R.Dahlin26 Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 44 minutes ago, ilduce39 said: I was half joking but with Tkachuk or Svechnikov that’s a lot of firepower on the wings with not enough down the middle or back on defence. Especially with Pettersson as a question mark at C. IMO you win with Centres and Defencemen - effort needs to be made yesterday to shore that up. Take out Patrick Kane from the Hawks they don't have 3 cups. You win with Elite talent at every position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilduce39 Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 45 minutes ago, Warhippy said: Brady Tkachuk lists as a C/LW Can't go wrong there If he can do it, that’s fantastic. Ticks a lot of boxes. 18 minutes ago, R.Dahlin26 said: Take out Patrick Kane from the Hawks they don't have 3 cups. You win with Elite talent at every position. Yes and we have elite talent on the wings with Brock and Pettersson (if he doesn’t work as a C). Plus some nice young pieces in Virtanen/Baer/Dahlen/Lind/Gadjovich. I’d give you Kessel and Kane.. but we have very likely candidates for that already. I also think 2011 Boston and the Kings wins weren’t as much about wingers as they were C and D. Pittsburgh is more about two elite C’s as well, though you have to give the Thrill his due. I’d still look for a Doughty/Chara/Keith or Bergeron/Kopitar/Toews before I sit on another winger, BPA or no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R.Dahlin26 Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 10 minutes ago, ilduce39 said: If he can do it, that’s fantastic. Ticks a lot of boxes. Yes and we have elite talent on the wings with Brock and Pettersson (if he doesn’t work as a C). Plus some nice young pieces in Virtanen/Baer/Dahlen/Lind/Gadjovich. I’d give you Kessel and Kane.. but we have very likely candidates for that already. I also think 2011 Boston and the Kings wins weren’t as much about wingers as they were C and D. Pittsburgh is more about two elite C’s as well, though you have to give the Thrill his due. I’d still look for a Doughty/Chara/Keith or Bergeron/Kopitar/Toews before I sit on another winger, BPA or no. The Doughty/Chara/Keith is Rasmus Dahlin and unless we when the lottery we won't be getting him. The rest of the Defenceman project as #2/#3 level d-man. The centre crop seems really weak this year and I believe Pettersson will be a 1C. Hs production has continued with his move to centre ice and from all accounts looks solid at both ends of the ice. BPA will likely be one of those elite wingers, and lord knows we could add more elite wing talent to join Boeser. We have our #1 RW in Boeser we could still use a #1 LW to replace Daniel Sedin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilduce39 Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 3 minutes ago, R.Dahlin26 said: The Doughty/Chara/Keith is Rasmus Dahlin and unless we when the lottery we won't be getting him. The rest of the Defenceman project as #2/#3 level d-man. The centre crop seems really weak this year and I believe Pettersson will be a 1C. Hs production has continued with his move to centre ice and from all accounts looks solid at both ends of the ice. BPA will likely be one of those elite wingers, and lord knows we could add more elite wing talent to join Boeser. We have our #1 RW in Boeser we could still use a #1 LW to replace Daniel Sedin. Well, I’d explore moving the pick to trade down and pick a D or even move it outright for a high ceiling young D man. Unless you take Tkachuk and explore moving Boeser. That’s a gamble though - I’m high on Brock beyond his skill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R.Dahlin26 Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 14 minutes ago, ilduce39 said: Well, I’d explore moving the pick to trade down and pick a D or even move it outright for a high ceiling young D man. Unless you take Tkachuk and explore moving Boeser. That’s a gamble though - I’m high on Brock beyond his skill. What? If we take Tkachuk you immediately put together a Tkachuk-Horvat-Boeser line and watch that line terrorize the league. Move our older players and UFA's for draft picks to use them on defencemen. There are the 2019 and 2020 drafts where we could draft defencemen. Y'all acting like we're in dire need of #2/#3 type defenceman which is what we will most likely get. How does that move the needle for us? What we need is a bonafide number 1 stud and there's only one available in this year's draft and it's Rasmus Dahlin. So if not for him grab an elite forward because we actually have a need for that as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-23 Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 1 minute ago, R.Dahlin26 said: What? If we take Tkachuk you immediately put together a Tkachuk-Horvat-Boeser line and watch that line terrorize the league. Move our older players and UFA's for draft picks to use them on defencemen. There are the 2019 and 2020 drafts where we could draft defencemen. Y'all acting like we're in dire need of #2/#3 type defenceman which is what we will most likely get it. What we need is a bonafide number 1 stud and there's only one available in this year's draft and it's Rasmus Dahlin. So if not for him grab an elite forward because we have actually have a need for that as well. Dahlin, I like where you're going! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilduce39 Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 11 minutes ago, R.Dahlin26 said: What? If we take Tkachuk you immediately put together a Tkachuk-Horvat-Boeser line and watch that line terrorize the league. Move our older players and UFA's for draft picks to use them on defencemen. There are the 2019 and 2020 drafts where we could draft defencemen. Y'all acting like we're in dire need of #2/#3 type defenceman which is what we will most likely get. How does that move the needle for us? What we need is a bonafide number 1 stud and there's only one available in this year's draft and it's Rasmus Dahlin. So if not for him grab an elite forward because we actually have a need for that as well. You need a strong D to win and, yes, we could certainly use another quality #2 d man as well. A true PPQB to be specific. You said it yourself - you need elite players at every position. You spent the afternoon crapping on our best - by far - d prospect and you think loading up one line is going to set us on the path to the cup? That’s ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R.Dahlin26 Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 3 minutes ago, ilduce39 said: You need a strong D to win and, yes, we could certainly use another quality #2 d man as well. A true PPQB to be specific. You said it yourself - you need elite players at every position. You spent the afternoon crapping on our best - by far - d prospect and you think loading up one line is going to set us on the path to the cup? That’s ridiculous. You could get quality #2/#3 d-man in the teens and in the 2nd round, even mid rounds. Heck even with FA college signing like Tanev. Look at where we got Edler, Bieksa, Tryamkin. Smart signings like Hamhuis and astute trades like the one for Ehrhoff. Most of those players were the d-core that lead us to the Stanley cup finals. We don't need to blow top 10, top 5 picks on defencemen who don't project as bonafide #1/#2 studs. The thirst for defence is ridiculous. We need a number 1 d-man. A Doughty, a Hedman etc. So if we can't get Dahlin go for one of the elite forwards. And it wouldn't just be one line, we could have 3 strong lines like Toronto and kill teams offensively. Tkachuk-Horvat-Boeser Dahlen-Pettersson-Lind Gadjovich-Gaudette-Lockwood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isam Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 2 hours ago, Warhippy said: Brady Tkachuk lists as a C/LW Can't go wrong there Hes been primarily used as wing at boston university Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isam Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 1 hour ago, Odd. said: Has to be our guy. Not because of his last name (though it may have a 5% role in it), but he brings EVERYTHING we need. Size, skill, physicality,grit, and most importantly brings offense. Hopefully we can get another mid 1st rounder so we can draft Kotkaniemi or Noah Dobson. Dobson will be gone by the time we use our second first rounder if we pick up one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odd. Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 3 minutes ago, Isam said: Dobson will be gone y the time we use our second first rounder if we pick up one. He's a Trouba 2.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isam Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 6 minutes ago, Odd. said: He's a Trouba 2.0 Not a bad thing but i think you're being hard on the kid. He reminds me more along the lines of werenski with offensive pop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilduce39 Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 48 minutes ago, R.Dahlin26 said: You could get quality #2/#3 d-man in the teens and in the 2nd round, even mid rounds. Heck even with FA college signing like Tanev. Look at where we got Edler, Bieksa, Tryamkin. Smart signings like Hamhuis and astute trades like the one for Ehrhoff. Most of those players were the d-core that lead us to the Stanley cup finals. We don't need to blow top 10, top 5 picks on defencemen who don't project as bonafide #1/#2 studs. The thirst for defence is ridiculous. We need a number 1 d-man. A Doughty, a Hedman etc. So if we can't get Dahlin go for one of the elite forwards. And it wouldn't just be one line, we could have 3 strong lines like Toronto and kill teams offensively. Tkachuk-Horvat-Boeser Dahlen-Pettersson-Lind Gadjovich-Gaudette-Lockwood Of course, I said trade down or trade the pick outright... not draft a lesser D man. Its also not like top pairing D grow on trees - that’s a straight up lie. You said yourself our D stinks right now - if it’s so easy to find them we wouldn’t be in this position. The “thirst for defence” is not ridiculous. It’s by far the biggest need for this organization. We have decent forwards on the roster and plenty of high ceiling forward prospects waiting. If you want that core to ever compete it’s time to add to the back end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 36 minutes ago, R.Dahlin26 said: You could get quality #2/#3 d-man in the teens and in the 2nd round, even mid rounds. Heck even with FA college signing like Tanev. We don't need to blow top 10, top 5 picks on defencemen who don't project as bonafide #1/#2 studs. The thirst for defence is ridiculous. We need a number 1 d-man. A Doughty, a Hedman etc. So if we can't get Dahlin go for one of the elite forwards. Yep, this year there's a lot of D: Dahlin, Hughes, Bodvist, Bouchard, Dobsin, Smith, Wilde, Merkley, Woo, Alexevey, McIssac, Miller, Addison, Samuelsson and Sandin. Quite a few of those guys are going to fall in the second round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilduce39 Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 1 minute ago, ForsbergTheGreat said: Yep, this year there's a lot of D: Dahlin, Hughes, Bodvist, Bouchard, Dobsin, Smith, Wilde, Merkley, Woo, Alexevey, McIssac, Miller, Addison, Samuelsson and Sandin. Quite a few of those guys are going to fall in the second round. So trade down and get 2 of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R.Dahlin26 Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 1 minute ago, ForsbergTheGreat said: Yep, this year there's a lot of D: Dahlin, Hughes, Bodvist, Bouchard, Dobsin, Smith, Wilde, Merkley, Woo, Alexevey, McIssac, Miller, Addison, Samuelsson and Sandin. Quite a few of those guys are going to fall in the second round. Exactly we might get a defenceman with our 2nd round pick that might be as good as a d-man taken in the top 15. That's how little the separation is between the d-men after Dahlin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flickyoursedin Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 5 minutes ago, ilduce39 said: So trade down and get 2 of them. Can’t remember the last time a team traded down in the top 5. Doesn’t happen very often. Last one I can think of was Pitts traded 1rst overall for 3rd overall + and took Marc Andre Fluery. That was a long time ago. More realistic to trade up with our 2nd + and get back into the late 1rst. Or cross your fingers a good guy falls to our 2nd! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Just now, ilduce39 said: So trade down and get 2 of them. No trading down never works. In the first round take BPA, if you want someone else trade an asset and obtain another pick. We are far, far from a lock at skilled forwards., Right now I count one RW in Brock, and a strong possibility of Pettersson. But there's a long ways to go before we can start being picky about the players we are skipping on the draft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isam Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 2 minutes ago, R.Dahlin26 said: Exactly we might get a defenceman with our 2nd round pick that might be as good as a d-man taken in the top 15. That's how little the separation is between the d-men after Dahlin. Theres alot more separation then that in this years draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iggynucks Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 The hardest thing to do in the NHL is score goals. Zadina's got my vote if he's available (assuming we're not picking 1st obviously). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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