canucksnihilist Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 Seems we went off the consensus draft order to get Petterson. what do you think about the preponderance of this management group to draft outside the norm in the first round? 1. Are ok with it - you like the creative approach and don't mind taking risks. That is management group can outsmart everyone else? 2. Are you not ok with it - riskier pick at the top of the draft seem counter intuitive, and probably end up hurting this organization long term - more minds equals a better decision!!!! So consensus is probably better for a reason! Im in camp #2... but I don't mind this pick. I just think we could have taken Petterson at 10 or 15 though.... and we are not using our draft position to our advantage.... we fall in love with some pick and get that pick regardless of where we draft thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RRypien37 Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 Definitely not OK with it. Would've taken Glass at #6, and Ratcliffe/Hague/Robertson in that order at #33. Only pick I am happy with is Gadjovich with the #55. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 Just now, RRypien37 said: Definitely not OK with it. Would've taken Glass at #6, and Ratcliffe/Hague/Robertson in that order at #33. Only pick I am happy with is Gadjovich with the #55. I was shocked a guy like Gadjovich was still there at 55. The kid exudes tough. He's going to be one of those depth third line guys that every good team needs to have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbyg43 Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 4 minutes ago, canucksnihilist said: Seems we went off the consensus draft order to get Petterson. what do you think about the preponderance of this management group to draft outside the norm in the first round? 1. Are ok with it - you like the creative approach and don't mind taking risks. That is management group can outsmart everyone else? 2. Are you not ok with it - riskier pick at the top of the draft seem counter intuitive, and probably end up hurting this organization long term - more minds equals a better decision!!!! So consensus is probably better for a reason! Im in camp #2... but I don't mind this pick. I just think we could have taken Petterson at 10 or 15 though.... and we are not using our draft position to our advantage.... we fall in love with some pick and get that pick regardless of where we draft thoughts? Camp 2 position position is so important as they say . This was strong selling point for JB that he could foresee An pull rabbits out of the hat where other GM's may have overlooked them.I would like to believe that JB finest hour has yet to arrive , but hoping very soon he can materialize this special player we have all been waiting for to replace the ageing Sedins. It may be no fault of his he had to go off board with pick five but just a factor of bad timing , bad or poorer than average draft year An bad luck at entry draft lottery pick .He may have had no recourse with the way things have been trending other than to go outside norms because of mounting timeline pressure to rebuild the future with his picks. I would guess a need for three more years at very least to see the fruition of his works. Hopefully next year he won't have to wander off draft track to spin magic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejazz97 Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 22 minutes ago, canucksnihilist said: Seems we went off the consensus draft order to get Petterson. what do you think about the preponderance of this management group to draft outside the norm in the first round? 1. Are ok with it - you like the creative approach and don't mind taking risks. That is management group can outsmart everyone else? 2. Are you not ok with it - riskier pick at the top of the draft seem counter intuitive, and probably end up hurting this organization long term - more minds equals a better decision!!!! So consensus is probably better for a reason! Im in camp #2... but I don't mind this pick. I just think we could have taken Petterson at 10 or 15 though.... and we are not using our draft position to our advantage.... we fall in love with some pick and get that pick regardless of where we draft thoughts? Definitely Camp 1. A scout has said if Pettersson was 20lbs heavier, he'd have gone #1. I think this is a great pick, not only because he has arguably the highest ceiling in the draft, but because he'll already have chemistry with Dahlén as well. If Pettersson ends up at the YoungStars tourney, can you imagine a Dahlén-Pettersson-Gadjovich line? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beeekz37 Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 I like the idea of getting Petterson because of his chemistry with Dahlen. I also believe we could have traded down to get him, and in the process gained another pick from this or another draft. I really hope these 2 can click again but at the pro level in a few years. Maybe throw Virtanen on the other side. Could be a deadly line in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xereau Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 Seems like a legit pick in accordance with Jim's plan. Multiple synergies. I am looking forwards and not backwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BananaMash Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 He really wasn't that far off the board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 Camp 1. Why bother paying for our own scouts if we just go off the consensus? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qwags Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 Camp 1. This isn't NHL 17 where you can trade down that easily. Benning took both a skilled player and a positional need, what more could we want? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khay Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 To me, the definition of off- the board is like, picking a guy that is ranked at least 10-20 spots back. For example, picking Horvat at 9 when he was 15 among NA skaters (NHL CSS) or picking Scheifele with 7th overall when he was ranked 16 among NA skaters (NHL CSS). Or, picking Patrick White in the first round, now that's going off the board. Picking Juolevi at 5 over Tkachuk is hardly off the board. Picking 2nd highest ranked European skater in Pettersson with the 5th overall pick also is not going off the board. Similarly, picking Virtanen with 6th overall when he is ranked 6th among the NA skaters is not going off the board. So I disagree with the assumption behind your question that this management goes off the board. However, if my team goes off the board so much, and continues to draft Patrick White's, then I'd be in camp 2. But if they draft Horvats or Scheifele's then, why not be in camp 1? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Building Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 What consensus? The consensus where between the 3rd and 10th-ish pick few professional scouts could actually agree on BPA? Or the CDC consensus where since his frame is less NHL ready than some prospects selected after him then he must have been genetically pre-selected for failure with the Canucks? What makes you think Petersson, the highest ranked European skater according to NHL.com, would still have been there at 10-15? Continue with the witch hunt though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 Yes, considering that this year outside of 1 & 2 there really wasn't a "board". Glass = Bo. EP = maybe Nylander? maybe better? its worth the risk. Jim also did really well with Lind and Gadjovich. It also seems to be the "friendship" draft. We got Dahlen's friend in EP. Gadjovich and Palmu are best friends. Demko and Rathbone are buddies. Lind needs a buddy and we're set. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 1 minute ago, Green Building said: What consensus? The consensus where between the 3rd and 10th-ish pick few professional scouts could actually agree on BPA? Or the CDC consensus where since his frame is less NHL ready than some prospects selected after him then he must have been genetically pre-selected for failure with the Canucks? What makes you think Petersson, the highest ranked European skater according to NHL.com, would still have been there at 10-15? Continue with the witch hunt though. This whole board has gone insane. After the 1st 2 picks there was no general consensus, like you said. Pettersson would have been a perfectly reasonable pick at 3. He was drafted maybe one or 2 spots higher than what little consensus there was pegged him, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedinyoureyesontheprize Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 46 minutes ago, canucksnihilist said: Seems we went off the consensus draft order to get Petterson. what do you think about the preponderance of this management group to draft outside the norm in the first round? 1. Are ok with it - you like the creative approach and don't mind taking risks. That is management group can outsmart everyone else? 2. Are you not ok with it - riskier pick at the top of the draft seem counter intuitive, and probably end up hurting this organization long term - more minds equals a better decision!!!! So consensus is probably better for a reason! Im in camp #2... but I don't mind this pick. I just think we could have taken Petterson at 10 or 15 though.... and we are not using our draft position to our advantage.... we fall in love with some pick and get that pick regardless of where we draft thoughts? My thoughts?? You have no clue what you are talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRAZY_4_NAZZY Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 TSN 1040 had an interview with several insiders saying that the whisper was that if Pettersson had 20 pounds more to his frame, he would easily contend against Nolan Patrick and Nico Hischier, and teams would have even have him as high as number 2 in the draft. Shows how good Elias Pettersson is. Needs to fill out no doubt, but he will. Consensus was like many others said, after Patrick and Hischier, anyone could be there. Not sure why some people are busting their chops because we didn't take the media's/CDC's consensus pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucksnihilist Posted June 25, 2017 Author Share Posted June 25, 2017 32 minutes ago, thejazz97 said: Definitely Camp 1. A scout has said if Pettersson was 20lbs heavier, he'd have gone #1. I think this is a great pick, not only because he has arguably the highest ceiling in the draft, but because he'll already have chemistry with Dahlén as well. If Pettersson ends up at the YoungStars tourney, can you imagine a Dahlén-Pettersson-Gadjovich line? I hope you are right! Would be awesome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucksnihilist Posted June 25, 2017 Author Share Posted June 25, 2017 11 minutes ago, Setyoureyesontheprize said: My thoughts?? You have no clue what you are talking about. Thanks for not contributing the nothingness of your reply is awesome though haha! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rush17 Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 There was no consensus after the top 4. Pettersson is legit. Jim is a pro scout. Kid exudes talent. Easy decision. Future captain potentially if Bo doesn't steal it first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucksnihilist Posted June 25, 2017 Author Share Posted June 25, 2017 2 minutes ago, Rush17 said: There was no consensus after the top 4. Pettersson is legit. Jim is a pro scout. Kid exudes talent. Easy decision. Future captain potentially if Bo doesn't steal it first. All good - but percentages are what we have now.... I agree there is no sure thing, but there was concensus key philosophical question: do more minds equal truth? Does collaboration increase truthfulness? i say yes. all good though, thanks for your input! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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