aGENT Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 15 minutes ago, Canuck Surfer said: The top 5 seems to be consensus, with some variation in picks 3-5. If Zadina or Tkachuk is what is left if we draft 5th, I may think hard before trading down. If we draft 6th, I've yet to pick a fave among the next 6 or 8 guys. I would be very open to moving down. I agree. That next tier is a crap shoot and we can hardly afford to miss on the guy in that group that exceeds expectations. I don't want to read more posts/media for years on how we 'missed on player x'... This would be so much easier if they just, finally, let us have 1st overall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 18 minutes ago, aGENT said: This would be so much easier if they just, finally, let us have 1st overall I vote beers for both of us. On that note, its 5pm, beer oclock here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blömqvist Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 We're good either way as long as we get a top 7 pick. 1. Dahlin 2. Zadina 3. Svechnikov 4. Boqvist 5. Tkachuk 6. Bouchard 7. Hughes Two scenarios.. Tkachuk/Zadina/Svechnikov - Horvat - Boeser Kane - Gaudette - Pettersson or Juolevi - Dahlin/Boqvist/Bouchard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R3aL Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 Didn't see posted earlier but has anyone seen pronmans latest rankings? he has Tkachuk at 15... Shocking to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamonds Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 9 minutes ago, R3aL said: Didn't see posted earlier but has anyone seen pronmans latest rankings? he has Tkachuk at 15... Shocking to me. When Sid posted that chart and infographic a couple pages back I was wondering who ranked Tkachuk that low. It seems to be at odds with what most of the rankings are saying so I'd love to know the reasons why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R3aL Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 10 minutes ago, Diamonds said: When Sid posted that chart and infographic a couple pages back I was wondering who ranked Tkachuk that low. It seems to be at odds with what most of the rankings are saying so I'd love to know the reasons why. Yea I'd like to know as well! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flickyoursedin Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 While I don’t think Tkachuk should be picked in the top 3 like most people in this thread suggest. It is crazy to see him ranked any lower than 6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SingleThorn Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 8 hours ago, Canuck Surfer said: I vote beers for both of us. On that note, its 5pm, beer oclock here... Soooooo........minus 5 hours, has to be tomorrow,soooo, putting 2 and 2 together, can we assume you're in mighty Oz ? ( I know, we should never 'assume'. ) In the draft, I think that a d would be best suited to our long term needs. We have filled ( partially filled ) many of our basic depth issues. We are now dealing with the 'primo' part of our roster. #1/ #2 c, #1/ #2/ #3 d ( offensive preferred ). I think that BPAs come in tiers. Tier one only has Dahlin, tier 2 unfortunately has 3 wingers. This doesn't line up too well with our needs. Taking Murphy's law into consideration and a healthy line up winning more games than our B line up was, I think we'll end up picking 7 or 8. A lot depends on our post TDL line up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phat Fingers Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 10 hours ago, Canuck Surfer said: For the record. I am down, encourage, salivate, wish for drafting D. I made note in another thread, maybe somewhere in this one, that we drafted in the past 20 years; > In round one just Olli Juolevi & Luc Bourdon. Then Byan Allen 20 years ago this year. > In round two just Taylor Elington, Yan Sauve, Kiril Koltsov, Denis Grot. 6 Picks in 20 years in the top two rounds, 40 potential picks??? From video on the draft floor? It looked like Vegas was discussing trading up with JB last year. Then backed out and we made our Petterson pick. It is a good strategy, potentially game breaking, if you are going off the board so to speak. Would Vegas have offered us the 13th and 15th pick? 6th and 34th? Vegas ultimately picked Glass who we were rumoured to be after! Petterson would have been gone by 13th. But I would have taken 6th and 34th, rolled the dice... edit, ah crap, but yeah if you believe Petterson last year was going to be what he is turning out to be... The next D on most peoples lists was Cal Foote who went (ahead of some projections) at 14. That is a case of BPA taking precedence & its hard to argue? The same will be the case this year it appears. The top 5 seems to be consensus, with some variation in picks 3-5. If Zadina or Tkachuk is what is left if we draft 5th, I may think hard before trading down. If we draft 6th, I've yet to pick a fave among the next 6 or 8 guys. I would be very open to moving down. Had the trade been made for the 6th and the 34th it would have been awesome. Think JB was trying to goad LV pre draft but they didn’t bite. Good that they were open to trying. This is the way forward. No player outside of our young prospects and two young NHL all stars is untouchable Totally agree that we have to address the utter lack of drafting d men. At this point. If two player have similar upside and one is the defender, for the love of god, draft the d man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phat Fingers Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 On 2018-01-30 at 1:51 PM, ForsbergTheGreat said: And as I said, we are in the midst of a rebuild, we have a long ways to go, this year isn’t make or break for us to find another top pairing D. You seem to be under the idea that top pairing D only can be found with a top 5-10 pick and if we don’t go that route this year we will be in massive trouble and be forced to make big trades to obtain one. But as I pointed out, most top pairing D come outside of the top 10. Even if you see this team making an improvement next year, to even become a middle of the pack team, nothing is stopping us from landing a top pairing D in next year’s draft. The league is filled with top pairing guys picked in the 10-30 range. I don’t see it nearly as dire as you seem to make it out to be. If we’re picking 5 and the BPA is a D, by all means take a D, but if the best player is a forward you take the forward. There’s a reason why your scouts rank a player better than another, one or two spots might be all that separates them but 3-5 years down the road that separation could be huge. Again Boeser and Roy were ranked within a few spots of each other at the time of their draft. 3 years later and one player is the All-star MVP and on pace for 40 goals and the other is in the AHL. That’s why it’s not as simple as lets pick a team need. If you trust your scouting then you listen to what they say. Outside of the first round, there’s far less certainty, outside the first round have at it, pick on team needs. I’m not denying that we need to obtain more quality D, but I’m pointing out that picking a D in the top 5 this year isn’t make or break for the Canucks rebuild. In the Hawks rebuild they picked 1 D out their three consecutive top 5 picks. He amounted to nothing, while a 14th overall and a 54th overall altered their franchise forever. Just two questions, if finding a legit top pairing number one d man is obtainable lower down in the draft, then why are they so hard to come by and expensive to get via FA or trade? Why did this club fail to address it’s lack of d men in the system over the last decade and that this issue isn’t solely a Canucks one? If this was an easy fix, everyone would be doing it. BTW, I am not talking about Boeser vs Roy, or take a d man at all costs and not listening to the scouts. You come across as condescending when you insert random ridiculous points. Of course you scout players and take a player you see as being able to reach their potential. Here is an example of what I am attempting to convey to you. Player ‘A’is a legit top 6 winger in the NHL with first line potential and is ranked ahead of a player ‘B’ that will be a legit top 4 defender with good offence and passing skills with the potential to become a top pairing offensive d man or true number one. I advocate taking the d man in that example. Clear as mud? We need that type of player more. In part because we already have Boeser and Pettersson and Lind and Horvat and Gaudette and Gadjovich and Baer and lord willing Virtannen. After OJ we have very little for defence. Both players ‘A and B should be NHLers but we have a few guys that are young and have similar potential and we completely lack the other player. Nor do I ‘seem’ to think that top pairing d man can only be found at the top of the draft. Logically though, players drafted first have higher odds of success than those drafted later. While there are a few top tier d men found in the later rounds, the same could be said for other positions. You miss every shot you don’t take. The number of times this club has drafted a d man in the top two rounds in a decade is twice. Any wonder why our Defense is so woeful? I have also said that I am fine with taking a forward, but that will not address the obvious weakness and it will be expensive to fix the issue by other means. If that is the way okay, but that means trading away a Boeser or a Pettersson to get that kind of asset. Either that our spend our cap on an FA, like all of it. BTW: You ‘seem’ to think that d men grow on trees in the later rounds and that they are never found in the top ten picks of each draft. That would be ridiculous and it is un’seemly’ for me to put words in your mouth. Agree to disagree, EmW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 11 hours ago, aGENT said: I'd happily take a Monahan on my team. I’m sure other teams would happily take gaunce in their team. Does that make him a world class NHL that you build a franchise around. We’re talking elite talents. You knew that so stop being annoying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 30 minutes ago, Eastcoast meets Westcoast said: EmW I already answered all your questions in depth. Posting the exact same post twice does what exactly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 7 minutes ago, ForsbergTheGreat said: I’m sure other teams would happily take gaunce in their team. Does that make him a world class NHL that you build a franchise around. We’re talking elite talents. You knew that so stop being annoying. Now you're comparing Monahan to Gaunce... I like Gaunce but come on. If I'm being 'annoying', you're being exceedingly obtuse. Monahahn is a damn good hockey player. Is he Crosby, Karlsson, Stamkos or Doughty level? No. Those guys go beyond 'elite' IMO. Any NHL player that can drive play in a top 6/top 4 is a pretty damn elite hockey player. I'd include Monahan in that conversation. YMMV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noble 6 Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 11 hours ago, Canuck Surfer said: For the record. I am down, encourage, salivate, wish for drafting D. I made note in another thread, maybe somewhere in this one, that we drafted in the past 20 years; > In round one just Olli Juolevi & Luc Bourdon. Then Byan Allen 20 years ago this year. > In round two just Taylor Elington, Yan Sauve, Kiril Koltsov, Denis Grot. 6 Picks in 20 years in the top two rounds, 40 potential picks??? From video on the draft floor? It looked like Vegas was discussing trading up with JB last year. Then backed out and we made our Petterson pick. It is a good strategy, potentially game breaking, if you are going off the board so to speak. Would Vegas have offered us the 13th and 15th pick? 6th and 34th? Vegas ultimately picked Glass who we were rumoured to be after! Petterson would have been gone by 13th. But I would have taken 6th and 34th, rolled the dice... edit, ah crap, but yeah if you believe Petterson last year was going to be what he is turning out to be... The next D on most peoples lists was Cal Foote who went (ahead of some projections) at 14. That is a case of BPA taking precedence & its hard to argue? The same will be the case this year it appears. The top 5 seems to be consensus, with some variation in picks 3-5. If Zadina or Tkachuk is what is left if we draft 5th, I may think hard before trading down. If we draft 6th, I've yet to pick a fave among the next 6 or 8 guys. I would be very open to moving down. Benning was asking if McPhee wanted to give up one of his seconds to move from 6th overall to 5th. The trade would've been 6th overall + 2nd round pick for the 5th overall pick. Benning was willing to do this because he knew that Vegas coveted Glass, so we could potentially get another good pick for threatning to take him. Benning also says in the same video that he's unwilling to fall behind the Rangers (7th) because he had no idea who they were taking. I think it came out after the draft that they also had Pettersson very high, so it was a good choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 2 hours ago, SingleThorn said: Soooooo........minus 5 hours, has to be tomorrow,soooo, putting 2 and 2 together, can we assume you're in mighty Oz ? ( I know, we should never 'assume'. ) In the draft, I think that a d would be best suited to our long term needs. We have filled ( partially filled ) many of our basic depth issues. We are now dealing with the 'primo' part of our roster. #1/ #2 c, #1/ #2/ #3 d ( offensive preferred ). I think that BPAs come in tiers. Tier one only has Dahlin, tier 2 unfortunately has 3 wingers. This doesn't line up too well with our needs. Taking Murphy's law into consideration and a healthy line up winning more games than our B line up was, I think we'll end up picking 7 or 8. A lot depends on our post TDL line up. Yup, Melbourne ATM. Its a crazy place. Tier 2 may have Boqvist? It certainly does for some. I'm just deciding. Maybe because I ''want'' a D, I'm being too critical picking one...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 8 hours ago, R3aL said: Didn't see posted earlier but has anyone seen pronmans latest rankings? he has Tkachuk at 15... Shocking to me. Yeah, that's....interesting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 Just now, aGENT said: Now you're comparing Monahan to Gaunce... I like Gaunce but come on. If I'm being 'annoying', you're being exceedingly obtuse. You’re the one that made the statement that you would like monahan their for hes world class. Just giving you a taste of your own medicine. What I said is no different that Just now, aGENT said: is a damn good hockey player. Is he Crosby, Karlsson, Stamkos or Doughty level? No. Hmm and there the types of players we were about. Absolute picks that will turn in world class. You know the point in the draft where picks tend to drop off from sure fire talents to just hopefuls. Seriously. You’re simply trolling to be annoying. You knew what the discussion was about but felt the need to throw in your snarky statement. Grow up. Geuss what there’s less than 800 people in the world that play in the nhl each year. By true definition any player to play a game in the NHL is world class. But we all knew what was being discussed in regards to draft position. I guess expect clueless JR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bure_Pavel Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 7 minutes ago, aGENT said: Yeah, that's....interesting? I wouldnt read into it too much his rankings look really bad. He has Dobson at 24 and Bouchard at 26. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 3 minutes ago, ForsbergTheGreat said: You’re the one that made the statement that you would like monahan their for hes world class. Just giving you a taste of your own medicine. What I said is no different that Hmm and there the types of players we were about. Absolute picks that will turn in world class. You know the point in the draft where picks tend to drop off from sure fire talents to just hopefuls. Seriously. You’re simply trolling to be annoying. You knew what the discussion was about but felt the need to throw in your snarky statement. Grow up. Geuss what there’s less than 800 people in the world that play in the nhl each year. By true definition any player to play a game in the NHL is world class. But we all knew what was being discussed in regards to draft position. I guess expect clueless JR. lol 'trolling' ok. Most teams aren't blessed with Crosby's etc. If that's your hope/expectation heading in to any draft, you're setting yourself up for disappointment. But carry on stomping your feet and pouting... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 1 minute ago, Bure_Pavel said: I wouldnt read into it too much his rankings look really bad. He has Dobson at 24 and Bouchard at 26. Yeah, I just find it a point of interest, a curiosity. What's the reasoning for being SO far outside 'everyone' else's rankings...? More interested in the why than the actual rankings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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