Popular Post Psycho_Path Posted April 23, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted April 23, 2019 Bad place to continue this discussion, but as has been discussed in other "Benning sucks" threads, look at what he had to work with when he got here vs other GMs that people think have done a way better job. Look at our injury situation vs other GMs'. Now look at the change in our prospect pool ranking. Look at each trade he's made and see where the players in them are now on both sides of the fence. It's not difficult to see that Benning has done a good job. I also do hope Utica starts to show improvement in its placement as well. Should be interesting to see if Lind and Gadjovich have much better seasons next year than this. 6 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete M Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 hope Kole Lind develops this coming year in the "A" and makes the jump to the NHL in the 20-21 season...he needs to be better than players like Granlund, Motte, Baer, Schaller, and Goldy to make the team...unless, JB makes changes and gets better players through trade or UFA, then he will have to play better than them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dungass Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 If you compare Lind to other Canuck second rounders or late firsts, (Antoski, Rob Murphy, Polasek, Rick Girard, Robb Gordon, Nathan Smith, Schroeder, Jensen) 1st year in the AHL, his development is not looking promising. I mean, he has very long odds to beat of becoming a productive NHLer. Can't give up on the kid after one year, but not looking good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 10 minutes ago, Dungass said: If you compare Lind to other Canuck second rounders or late firsts, (Antoski, Rob Murphy, Polasek, Rick Girard, Robb Gordon, Nathan Smith, Schroeder, Jensen) 1st year in the AHL, his development is not looking promising. I mean, he has very long odds to beat of becoming a productive NHLer. Can't give up on the kid after one year, but not looking good. Personally I think second round picks should be used on D men. I’m just hoping Lind (and Gadjovic too) get a legitimate chance to play in Utica. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 17 minutes ago, Dungass said: If you compare Lind to other Canuck second rounders or late firsts, (Antoski, Rob Murphy, Polasek, Rick Girard, Robb Gordon, Nathan Smith, Schroeder, Jensen) 1st year in the AHL, his development is not looking promising. I mean, he has very long odds to beat of becoming a productive NHLer. Can't give up on the kid after one year, but not looking good. He's 20 and he ended the year strong. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 On 4/22/2019 at 12:42 PM, Sean Monahan said: Sure everybody has those players but if they make it who gives a crap? They made it. That’s literally the point of drafting. Benning’s had 5 drafts which have already produced 4 surefire players for the Canucks (EP, Hughes, Boeser, Virtanen), 5 who have a very good shot (McCann, forsling, Demko, Gaudette, and Try), a few good prospects with excellent chances at a career (Juolevi, Woo, and Brisebois), and a few lottery tickets. That group right there will produce at least 10 NHL players with is st least on par with NHL average with a good shot at being better. And you’re moving the goal posts here. You said high picks, now you’re slamming him for hitting on high second rounders too. Like **** right off with that. How can you call yourself objective with this kind of stuff. What? Unless you're referencing injuries as a reason, OJ is a pretty surefire bet to have a solid NHL career. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Monahan Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 55 minutes ago, stawns said: What? Unless you're referencing injuries as a reason, OJ is a pretty surefire bet to have a solid NHL career. Bingo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
48MPHSlapShot Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 Why isn't anybody talking about Kole Lind? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyoung Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 2 hours ago, Dungass said: If you compare Lind to other Canuck second rounders or late firsts, (Antoski, Rob Murphy, Polasek, Rick Girard, Robb Gordon, Nathan Smith, Schroeder, Jensen) 1st year in the AHL, his development is not looking promising. I mean, he has very long odds to beat of becoming a productive NHLer. Can't give up on the kid after one year, but not looking good. Don't know if you actually watched him and followed his season, or just say down and looked at his stats at the end of the season. Dude fought injuries all year, adjusting to pro life (living on your own, diet, working out), all that stuff adds up. Time for him to buckle down for sure but im not worried yet... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Rob_Zepp Posted April 27, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted April 27, 2019 The expectations on these kids by some is insane. Professional hockey is hard. Adjusting to professional hockey is hard. It takes some kids six weeks and some others six months and others even six years. These are not robots. Until a prospect has had at least three years of professional hockey under their belts it is nearly impossible to know what you have unless there is the rare elite talent (the EP or Boeser types) or the obvious "this just isn't going to work out" kids who simply cannot adjust to demands of professional hockey. Give these kids some room to breathe and grow. Kole Lind had a better than average first year of professional hockey. He took some time to find out how much better condition he needed to be in than he did in junior and you could notice in his play in the last 1/4 of the season how much faster and more confident his decisions were to the point he was looking dangerous offensively and very responsible defensively. I only hope those who troll these kids on this forum are better to the kids in their real lives - support and encouragement should be the norm, not the exception. 2 4 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred65 Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 Well, Rob, I understand your theory. Here's my question, if you! know there's a huge difference and the need to improve how come Lind didn't know. Why does it take the introduction to the blunt end to get him motivated? He should have been busting down the door to the rink with his super strength and improved speed last September. I don't think it's a mystery that the AHL is a big step up from junior hockey. He knows now but frankly, he should have known last September ...... IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanuck Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 6 minutes ago, Fred65 said: Well, Rob, I understand your theory. Here's my question, if you! know there's a huge difference and the need to improve how come Lind didn't know. Why does it take the introduction to the blunt end to get him motivated? He should have been busting down the door to the rink with his super strength and improved speed last September. I don't think it's a mystery that the AHL is a big step up from junior hockey. He knows now but frankly, he should have known last September ...... IMO Just wondering if you listened and responded to everything people told you when you were 19yo or did you need time to figure things out on your own? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kootenay Gold Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 5 minutes ago, Fred65 said: Well, Rob, I understand your theory. Here's my question, if you! know there's a huge difference and the need to improve how come Lind didn't know. Why does it take the introduction to the blunt end to get him motivated? He should have been busting down the door to the rink with his super strength and improved speed last September. I don't think it's a mystery that the AHL is a big step up from junior hockey. He knows now but frankly, he should have known last September ...... IMO You bring up a good point Fred. When these kids are drafted, what input, if any, is given to the player about how big of a jump it is to go from the CHL to the AHL and the extent management goes to to ensure they are well aware of the training commitment they need in order to hit the ground running at the start of the new season. I am not privy to how that works and any input from those that have gone through that would be most enlightening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlanB Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 4 minutes ago, Fanuck said: Just wondering if you listened and responded to everything people told you when you were 19yo or did you need time to figure things out on your own? ^ This is gold and should be pinned and made mandatory reading before receiving posting privileges on CDC. 1 minute ago, Kootenay Gold said: You bring up a good point Fred. When these kids are drafted, what input, if any, is given to the player about how big of a jump it is to go from the CHL to the AHL and the extent management goes to to ensure they are well aware of the training commitment they need in order to hit the ground running at the start of the new season. I am not privy to how that works and any input from those that have gone through that would be most enlightening. CHL players are essentially semi-professional athletes in their lifestyles and team commitments. Their own advisors, CHL coaches, and if drafted, their NHL teams all have varying degrees of input in their training, diet, lifestyle ect... You can be certain a guy coming from a 'gold standard' franchise like Kelowna absolutely had excellent advice offered to him before and after his draft year. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glug Datt Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 17 minutes ago, Fred65 said: Well, Rob, I understand your theory. Here's my question, if you! know there's a huge difference and the need to improve how come Lind didn't know. Why does it take the introduction to the blunt end to get him motivated? He should have been busting down the door to the rink with his super strength and improved speed last September. I don't think it's a mystery that the AHL is a big step up from junior hockey. He knows now but frankly, he should have known last September ...... IMO every player will react and adjust at their own pace.. some get it quicker than others, some never do. that's why there's more than one draft round.. If there's mid - to - late 1st round picks that fail each and every year, I think we can extend some grace to young Master Lind. I'm sure he's his own worst critic. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kootenay Gold Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 2 minutes ago, PlanB said: ^ This is gold and should be pinned and made mandatory reading before receiving posting privileges on CDC. CHL players are essentially semi-professional athletes in their lifestyles and team commitments. Their own advisors, CHL coaches, and if drafted, their NHL teams all have varying degrees of input in their training, diet, lifestyle ect... You can be certain a guy coming from a 'gold standard' franchise like Kelowna absolutely had excellent advice offered to him before and after his draft year. I was referring specifically to what the Canucks management team offers to the players that they have drafted. In response to the bolded comment you made.... If you have problems with the range or scope of knowledge of any of the posters on here have; perhaps this sight is not for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred65 Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, PlanB said: ^ This is gold and should be pinned and made mandatory reading before receiving posting privileges on CDC. CHL players are essentially semi-professional athletes in their lifestyles and team commitments. Their own advisors, CHL coaches, and if drafted, their NHL teams all have varying degrees of input in their training, diet, lifestyle ect... You can be certain a guy coming from a 'gold standard' franchise like Kelowna absolutely had excellent advice offered to him before and after his draft year. 1 Sunshine any player who has played major junior or NCAA know what is expected of them and frankly the degree to which they apply the advice from agents, coaches Canuck management is on them. These are not lost lambs in the night that suddenly find this is going to be tough or they're either lazy or stupid. You can only take a horse to water but you can't make it drink. The entire point of having agents, coaches, conditioning coaches, skill coaches etc etc is to make you better. Should you not take them seriously is on the player, such as Hutton in his first summer training. He came back in poor shape and ended up in the press box or not taking regular shifts for all of the following seasons. That my friend is just plain stupid. Lind will return in better condition, better strength and a better skater, it's a shame he didn't do it last summer, but that's on him. I hope he applies himself this summer or he may end up as a Boucher AHL player. This pro hockey and it's a dog eats dog world Edited April 28, 2019 by Fred65 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UticaHockey Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 14 minutes ago, Fred65 said: Sunshine any player who has played major junior or NCAA know what is expected of them and frankly the degree to which they apply the advice from agents, coaches Canuck management is on them. These are not lost lambs in the night that suddenly find this is going to be tough or they're either lazy or stupid. You can only take a horse to water but you can't make it drink. The entire point of having agents, coaches, conditioning coaches, skill coaches etc etc is to make you better. Should you not take them seriously is on the player, such as Hutton in his first summer training. He came back in poor shape and ended up in the press box or not taking regular shifts for all of the following seasons. That my friend is just plain stupid. Lind will return in better condition, better strength and a better skater, it's a shame he didn't do it last summer, but that's on him. I hope he applies himself this summer or he may end up as a Boucher AHL player. This pro hockey and it's a dog eats dog world Let's not forget that Lind played 6 games with the Comets in 2018 after his junior season ended and looked like a deer in the headlights. I would have hoped that he would have spent last summer getting better prepared for the league that he got an introduction to. This summer is huge for him and he needs to take it seriously. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vannuck59 Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 Lind would have been better off playing for the Giants where he could have dominated than he would have transitioned better to the AHL sitting on the bench being scratched, showed him nothing time to clean house in Utica . Once again this shows how JB fails at prospect development. 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UticaHockey Posted April 28, 2019 Share Posted April 28, 2019 9 minutes ago, vannuck59 said: Lind would have been better off playing for the Giants where he could have dominated than he would have transitioned better to the AHL sitting on the bench being scratched, showed him nothing time to clean house in Utica . Once again this shows how JB fails at prospect development. How many games did Lind get scratched when healthy in Utica? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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