Jack Rathbone | #3 | D

[J.I.A.H.N]

17 hours ago, GarthButcher5 said:

Ya, we get a bit excited about our shiny new toys but unless Rathbone really does something special and everyone else really stinks it up I see no point in rushing him to the V. Canucks. The left side is full of puck movers and PP specialists so a full year in the AHL would be a big benefit to this youngster right now.

 

I get your point Garth, but question why we are not letting the competition play out in camp.

 

Rathbone and Hughes are 5 months apart in age, and we pretty much let Hughes walk in and play immediately

 

I wonder why Rathbone is not afforded the same curtesy?

 

I could be proven totally wrong, and Quinn could walk into camp an entirely different player.

 

But what I seen in the small example I seen, was that Rathbone was a much better all around player than Hughes.

 

I absolutely hate, when people use favorites to decide who will actually help the team more

 

Last year, Hughes was a NET minus player, which means his offense produced less than his defense cost us

 

If Rathbone walks in and is afforded the same curtesy, and proved a better Net positive, then he deserves to be ahead of Hughes

 

I personally, want to see that competition play out, and Rathbone be given that opportunity , and may the best man win.

 

I will always pick team over player......always!

 

In saying all this, Hughes is a remarkable offensive player, and fun to watch, when he has the puck, and I would hate to see him develop his defense on another team

 

So, Benning has some figuring out to do. Which is incidentally why I had a problem with obtaining OEL

 

But let's see how it all plays out..........................

 

PS.............I totally expect Rathbone to start the season in Abbotsford, because he is waiver exempt

 

No one said life is fair!

 

 

[J.I.A.H.N]

PS.......further to my comments above

 

I am reminded of the time when the Boston Bruins

 

Traded for Brad Park

 

And had Park and Bobby Orr on the same team

 

That was something!

[Dats hockey]

3 hours ago, janisahockeynut said:

 

 

Last year, Hughes was a NET minus player, which means his offense produced less than his defense cost us

 

 

Hot take Hughes isn’t terrible defensively

The Canucks as a Whole are terrible defensively.

[Herberts Vasiljevs]

10 minutes ago, Dats hockey said:

Hot take Hughes isn’t terrible defensively

The Canucks as a Whole are terrible defensively.

I wouldn't consider that a hot take at all. That's more or less reality.

[Canuck Surfer]

7 hours ago, janisahockeynut said:

Why we are not letting the competition play out in camp.

 

Rathbone and Hughes are 5 months apart in age, and we pretty much let Hughes walk in and play immediately

 

I wonder why Rathbone is not afforded the same curtesy?

I personally believe Green will absolutely let it play out in camp.

 

That's been his style. Yes he played Petey, Boeser, Hughes right away. The obvious take; because they were ready? He drip fed Jake, forced lessons & roles on him. Buried Juolevi. We have yet to see but a game from Brisbois. This is Green, who had Dane Fox at Utica his first year. Sent Fox packing to the ECHL his first day in camp because he could not skate & was out of shape.  He is a merit based coach 100%. 

 

Hughes was a top 3 defenseman in the NCAA before he was drafted.  Made the USA men's WC team at 18. Rathbone is good; nowhere near as advanced as when Quinn Hughes ''was gifted'' this role on the Canucks you are speaking of?  I a teasing a bit Jan, but you know what I mean...

 

 

 

Green is also a role based coach.  The role of the 3rd pair LHD, likelihood it will include PK, physical match up situations? Does probably mean Juolevi is more likely to win the 3rd pair role? That will play out. But I also believe if Rathbone outperforms OEL, hell even Hughes, he will get their minutes.  

[Locke Lamora]

Just heard Coach Green on the radio, and as expected he pretty much confirmed the final spot on Defence would likely be an open competition between Rathbone, Juolevi and Hunt. Gonna be fun to watch. 

 

[rizzuto&hatoum]

On 9/2/2021 at 8:33 AM, janisahockeynut said:

PS.......further to my comments above

 

I am reminded of the time when the Boston Bruins

 

Traded for Brad Park

 

And had Park and Bobby Orr on the same team

 

That was something!

Alas, it was only for 10 games or so until Orr got injured, iirc.

[HockeyHarry]

The Canucks Mighty Leftside. Just full of potential.  Canucks need Depth in case of injury (god forbid). Rathbone is better then OJ IMO but Canucks do need this Depth. 

 

Its a really, really hard call for who gets that 3rd spot, Rathbone needs to play in the NHL as does OJ. Rathbone seems like a good fit with the Canucks team players on and off the ice. 

 

Let’s see how the season goes and see where Canucks need too improve the most, in which position, OJ could be the main trading piece for the position. 

 

Cant wait til Camp....Go Canucks Go

 

 

Edited September 5, 2021 by HockeyHarry

[Nuxfanabroad]

59 minutes ago, HockeyHarry said:

The Canucks Mighty Leftside. Just full of potential.  Canucks need Depth in case of injury (god forbid). Rathbone is better then OJ IMO but Canucks do need this Depth. 

 

Its a really, really hard call for who gets that 3rd spot, Rathbone needs to play in the NHL as does OJ. Rathbone seems like a good fit with the Canucks team players on and off the ice. 

 

Let’s see how the season goes and see where Canucks need too improve the most, in which position, OJ could be the main trading piece for the position. 

 

Cant wait til Camp....Go Canucks Go

 

 

Wonder if something around OJ for Romanov might one day be pondered? He prefers playing Rh-side, I believe?

 

Lots of Finn cohorts for OJ in Habs-ville; Romanov could be a good countryman-bud for VP.

[johngould21]

On 9/3/2021 at 8:12 PM, rizzuto&hatoum said:

Alas, it was only for 10 games or so until Orr got injured, iirc.

..and if I recall, one of the first games they were on the ice together, was against the Vancouver Canucks.

[allegend]

Training camp should be really competitive, not just for the sixth defenseman

spot, but also for the 12th forward position. As others have mentioned, depth

is good.

[Fred65]

3 hours ago, Nuxfanabroad said:

Wonder if something around OJ for Romanov might one day be pondered? He prefers playing Rh-side, I believe?

 

Lots of Finn cohorts for OJ in Habs-ville; Romanov could be a good countryman-bud for VP.

RRomanov is going no where, Mtl know they got a future to 4 guy which is not the equivalent to OJ

[KyGuy123]

Saw a pic of him from today or yesterday. He’s looking jacked and will probably be one of the top 5 for player fitness on the team. Maybe even the top. Juolevi has his work cut out for him.

[aGENT]

18 minutes ago, KyGuy123 said:

Saw a pic of him from today or yesterday. He’s looking jacked and will probably be one of the top 5 for player fitness on the team. Maybe even the top. Juolevi has his work cut out for him.

He's a notorious gym rat 

[Locke Lamora]

https://canucksarmy.com/2021/09/12/jack-rathbone-make-canucks-better-team-starting-canucksarmy-prospect-rankings-2/

 

They see it how I see it.

[UFCanuck]

That one year with Ehrhoff was the only time we’ve ever had a qb type dman. Now we have 3 at the same time. our defence is going to be a threat with every pairing.

[hammertime]

On 9/2/2021 at 4:17 PM, Canuck Surfer said:

I personally believe Green will absolutely let it play out in camp.

 

That's been his style. Yes he played Petey, Boeser, Hughes right away. The obvious take; because they were ready? He drip fed Jake, forced lessons & roles on him. Buried Juolevi. We have yet to see but a game from Brisbois. This is Green, who had Dane Fox at Utica his first year. Sent Fox packing to the ECHL his first day in camp because he could not skate & was out of shape.  He is a merit based coach 100%. 

 

Hughes was a top 3 defenseman in the NCAA before he was drafted.  Made the USA men's WC team at 18. Rathbone is good; nowhere near as advanced as when Quinn Hughes ''was gifted'' this role on the Canucks you are speaking of?  I a teasing a bit Jan, but you know what I mean...

 

 

 

Green is also a role based coach.  The role of the 3rd pair LHD, likelihood it will include PK, physical match up situations? Does probably mean Juolevi is more likely to win the 3rd pair role? That will play out. But I also believe if Rathbone outperforms OEL, hell even Hughes, he will get their minutes.  

Dane Fox really Dane fox. He was always ECHL bound. 

[bluesy_shoes]

On 9/2/2021 at 12:09 PM, Dats hockey said:

Hot take Hughes isn’t terrible defensively

The Canucks as a Whole are terrible defensively.

I think in general people have a difficult time analyzing a player's defense; at least much less so than a player's offensive game. People see passing, dekeing, speed, "shiftiness," vision, shooting, puck protection, and really the list goes on for offense. Defensemen are generally identified for mistakes, like losing board battles down low, being weak in front of the net, getting walked on a rush, misplaying a 2 on 1, not getting the puck out of the zone, ect.

 

Truth is Hughes is pretty weak on the boards, is pretty useless in front of the net defending, and if he gets caught by a big forechecker, he will most certainly get blown up. That said, he collects dump ins and evades forecheckers extremely well, he exceptional at holding the offensive zone, at slowing down opposing rushes in the neutral zone with his gap control there and ability to jump back up to intercept passes, at breaking up plays at the blueline with his lateral closing speed and stickwork, and he rarely gets beat 1 on 1 on rushes. There's a reason he matches up well against McDavid and why Green often uses him there. Arguably best backwards skating Dman in the league. He's also incredibly efficient and can log some serious minutes while maintaining a high level of engagement.

 

Also I believe this is why Myers gets so much hate, too. He make a lot of obvious mistakes, and they are OBVIOUS, let me tell you I scream at him. But he is so rangey at the blueline with his size and stick that he slows down and breaks up rushes at the blue line very well, skates exceptionally well for a big man and has closing speed from a standstill to engage on the boards, was blocking shots on the PK like a mad man last season, and is good in front of the net because he is huge, especially for a defenseman who you can trust to carry the puck and deliver some offense as the trailer on the rush and with his shot at the blueline. 

 

Edit: To bring it back to Rathbone, he is definitely much stronger than Hughes where the latter has his weaknesses; board play, physical play, ect. He is a more conventional offensive defenseman, more North-South with a great shot and a good mind in the offensive zone. Definitely need to see more. I don't think he has craftiness of Hughes, i.e. the insane edgework and puck skills, which will always make Hughes one of the best PP QB's in the league for a long, long time. Wouldn't be surprised to see Rathbone as the better 5 on 5 and defensive zone start option, and on a more conventional 2-dman PP2. There is room for both players IMO.

Edited September 13, 2021 by bluesy_shoes

[Locke Lamora]

Although it may already be too late for this, I really don’t want to get the rep that I’m actively rooting against OJ. But in saying that, I’ve yet to see anything with my own eyes that suggests that OJ is significantly better than Rathbone defensively. I believe OJ’s lack of mobility counteracts his bigger size, whereas I think Jack’s tremendous mobility, especially his pivoting against rushing attackers, really helps out his lack of size.

 

In other words I think they are, overall, a wash in their overall defensive games. Both being definite “works in progress” at the NHL level of defending.

 

Less than two weeks to Training Camp and I’m eagerly awaiting word as to what access, if any, the public may have to watch so I can watch these two guys fight for a spot. Got my vaccine passport ready to go if needed!

[Gawdzukes]

On 9/2/2021 at 9:30 AM, janisahockeynut said:

I get your point Garth, but question why we are not letting the competition play out in camp.

 

Rathbone and Hughes are 5 months apart in age, and we pretty much let Hughes walk in and play immediately

 

I wonder why Rathbone is not afforded the same curtesy?

 

I could be proven totally wrong, and Quinn could walk into camp an entirely different player.

 

But what I seen in the small example I seen, was that Rathbone was a much better all around player than Hughes.

 

I absolutely hate, when people use favorites to decide who will actually help the team more

 

Last year, Hughes was a NET minus player, which means his offense produced less than his defense cost us

 

If Rathbone walks in and is afforded the same curtesy, and proved a better Net positive, then he deserves to be ahead of Hughes

 

I personally, want to see that competition play out, and Rathbone be given that opportunity , and may the best man win.

 

I will always pick team over player......always!

 

In saying all this, Hughes is a remarkable offensive player, and fun to watch, when he has the puck, and I would hate to see him develop his defense on another team

 

So, Benning has some figuring out to do. Which is incidentally why I had a problem with obtaining OEL

 

But let's see how it all plays out..........................

 

PS.............I totally expect Rathbone to start the season in Abbotsford, because he is waiver exempt

 

No one said life is fair!

 

 

Hughes was a 7th overall that showed he absolutely belonged on the team both in his year end stint and in his junior career. Rathbone not so much. He has looked good but he's going to have to prove that in camp like Quinn did. He was and will be afforded the exact same curtesy. It's up him him to earn it. Unfortunately he does have much stiffer competition, that's mainly due to Quinn himself as he only had Edler ahead of him, plus Del Zotto and Pouliot for competition. Rathbone has OEL, Quinn, and Juolevi, thus it's fair to say he needs to better than Quinn and has to out perform at camp more so than Quinn did.