Maniwaki Canuck Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 55 minutes ago, AK_19 said: I will say that the takeaway/giveaway stat is one of the worst and inconsistently tracked stats I've seen in hockey, it would be difficult to make conclusions relying on it. I've seen him make considerably more than one giveaway in a game (granted he's been good at getting it back shortly after). Agreed: none of them are particularly consistent in how they're tallied, but some are worse than others. The best of a bad bargain is to take them all into consideration with the eye test. With that said, it's hard to make a case that Rathbone is hurting the team defensively except through pure assertion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-AJ- Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 1 hour ago, AK_19 said: I will say that the takeaway/giveaway stat is one of the worst and inconsistently tracked stats I've seen in hockey, it would be difficult to make conclusions relying on it. I've seen him make considerably more than one giveaway in a game (granted he's been good at getting it back shortly after). I've heard that takeaways are tracked better, but giveaways aren't very reliable. I don't have any evidence or anything, but just something I heard from another dedicated fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vancan2233 Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 Just now, -AJ- said: I've heard that takeaways are tracked better, but giveaways aren't very reliable. I don't have any evidence or anything, but just something I heard from another dedicated fan. All stats could have sub stats. For example with takeaways and giveaways: 1) Board battle two against one, you give the puck up to two attackers. Is really a bad give away? 2) The Ref interferes with your attempt to clear or pass the puck and it bounces to the other team. Is a bad play? If all stats were broken down with more details they would be more telling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 16 minutes ago, -AJ- said: I've heard that takeaways are tracked better, but giveaways aren't very reliable. I don't have any evidence or anything, but just something I heard from another dedicated fan. Sbisa broke the system. /s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vancan2233 Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 Just now, Alflives said: Is it just me or is Rathbone unlike any d man we have seen before. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 Just now, vancan2233 said: Is it just me or is Rathbone unlike any d man we have seen before. He kind of reminds me of a young Paul Reinhardt. Much like Rhino, I think Bone is going to grow into a fantastic 200 foot player. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maniwaki Canuck Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 1 hour ago, Alflives said: He kind of reminds me of a young Paul Reinhardt. Much like Rhino, I think Bone is going to grow into a fantastic 200 foot player. Reinhardt was a C/D combo, like Sergei Fedorov. Rathbone has a bit of that forward mentality in him too. Gonna be a great player for us. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrwipeout Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 Actually im kinda worried about this guy....he had a great training camp but the games ive seen him ply during the regular season hes been sloppy and a step behind on many situations. im hoping he is more of a development project because he needs to get his timing, positioning and pace elevated. maybe then he can make avoid some of the giveaways and can start to make his plays with a better margin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred65 Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 3 minutes ago, Mrwipeout said: Actually im kinda worried about this guy....he had a great training camp but the games ive seen him ply during the regular season hes been sloppy and a step behind on many situations. im hoping he is more of a development project because he needs to get his timing, positioning and pace elevated. maybe then he can make avoid some of the giveaways and can start to make his plays with a better margin. He's far from the finished product IMO, He clearly has faith in his abilities but some times it seems to me his faith is misplaced. He try moves that worked in college but ain't happening in the NHL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johngould21 Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 7 minutes ago, Fred65 said: He's far from the finished product IMO, He clearly has faith in his abilities but some times it seems to me his faith is misplaced. He try moves that worked in college but ain't happening in the NHL Then people wonder why TG doesn't put rookies in the lineup. Boeser, Hughes, EP, Jake, McCann, OJ, it's a far different league than Jr. or College. Luckily enough, Boeser, Hughes, and EP have figured the NHL out and in many ways, there's more to learn. JR and KB were clearly exposed in the Wild game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred65 Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 1 hour ago, johngould21 said: Then people wonder why TG doesn't put rookies in the lineup. Boeser, Hughes, EP, Jake, McCann, OJ, it's a far different league than Jr. or College. Luckily enough, Boeser, Hughes, and EP have figured the NHL out and in many ways, there's more to learn. JR and KB were clearly exposed in the Wild game. Sure, but to be honest most of the roster was exposed in the Minny game. There were more than a few players didn't turn up. If they fail tonight we're in trouble, Philly played last night so it's a back to back for them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-AJ- Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 In my opinion, Rathbone's defensive game needs a lot of sharpening up. He makes some good plays, but too many poor plays for the NHL. Once Hamonic returns, I'd love for him to go to Abbotsford to clean up his overall game. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 18 hours ago, -AJ- said: In my opinion, Rathbone's defensive game needs a lot of sharpening up. He makes some good plays, but too many poor plays for the NHL. Once Hamonic returns, I'd love for him to go to Abbotsford to clean up his overall game. I feel like someone was mentioning this all summer and through training camp... 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 36 minutes ago, aGENT said: I feel like someone was mentioning this all summer and through training camp... No Rathbone on the big team means Ollie would have possibly kept a spot. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Googlie Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 25 minutes ago, gurn said: No Rathbone on the big team means Ollie would have possibly kept a spot. But then where would we be without Lammikko? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 4 hours ago, gurn said: No Rathbone on the big team means Ollie would have possibly kept a spot. 3 hours ago, Googlie said: But then where would we be without Lammikko? I think Juolevi was gone when he didn't show up in shape. Like this is your make or break year and you're FINALLY healthy to actually train all summer... And you come in and lay that turd in the training camp bed?! I've been a big supporter of his, and he still has all the ability in the world to become a good, top 4 D. But if that's your fitness commitment level...? Despite that, we arguably would have been better off with him on the third pair vs Rathbone. But you simply can't reward and condone that lack of commitment. Sends entirely three wrong message to the rest of the team. Both the vets/core trying to make the playoffs and the kids trying to make the team. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred65 Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 I don't know how they swing it but Florida still has OJ on injured reserve, injured or out of shape?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 Rathbone got sent to Abbotsford today. Transaction: #Canucks recall Travis Hamonic from the Abbotsford Canucks. Jack Rathbone has been loaned to Abbotsford. 10:05 AM · Nov 1, 2021 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
73 Percent Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 12 minutes ago, gurn said: Rathbone got sent to Abbotsford today. Transaction: #Canucks recall Travis Hamonic from the Abbotsford Canucks. Jack Rathbone has been loaned to Abbotsford. 10:05 AM · Nov 1, 2021 I approve. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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