Jack Rathbone | #3 | D

[BCNate]

2 hours ago, DownUndaCanuck said:

Let's see how he comes to play next season but right now he's got a top-6 spot on the team. What really impressed me was his stick work and defensive positioning. He's basically made Edler expendable.

If you can get Edler back on a 1 year 1 mill deal, which isn't entirely unreasonable, I think you look to move Juolevi for a similar aged/level RHD. Leaves you with Edler, Hughes, Rathbone and Schmidt as your Left side.  I don't want to see Schmidt in a defensive role on his off hand again.  He needs an offensive role like he played in Vegas, or move back to the left side.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, BCNate said:

If you can get Edler back on a 1 year 1 mill deal, which isn't entirely unreasonable, I think you look to move Juolevi for a similar aged/level RHD. Leaves you with Edler, Hughes, Rathbone and Schmidt as your Left side.  I don't want to see Schmidt in a defensive role on his off hand again.  He needs an offensive role like he played in Vegas, or move back to the left side.

Watching Juolevi turn/pivot was frightening at points this year.  I’ve lost a lot of confidence in him. 

[Dats hockey]

22 minutes ago, VancouverHabitant said:

Watching Juolevi turn/pivot was frightening at points this year.  I’ve lost a lot of confidence in him. 

Wow you put a lot of stock in those words...

from what I seen he played fine in a strange year where he was sat a lot. I for one is confident that he’ll play wel next year

[RichieCanuck]

On 5/12/2021 at 9:20 AM, Harvey Specter said:

 

If he is called upon to represent USA at the World's, that would be another checkmark on his young professional career!

 

Go get 'em Rathbone! 

Edited May 20, 2021 by RichieCanuck
Not going unfortunately.

[Dannydog]

4 hours ago, VancouverHabitant said:

Watching Juolevi turn/pivot was frightening at points this year.  I’ve lost a lot of confidence in him. 

Fred, is that you?

[SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME]

On 5/20/2021 at 4:11 PM, Dannydog said:

Fred, is that you?

Ross Geller?  

 

(Google “Ross Geller,” turn on sound, click the little couch at the top right, enjoy)

[CRAZY_4_NAZZY]

I wonder going forward whether Jack Rathbone can sort of emulate his game like Samuel Girard.

 

The Avs have Cale Makar as their main powerplay, offensive juggernaut on the blueline in him, Girard touted to be the same sort has trended toward quietly developing a very solid defensive game along with his puck moving skills.  Not saying Rathbone forsakes his puck moving, passing, and ability to find offense. But I do wonder what is the longevity of him on this team with already having Quinn Hughes, who like Rathbone is a sub six dman, offensively oriented and already occupies the left side too. I feel Rathbone may not get the same looks he might have expected.

 

Yes can never have enough puck moving dman, but also need them to be good on the defensive side of the ice. TBH I like Rathbone's defensive game a lot more than Quinn Hughes' defensive game already. I feel there is more growth in that area for Rathbone to excel in and carve out a different role, beyond a powerplay specialist.

[theo5789]

5 minutes ago, CRAZY_4_NAZZY said:

I wonder going forward whether Jack Rathbone can sort of emulate his game like Samuel Girard.

 

The Avs have Cale Makar as their main powerplay, offensive juggernaut on the blueline in him, Girard touted to be the same sort has trended toward quietly developing a very solid defensive game along with his puck moving skills.  Not saying Rathbone forsakes his puck moving, passing, and ability to find offense. But I do wonder what is the longevity of him on this team with already having Quinn Hughes, who like Rathbone is a sub six dman, offensively oriented and already occupies the left side too. I feel Rathbone may not get the same looks he might have expected.

 

Yes can never have enough puck moving dman, but also need them to be good on the defensive side of the ice. TBH I like Rathbone's defensive game a lot more than Quinn Hughes' defensive game already. I feel there is more growth in that area for Rathbone to excel in and carve out a different role, beyond a powerplay specialist.

I hope Rathbone can be utilized more in all situations than Hughes. Rathbone's got the shot which hopefully puts him on PP1 still as well. If all goes well, OJ will be the main PK guy with 2nd unit PP time and Rathbone will be 2nd unit PK. Looks like good potential for a balanced LD.

 

But yes, Rathbone is going to need to up his defensive game to stand out as Hughes will be given the majority of the offensive looks.

[stawns]

On 5/20/2021 at 12:04 PM, VancouverHabitant said:

Watching Juolevi turn/pivot was frightening at points this year.  I’ve lost a lot of confidence in him. 

didn't find that at all and it was no less painful than watching fwds brush off Hughes like he was nothing.  

[Fred65]

9 hours ago, stawns said:

didn't find that at all and it was no less painful than watching fwds brush off Hughes like he was nothing.  

neither scenarios are good OJ or QH

[86Viking]

19 hours ago, theo5789 said:

I hope Rathbone can be utilized more in all situations than Hughes. Rathbone's got the shot which hopefully puts him on PP1 still as well. If all goes well, OJ will be the main PK guy with 2nd unit PP time and Rathbone will be 2nd unit PK. Looks like good potential for a balanced LD.

 

But yes, Rathbone is going to need to up his defensive game to stand out as Hughes will be given the majority of the offensive looks.

While that might be true, one thing we can't forget about is the Bone has a quality slap shot...something Hughes does not have. If unit 1 of the PP is a bit dry they might even give Hughes a break and put the Bone on PP1 and get him firing darts from the blue line, shake things up and keep the PK guessing where the puck is going and who might shoot it.

 

I am very curious if we are going to see a whole new look on the PP, if it nearly eliminates that stupid long ass dump pass I will be very happy. That drives me nuts, hey I  am gonna skate the puck up to the blue line where 3 of my teammates are standing then stop and drop it back to the lone guy back...surely that is the best way to go about using your man advantage...have 3-4 guys standing stationary and 1 guy to either dump and chase or cross the blue line and drop it back, quite predictable when the PK has 2 ways your going to go.

[theo5789]

31 minutes ago, Canuckster86 said:

While that might be true, one thing we can't forget about is the Bone has a quality slap shot...something Hughes does not have. If unit 1 of the PP is a bit dry they might even give Hughes a break and put the Bone on PP1 and get him firing darts from the blue line, shake things up and keep the PK guessing where the puck is going and who might shoot it.

 

I am very curious if we are going to see a whole new look on the PP, if it nearly eliminates that stupid long ass dump pass I will be very happy. That drives me nuts, hey I  am gonna skate the puck up to the blue line where 3 of my teammates are standing then stop and drop it back to the lone guy back...surely that is the best way to go about using your man advantage...have 3-4 guys standing stationary and 1 guy to either dump and chase or cross the blue line and drop it back, quite predictable when the PK has 2 ways your going to go.

I don't think the drop pass will be completely eliminated. Almost every team uses it, but some teams execute it way better using actual speed.

 

As for Rathbone, if they are deadset keeping only 1 dman on the PP then yes I can see an occasional shake up with Rathbone there. But I think it'd be more likely that Hughes wouldn't be pulled off, but rather Rathbone will be put on PP1 whether it's full time or occasionally is to be seen. Will depend if Rathbone gets a full time spot next season.

[Fred65]

7 hours ago, Canuckster86 said:

While that might be true, one thing we can't forget about is the Bone has a quality slap shot...something Hughes does not have. If unit 1 of the PP is a bit dry they might even give Hughes a break and put the Bone on PP1 and get him firing darts from the blue line, shake things up and keep the PK guessing where the puck is going and who might shoot it.

 

I am very curious if we are going to see a whole new look on the PP, if it nearly eliminates that stupid long ass dump pass I will be very happy. That drives me nuts, hey I  am gonna skate the puck up to the blue line where 3 of my teammates are standing then stop and drop it back to the lone guy back...surely that is the best way to go about using your man advantage...have 3-4 guys standing stationary and 1 guy to either dump and chase or cross the blue line and drop it back, quite predictable when the PK has 2 ways your going to go.

I'm scared the "who's on top" question ie Hughes Juolevi or Rathbone t comes down to managerial politics

[filthycanuck]

On 5/13/2021 at 10:34 AM, Elias Pettersson said:

Rathbone has a more well rounded game than Hughes.  His shot, defensive awareness and 200' game is at a much higher level than Hughes.  Hughes is more dynamic and flashy, but Rathbone is a better all around defenseman who won't need a defensive partner to shelter him.

Who needs Judd Brackett when we have your insight! Geez, you can tell that from 8 games? Really? Whatever you say buddy, supposedly have watched almost every game of Pavel Bure's and yet your username is Elias Pettersson LOL. Nice try millenial, keep watching those youtube clips, maybe you'll turn in to Jims right hand man

[Guest]

22 hours ago, Fred65 said:

I'm scared the "who's on top" question ie Hughes Juolevi or Rathbone t comes down to managerial politics

What? Why?  
 

Its Green’s call in the end and he’s been excellent in putting people in positions to succeed, especially young players. 

[Fred65]

18 minutes ago, VancouverHabitant said:

What? Why?  
 

Its Green’s call in the end and he’s been excellent in putting people in positions to succeed, especially young players. 

I think Benning and by default TG there's a need to show OJ was not a wasted pick, they're struggling with it, I mean Rafferty got one game to show himself and that ws it, OJ how many chnces does this guy get

[N4ZZY]

13 hours ago, Fred65 said:

I think Benning and by default TG there's a need to show OJ was not a wasted pick, they're struggling with it, I mean Rafferty got one game to show himself and that ws it, OJ how many chnces does this guy get

I think this season is key for Juolevi. He needs a great summer, to come into camp and earn a spot on that backend. Hoping that he’s working on his skating, and keeping healthy and strong for the upcoming training camp in the fall. 

[N4ZZY]

On 6/12/2021 at 6:22 AM, Canuckster86 said:

While that might be true, one thing we can't forget about is the Bone has a quality slap shot...something Hughes does not have. If unit 1 of the PP is a bit dry they might even give Hughes a break and put the Bone on PP1 and get him firing darts from the blue line, shake things up and keep the PK guessing where the puck is going and who might shoot it.

 

I am very curious if we are going to see a whole new look on the PP, if it nearly eliminates that stupid long ass dump pass I will be very happy. That drives me nuts, hey I  am gonna skate the puck up to the blue line where 3 of my teammates are standing then stop and drop it back to the lone guy back...surely that is the best way to go about using your man advantage...have 3-4 guys standing stationary and 1 guy to either dump and chase or cross the blue line and drop it back, quite predictable when the PK has 2 ways your going to go.

Who is our PP coach now? Is it Baumer? Because for the love of hockey - i really hope not. Green’s success or failure is going to be tied to Baumgartner, isn’t it? 

[N4ZZY]

On 6/11/2021 at 1:03 PM, stawns said:

didn't find that at all and it was no less painful than watching fwds brush off Hughes like he was nothing.  

Really need to add more size and grit on the backend. What scares and concerns me is that Hughes and Rathbone don’t strike me as physical players, and obviously they’re smaller than some other defensemen who are larger, more physical, has grit and size. Not saying all of our defensemen should be large, and gritty. We need a variation of defenseman on the backend to compliment one another. Feels like we’re almost too soft, and too small especially if Rathbone makes it onto the top four. That’s Hughes and Rathbone in the top four. So half our top four is undersized? Doesn’t seem like a winning strategy for playoff success if you ask me. 

 

I still remember Vegas ragdolling Hughes. The look on Hughe’s face - like he was going to break down and cry. Felt really bad for the guy. I wonder if the league has the book on Hughes. Is he going to be one of those elite offensively, but struggles defensively kind of player? 

[SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME]

7 hours ago, N4ZZY said:

The look on Hughe’s face - like he was going to break down and cry.

In fairness to Huggy, that’s kind of his resting face.
 

Unless he’s celebrating a play, he just looks miserable pretty much all the time, when he’s on the ice.
 

His facial expressions seem to alternate between looking like he just got dumped by his girlfriend and looking like he’s literally dying out there.

 

EDIT: He’s a confident and positive kid, however, but it just doesn’t tend to show in his facial expressions. Just has one of those faces. Kind of like a sad puppy, unless he’s actually smiling. His body language usually gives a better read on how he’s actually feeling (and you’re right that there were a few times during that series when he looked a bit dejected and/or frustrated).

Edited June 14, 2021 by SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME