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19 minutes ago, canuktravella said:

 lol your out your mind  third tier lol  hes 22 and a ppg  you know hold old sedins were when they were a ppg 27  petey takes hard match ups and thrives in them he had more playoff points last yr than matthews had in 3 playoff attempts. and petey is plus 19 since being a canuck miller is plus 2 big difference  

He is not a ppg player, neither over his NHL career, nor this year. This year he has only 21 points over 27 games; over 82 games, that equates to 63 points - about .75 points per game. Like I said, a third tier centre, second tier as a stretch if you don’t count the fact that he can’t take his own face offs, and is not really able to take the man on the backcheck. Until Pettersson makes a serious commitment to getting stronger, that is pretty much his fate. In a league with McDavid, Dreisatl, Mathews and so on, his is not a first string centre, nor really a second string centre because there are plenty of centres with his kind of points that can take their own draws and defend very well.

 

I don’t see the point in polishing player’s resume just because they play for the local team. The performance of thi# team is a pretty accurate measure of its level of talent. It has a few interesting, but not exceptional talents, a bunch of highly overpaid vets, and a bunch of guys who were never anything anywhere in the NHL. Their position in the league reinforces that assessment. They won’t make the playoffs, they don’t deserve to make the playoffs, and after all these years of high draft picks, our prospect pool is much less than average.

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8 minutes ago, Ray_Cathode said:

He is not a ppg player, neither over his NHL career, nor this year. This year he has only 21 points over 27 games; over 82 games, that equates to 63 points - about .75 points per game. Like I said, a third tier centre, second tier as a stretch if you don’t count the fact that he can’t take his own face offs, and is not really able to take the man on the backcheck. Until Pettersson makes a serious commitment to getting stronger, that is pretty much his fate. In a league with McDavid, Dreisatl, Mathews and so on, his is not a first string centre, nor really a second string centre because there are plenty of centres with his kind of points that can take their own draws and defend very well.

 

I don’t see the point in polishing player’s resume just because they play for the local team. The performance of thi# team is a pretty accurate measure of its level of talent. It has a few interesting, but not exceptional talents, a bunch of highly overpaid vets, and a bunch of guys who were never anything anywhere in the NHL. Their position in the league reinforces that assessment. They won’t make the playoffs, they don’t deserve to make the playoffs, and after all these years of high draft picks, our prospect pool is much less than average.

165 games reg season 153 is    .927 ppg 

 

playoffs 18 points in 17 games 1.058 ppg  ya you should learn  hockey bud 

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1 hour ago, Ray_Cathode said:

there is no evidence that Pettersson is improving, in fact, quite the contrary.

Umm wtf are you talking about. This makes no sense, clearly just talking out of your @$$. 

 

2019-20: 68 Games Played 

                 59 Face-offs Won

                 82 Face-offs Lost

                 41.8% Won

 

2020-21: 26 Games Played

                 63 Face-offs Won 

                 77 Face-offs Lost 

                 45.0% Won

 

He won more face-offs this season than last season in almost a third of the games and was winning them at a much higher rate. Clearly a marked improvement.

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57 minutes ago, 204CanucksFan said:

Umm wtf are you talking about. This makes no sense, clearly just talking out of your @$$. 

 

2019-20: 68 Games Played 

                 59 Face-offs Won

                 82 Face-offs Lost

                 41.8% Won

 

2020-21: 26 Games Played

                 63 Face-offs Won 

                 77 Face-offs Lost 

                 45.0% Won

 

He won more face-offs this season than last season in almost a third of the games and was winning them at a much higher rate. Clearly a marked improvement.

Right. Of course almost all of his face offs were in the neutral zone, not critical wins like in the offensive or defensive zone. Players do not put the same effort into neutral zone draws.  In addition, his play this year had declined from previous years - this year he was a .75 ppg player, not a ppg player, and last year he play only improved because he had Miller winning his draws, doing the muscle work on the boards. In addition, last year, Miller was the ppg player, not Pettersson - Miller led Pettersson by 10 points, 76 to 66. In fact, it is even arguable, seeing as They both played the same number of games, and they were on the same line, Miller improved Pettersson’s play.

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7 hours ago, Ray_Cathode said:

Right. Of course almost all of his face offs were in the neutral zone, not critical wins like in the offensive or defensive zone. Players do not put the same effort into neutral zone draws.  In addition, his play this year had declined from previous years - this year he was a .75 ppg player, not a ppg player, and last year he play only improved because he had Miller winning his draws, doing the muscle work on the boards. In addition, last year, Miller was the ppg player, not Pettersson - Miller led Pettersson by 10 points, 76 to 66. In fact, it is even arguable, seeing as They both played the same number of games, and they were on the same line, Miller improved Pettersson’s play.

Again man, what are you talking about?!? Miller had 72 points, not 76. And saying Miller improved Pettersson’s play because he was 'doing the muscle work on the boards' is a farcical way of looking at these two players complementary playing style. In 2018-19, Pettersson’s rookie season, the only season Pettersson played without Miller, Pettersson put up 66 points in 71 games  for 0.93 PPG.

 

In every season Miller played before arriving in Vancouver, Miller put up 237 points in 435 game for 0.55 PPG. His career best single season before arriving in Vancouver was 58 points in 82 games for 0.71 PPG, and this season, in a season where Pettersson has been injured for half the season, Miller has 34 points in 41 games for 0.83 PPG.

 

The only season Miller managed to be at a PPG was when he played the entire year with Pettersson. Pettersson clearly made Miller the better player, not the other way around. But its not about which one makes the other better, they both improve the team when they play together and that's what really matters.

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I remember people freaking out about Lind’s lack of progression in his first full AHL year.  
 

Ryan Johnson was on radio that year talking with Alex Auld and explaining that Lind was overwhelmed with the speed and size of professionals hockey players and instead of folding like a cheap tent just went back home that off-season and got bigger and faster. 
 

Of course there were fans that were livid with the fact that he got scratched in the AHL. 

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Lind dosent look too out of place at all, he’s “reading” the game right now, looking for his opportunity amongst his responsibilities.

He is still growing physically ,  but not afraid to get involved..  could be a Troy Brouwer, David Backes type forward..  perhaps an offensive upside that’s better than that.

Good Luck Cole,  make the Summer Count.

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34 minutes ago, SilentSam said:

Lind dosent look too out of place at all, he’s “reading” the game right now, looking for his opportunity amongst his responsibilities.

He is still growing physically ,  but not afraid to get involved..  could be a Troy Brouwer, David Backes type forward..  perhaps an offensive upside that’s better than that.

Good Luck Cole,  make the Summer Count.

Once we get through the first period, the whole team just starts to look off right now and gassed. Lind is doing pretty well, under the circumstances. He's surrounded by guys who are still recovering and can't sustain energy level for a whole game.

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17 minutes ago, VegasCanuck said:

Once we get through the first period, the whole team just starts to look off right now and gassed. Lind is doing pretty well, under the circumstances. He's surrounded by guys who are still recovering and can't sustain energy level for a whole game.

The wall. The team has hit it.

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11 hours ago, 204CanucksFan said:

Again man, what are you talking about?!? Miller had 72 points, not 76. And saying Miller improved Pettersson’s play because he was 'doing the muscle work on the boards' is a farcical way of looking at these two players complementary playing style. In 2018-19, Pettersson’s rookie season, the only season Pettersson played without Miller, Pettersson put up 66 points in 71 games  for 0.93 PPG.

 

In every season Miller played before arriving in Vancouver, Miller put up 237 points in 435 game for 0.55 PPG. His career best single season before arriving in Vancouver was 58 points in 82 games for 0.71 PPG, and this season, in a season where Pettersson has been injured for half the season, Miller has 34 points in 41 games for 0.83 PPG.

 

The only season Miller managed to be at a PPG was when he played the entire year with Pettersson. Pettersson clearly made Miller the better player, not the other way around. But its not about which one makes the other better, they both improve the team when they play together and that's what really matters.

Nah. Miller finally got to play on a team so bad that he became a first line player - Miller took control of that line. 

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51 minutes ago, Ray_Cathode said:

Nah. Miller finally got to play on a team so bad that he became a first line player - Miller took control of that line. 

So why hasn't he 'taken control of the line' this season. Boeser and Horvat have more points than Miller. Pearson has as many goals as Miller. 

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3 hours ago, VegasCanuck said:

Once we get through the first period, the whole team just starts to look off right now and gassed. Lind is doing pretty well, under the circumstances. He's surrounded by guys who are still recovering and can't sustain energy level for a whole game.

It’s true, this has so very much to do with Covid,  and although I saw the hi light of Green trying to get the last fire out of his team, I think it happened once they got on a plane to travel.

We should not be concerned too much about how this season ends and where we end up,, quite frankly ,  playoffs will kill our squads mentally if they happen to make a first round only to lose.

Im happy to see glimpses of potential in our prospect,.  It’s too bad, but probably got the best that Podz and Tryamkin arrive after this season for Summer training.

Never wanted to see us in the draft lottery again unless it was traded for,  but Owen Powers,.  I’d love to race our 3rd and first up for that no. 1 pick..   it would keep a positive flow in our farm.

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4 hours ago, SilentSam said:

Lind dosent look too out of place at all, he’s “reading” the game right now, looking for his opportunity amongst his responsibilities.

He is still growing physically ,  but not afraid to get involved..  could be a Troy Brouwer, David Backes type forward..  perhaps an offensive upside that’s better than that.

Good Luck Cole,  make the Summer Count.

Kyle Lind Brouwer and Backes comparable??

They were both 6'3 and  210lbs to 220lbs .. 

 

They were big boys and played a big boy game.

 

Lind is under 6'1 under 180lbs and plays nothing like either of those two. 

 

Brouwer and Backes were physical grinding type players. Backes also had quite a bit more skill and offense than Troy Brouwer.

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58 minutes ago, WHL rocks said:

Kyle Lind Brouwer and Backes comparable??

They were both 6'3 and  210lbs to 220lbs .. 

 

They were big boys and played a big boy game.

 

Lind is under 6'1 under 180lbs and plays nothing like either of those two. 

 

Brouwer and Backes were physical grinding type players. Backes also had quite a bit more skill and offense than Troy Brouwer.

I have to agree.  A better potential comparable for Lind from that era would be a Kris Versteeg-type, in my opinion.

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13 hours ago, WHL rocks said:

Kyle Lind Brouwer and Backes comparable??

They were both 6'3 and  210lbs to 220lbs .. 

 

They were big boys and played a big boy game.

 

Lind is under 6'1 under 180lbs and plays nothing like either of those two. 

 

Brouwer and Backes were physical grinding type players. Backes also had quite a bit more skill and offense than Troy Brouwer.

His poise for a young man looks similar.

it’s early rocks,   

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