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2 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Yup, Brady is the better of two boys.  I would be concerned about him signing with us though.  He might have selected the college route (which is different from his brother) in order to pick the team he plays for.  Like you say, he is smart.

I'm also keeping an eye out on serron noel. Kid is a freak athlete who is just scratching the surface of his potential. Reminds me alot of wayne simmonds.

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Late first. Early second. He's starting to climb alot of peoples draft boards. Thing with him, is he really hasnt chosen hockey as his only sport until he started playing junior. Another interesting fact is he is the son of former cfler dean noel.

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28 minutes ago, Hutton Wink said:

Actually, then we'd be hearing, "Imagine if we had BOTH brothers, playing together?  #benningisstillanidiot"

 

Juolevi over Tkachuk is essentially Sam Bowie over Michael Jordan -- an unforgivable sin.

MIchael who?

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15 minutes ago, Isam said:

I'm also keeping an eye out on serron noel. Kid is a freak athlete who is just scratching the surface of his potential. Reminds me alot of wayne simmonds.

He's a big kid.  Watching his tape he gives me an Anthony Mantha vibe without the necessary snarl, maybe more like an Alex Tuch if we're comparing to recent drafts

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6 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

He's a big kid.  Watching his tape he gives me an Anthony Mantha vibe without the necessary snarl, maybe more like an Alex Tuch if we're comparing to recent drafts

Like i said. Hes raw, but deffinately can be turned into a player. Like the tuch comparable.

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38 minutes ago, Hutton Wink said:

Actually, then we'd be hearing, "Imagine if we had BOTH brothers, playing together?  #benningisstillanidiot"

 

Juolevi over Tkachuk is essentially Sam Bowie over Michael Jordan -- an unforgivable sin.

Can't believe you are comparing Matt Tkachuk to Michael Jordan

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3 hours ago, ForsbergTheGreat said:

.pretending that Monahan is on the same level of the players

Hey FTG

 

Just a sidebar...  I think (If wrong, my apologies) the elite athlete context I used to help define BPA's morphed into this convo about elite and franchise defining hockey players.  Its not a bad conversation though. And to use Monahan as an example...

 

What separates Monahan, who's skills and performance is very good, from the game changing talents you describe?  The difference is elite and game changing speed or agility, power. He's big. And fast, but not on Taylor Hall's level.  Big, but cant blast though guys like Ovi. Quick, but cannot evade guys like Patrick Kane. So although he is a very good player? A good coach and team will have a system and a collection of matchups that render him guardable. Gaudreau is unguardable, the engine on that team. Ovi, Kane, Hall, Karlsson, Hedman...

 

And its my contention, among the good players at the top of the draft, that this is what should separate BPA.  To what degree is there no matchup if this prospect is deployed.

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5 hours ago, Hutton Wink said:

Actually, then we'd be hearing, "Imagine if we had BOTH brothers, playing together?  #benningisstillanidiot"

 

Juolevi over Tkachuk is essentially Sam Bowie over Michael Jordan -- an unforgivable sin.

 I can think of some truly epic bad moves and picks that have been made by this club.  Some would be close to the Bowie over Jordan, but even trading Neely doesn’t reach that height of stupidity.  

 

Wow, somehow it’s relieving to know that even the worst Canucks GM still was better than the absolute worst. 

 

We could make the teams catch phrase, ‘we were bad, but not the worst’ when it comes to pre Pat Quinn eras of management.  

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Didn't see this posted here but perhaps I am posting this in the wrong forum (?) it's a list team by team of each's draft picks for the 2018 draft. Thought it might be of interest to some on here with the trade deadline approaching to see what picks teams could potentially offer JB in upcoming negotiations...

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21 hours ago, Canuck Surfer said:

Hey FTG

 

Just a sidebar...  I think (If wrong, my apologies) the elite athlete context I used to help define BPA's morphed into this convo about elite and franchise defining hockey players.  Its not a bad conversation though. And to use Monahan as an example...

 

What separates Monahan, who's skills and performance is very good, from the game changing talents you describe?  The difference is elite and game changing speed or agility, power. He's big. And fast, but not on Taylor Hall's level.  Big, but cant blast though guys like Ovi. Quick, but cannot evade guys like Patrick Kane. So although he is a very good player? A good coach and team will have a system and a collection of matchups that render him guardable. Gaudreau is unguardable, the engine on that team. Ovi, Kane, Hall, Karlsson, Hedman...

 

And its my contention, among the good players at the top of the draft, that this is what should separate BPA.  To what degree is there no matchup if this prospect is deployed.

It’s the ability to drive a line.  In order to be elite, not only do players need to bring top end offense, they need to be able to dictate the play off the game.  Being from Calgary and going to 8-10 games live a year and being forced to watch/listen to local radio/tv I get a lot of exposure to the flames.  While Monohan is a talented player, he’s a passenger that can get into the right spot and score.  Sort of like Ferklund is doing this year.  The flames powerplay (which has been awful this year, revolves around that.  Get Sean into the slot and let Johnny work the puck to him).  If you were to talk to any flames fans about which players are untouchable, the only two players people would list would be Johnny and Tkachuk.   Those two player create chances and can dictate the play of the game.  

 

It’s also why even though Monahan has been putting up more offense than Bo. I wouldn’t even consider a one for one trade.  Bo is the more valuable player.     

 

But with that said, if you bring it back to the original topic of where talent drops off.  Monahan (who’s talented) would still be considered a long shot expectation with the 6th overall pick.  If a Monahan type talent is the expectation with the 6th overall, then we should be extremely upset with what’s happened to our 2014, 6th overall. 

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52 minutes ago, ForsbergTheGreat said:

It’s the ability to drive a line.  In order to be elite, not only do players need to bring top end offense, they need to be able to dictate the play off the game.  Being from Calgary and going to 8-10 games live a year and being forced to watch/listen to local radio/tv I get a lot of exposure to the flames.  While Monohan is a talented player, he’s a passenger that can get into the right spot and score.  Sort of like Ferklund is doing this year.  The flames powerplay (which has been awful this year, revolves around that.  Get Sean into the slot and let Johnny work the puck to him).  If you were to talk to any flames fans about which players are untouchable, the only two players people would list would be Johnny and Tkachuk.   Those two player create chances and can dictate the play of the game.  

 

It’s also why even though Monahan has been putting up more offense than Bo. I wouldn’t even consider a one for one trade.  Bo is the more valuable player.     

 

But with that said, if you bring it back to the original topic of where talent drops off.  Monahan (who’s talented) would still be considered a long shot expectation with the 6th overall pick.  If a Monahan type talent is the expectation with the 6th overall, then we should be extremely upset with what’s happened to our 2014, 6th overall. 

But doesn't the dropoff vary from draft to draft. If its a surprisingly deep draft, then a so called elite talent might fall to a lower number. As for monahan, you made some good points man.

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1 hour ago, Isam said:

But doesn't the dropoff vary from draft to draft. If its a surprisingly deep draft, then a so called elite talent might fall to a lower number. As for monahan, you made some good points man.

Yes every draft varies but that’s where averages come into play,  I broke down 2016-2003 = 14 years.  Obviously there’s some room for discussion since not everyone has exact definition for elite but it’s still pretty obvious as to where the talent drops.

 

1st overall 

Matthews* McDavid*, Ekblad, McKinnon*, Yak, RNH, Hall, Tavares*, Stamkos*, Kane*, Johnson, Crosby*, Ovi*, Fluery = 8/14

 

2nd overall

Laine*, Eichel*, Reinhart, Barkov, Murray, Landeskog, Seguin*, Hedman*, Doughty*, JVR, Staal, Ryan, Malkin* Staal* = 7/14

 

3rd overall

Dobois, Strome, Draisaitl*, Drouin, Galchenyak, Huberdeau, Gudbranson, Duchene, Bogosian, Turris Toews*, Johnson, Barker, Horton = 2/14

 

4th overall

Puljuarvi, Marner, Bennett, Jones*, Reinhart, Larsson, Johansen, Kane, Pietrangelo*, Hickey, Backstrom*, Pouliot, Ladd, Zherdev = 3/14

 

5th overall

Joulevi, Hanifin, Dal Colle, Lindholm, Reilly*, Strome, Niederreiter, Schenn, Schenn, Alzner, Kessel*, Price*, Wheeler, Vanek, =3/14

 

6th overall

Tkachuk, Zacha, Virtanen, Monahan, Lindholm, Zibanejad, Connoly, OEL*, Filitov, Gagner, Brassard, Brule, Montoya, Michalek, Upshall =1/14

 

When looking at elite, franchise changing talent, you go from an above 50% elite expectation rate in the top 2, to 20% and under.  Which brings me to my point, if we happen to get the 6th overall, it doesn’t mean we should just automatically expect we are getting a Monahan or OEL type talent.  Thinking that just because we draft a D in the top 10 doesn’t mean we can just simply plug them into our future top pairing.

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