aGENT Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 So @ForsbergTheGreat, would you be on board for moving our likely 3+ pick (+) for Karlsson as per the Athletic article? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 6 minutes ago, aGENT said: So @ForsbergTheGreat, would you be on board for moving our likely 3+ pick (+) for Karlsson as per the Athletic article? Nope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R3aL Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 20 minutes ago, aGENT said: So @ForsbergTheGreat, would you be on board for moving our likely 3+ pick (+) for Karlsson as per the Athletic article? I'll be devasted if we do that just because it goes against everything comminicated to us to us by the org. In regards to strategy and direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 3 minutes ago, R3aL said: I'll be devasted if we do that just because it goes against everything comminicated to us to us by the org. In regards to strategy and direction. I dunno about that.... I'm not saying we should or even that it's remotely likely but that's a stretch IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 5 minutes ago, R3aL said: I'll be devasted if we do that just because it goes against everything comminicated to us to us by the org. In regards to strategy and direction. Well...Karlsson is only 27, so we could expect him to play another 8 seasons at a pretty high level. I'd make that trade, providing we have him signed to an extension, and the cost was only the 2018 first, and nothing more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PuckYa Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 On 1/31/2018 at 6:09 PM, Isam said: Another world class player is nikita kucherov who was drafted 58th overall. You can make the argument that hes close to world class. Or Getzlaf at #19 Perry #28 J. Benn #129 Marchand #71 Gudreau #104 Bergeron #45 D. Keith #54 Chara #56 Karlsson #15 Weber #49 Tarasenko #16 Kopitar #11 Kesler #23 Carter #11 Giroux #22 Zetterberg #210 Datsuyk #171 Rantanen #10 Pastranek #25 Sakic #15 Bure #113 B. Hull #117 Gilmour #133 Fleury #166 Alfredsson #133 Bondra #156 Robitaille #171 Horvat #9 Barzal #16 Boeser #23 St.Louis (never drafted) Etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 10 minutes ago, Alflives said: Well...Karlsson is only 27, so we could expect him to play another 8 seasons at a pretty high level. I'd make that trade, providing we have him signed to an extension, and the cost was only the 2018 first, and nothing more. Karlsson is ufa next year and has already stated he’s going to look for max amount. So either we get him for one season and he walks or he holds a gun to our head and we sign him to a deal that puts us into cap troubles. Like we are seeing happen with the hawks and soon the oilers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 3 minutes ago, ForsbergTheGreat said: Karlsson is ufa next year and has already stated he’s going to look for max amount. So either we get him for one season and he walks or he holds a gun to our head and we sign him to a deal that puts us into cap troubles. Like we are seeing happen with the hawks and soon the oilers. Let's just assume the trade hapens after July 1st and it includes a contract extension (large but manageable). We've already drafted Zadina say, and he's the main piece going back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 4 minutes ago, aGENT said: Let's just assume the trade hapens after July 1st and it includes a contract extension (large but manageable). We've already drafted Zadina say, and he's the main piece going back. If it includes a contract extension around 7 years, 8 million (which is way lower than I expect he’s looking for, he’s probably wanting 10-12). Then yep I’d consider it. Would be nicer if he was 2-3 years young but yep. If his contact is over 10 then they’d have to take back Eriksson. Haha to even things out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 Just now, ForsbergTheGreat said: If it includes a contract extension around 7 years, 8 million (which is way lower than I expect he’s looking for, he’s probably wanting 10-12). Then yep I’d consider it. Would be nicer if he was 2-3 years young but yep. If his contact is over 10 then they’d have to take back Eriksson. Haha to even things out. I'd guess you could probably get the AAV to around 10'ish and still pay him. Something like 12, 12, 12, 10, 10, 10, 8, 6 would give you an AAV of $10m over 8 years. Might be able to get a bit less than that but I'm trying to err on the high side of plausible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flickyoursedin Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 1 minute ago, aGENT said: I'd guess you could probably get the AAV to around 10'ish and still pay him. Something like 12, 12, 12, 10, 10, 10, 8, 6 would give you an AAV of $10m over 8 years. Might be able to get a bit less than that but I'm trying to err on the high side of plausible. Yeah he publicly came out and said he’s not taking any discount. I don’t see a scenario that doesn’t make him the highest paid defender and rightfully so. I honestly see 10 mill a year being the lowest cap hit he’d sign for. Maybe Vancouver gets some nice draft picks and UFA pickups that lure Karlsson to Vancouver and we throw an acceptable 7 year 10 million a year offer at Karlsson as a 2019 free agent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 24 minutes ago, ForsbergTheGreat said: Karlsson is ufa next year and has already stated he’s going to look for max amount. So either we get him for one season and he walks or he holds a gun to our head and we sign him to a deal that puts us into cap troubles. Like we are seeing happen with the hawks and soon the oilers. I see your point. Our future would be affected one way or the other. The Leafs might be heading into Cap hell too, if they sign Matthews to McDavid numbers. Love to have a guy like Karlsson, but not at the cost of our future chances to build a Cup winning team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 1 minute ago, Alflives said: I see your point. Our future would be affected one way or the other. The Leafs might be heading into Cap hell too, if they sign Matthews to McDavid numbers. Love to have a guy like Karlsson, but not at the cost of our future chances to build a Cup winning team. Yep. That’s kind of the unknown territory we’re heading into. Locking so much cap into a few select players makes it really hard ice a full team. The only way you can do that is if you are constantly drafting and developing young players to come in and produce above there cap value. Like the penguins have been able to do and the hawks in the past. compare the how the flames locked up Johnny and monahan for a combined total of 13. To the oilers who know have Leon and mcdavid locked up for a combined total of 21 million. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 11 minutes ago, flickyoursedin said: Yeah he publicly came out and said he’s not taking any discount. I don’t see a scenario that doesn’t make him the highest paid defender and rightfully so. I honestly see 10 mill a year being the lowest cap hit he’d sign for. Maybe Vancouver gets some nice draft picks and UFA pickups that lure Karlsson to Vancouver and we throw an acceptable 7 year 10 million a year offer at Karlsson as a 2019 free agent. If you think that's a discount, I don't think you looked at the numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 1 minute ago, ForsbergTheGreat said: Yep. That’s kind of the unknown territory we’re heading into. Locking so much cap into a few select players makes it really hard ice a full team. The only way you can do that is if you are constantly drafting and developing young players to come in and produce above there cap value. Like the penguins have been able to do and the hawks in the past. compare the how the flames locked up Johnny and monahan for a combined total of 13. To the oilers who know have Leon and mcdavid locked up for a combined total of 21 million. We have Bo at 5.5. Hopefully we can get Boeser for less than 8, so we can have our two young gun forwards not costing too much. Considering we could keep under 13 million for Bo and Boeser, could we then afford crazy number for a guy like Karlsson? 10 million maybe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flickyoursedin Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 2 minutes ago, aGENT said: If you think that's a discount, I don't think you looked at the numbers. I don’t think that’s a discount he pretty much said he wants to be paid like he’s the top defender in the league. PK makes 9 million a year. I think it takes 10 million a year to lock Karlsson up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 Just now, flickyoursedin said: I don’t think that’s a discount he pretty much said he wants to be paid like he’s the top defender in the league. PK makes 9 million a year. I think it takes 10 million a year to lock Karlsson up. You can't just look at AAV though. PK signed his deal 2 years younger, with 2 extra years of prime. Albeit inflation will also have an effect. If EK is getting paid $11m or $12m the next few years but it declines steadily in the last 2-3 years giving you an AAV of $8.5-$9.5, I don't think he's complaining that the AAV is too low, he'd still be one of the 'highest paid D'. Besides I doubt anyone's outdoing Weber's $14m for a while yet given it was signed pre-lockout and before current contract limits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R3aL Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 1 hour ago, aGENT said: I dunno about that.... I'm not saying we should or even that it's remotely likely but that's a stretch IMO. Say it was third overall that is one of Svechnikov or Zadina. Both look like surefire top line wingers and Juolevi will most likely be a top 4 D with #2 potential. Karlsson is gonna eat cap space, karlsson health is in question and last playoffs could have been the peak of his career with his best days possibly behind him. plus with our D injury luck and our travel schedule and western conference play day in and out it could not be a good scenario for Karlssons ankle injury. obviously it would be exciting getting a top dman like karlsson but if it's a top 3 pick, Juolevi and + something more probably I will not be that optimistic about it being best for the teams long term future. And I'll be annoyed because we wouldn't be getting younger and building through the draft like they say they are doing. if it was a 6th or later pick + juolevi for karlsson extended and passing a physical then I'd go for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 6 minutes ago, R3aL said: Say it was third overall that is one of Svechnikov or Zadina. Both look like surefire top line wingers and Juolevi will most likely be a top 4 D with #2 potential. Karlsson is gonna eat cap space, karlsson health is in question and last playoffs could have been the peak of his career with his best days possibly behind him. plus with our D injury luck and our travel schedule and western conference play day in and out it could not be a good scenario for Karlssons ankle injury. obviously it would be exciting getting a top dman like karlsson but if it's a top 3 pick, Juolevi and + something more probably I will not be that optimistic about it being best for the teams long term future. And I'll be annoyed because we wouldn't be getting younger and building through the draft like they say they are doing. if it was a 6th or later pick + juolevi for karlsson extended and passing a physical then I'd go for it. I wouldn't be sending Juolevi. Svech/Zadina would be the main piece. And yes, if I'm the Canucks I'm doing some serious due diligence on that ankle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R3aL Posted February 2, 2018 Share Posted February 2, 2018 1 minute ago, aGENT said: I wouldn't be sending Juolevi. Svech/Zadina would be the main piece. And yes, if I'm the Canucks I'm doing some serious due diligence on that ankle. What I heard on radio was the proposal was a lottery pick outside of Dahlin + Juolevi for Karlsson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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