuk if he is there at seven. His cycle game is top notch and is probably the best fit for ep40. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted June 3, 2018 Share Posted June 3, 2018 7 minutes ago, flickyoursedin said: Kotkaniemi didn’t just have an interview with Montreal and Detroit they took him out for dinner. I feel pretty confident he goes at 3rd overall or 6th to one of those teams. Leaving somebody else to slide down. Buff-Dahlin Car-Svechnikov Mon-Kotkaniemi Ott-Zadina Ari-Boqvist Det-Hughes Leaving Vancouver the choice of Wahlstrom, Dobson, Tkachuk and Bouchard. With those options as much as I wanted a dman I’d probably take Wahlstrom here. In that case I think it's Bouchard or Tkachuk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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