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[Rumour] Nail Yakupov has interest signing with Canucks


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2 hours ago, shayster007 said:

Waste of a spot? Sam's 50 points would have put him tied with Hank as our second leading scorer, only surpassed by Bo. While I don't want him either, to say a team who placed 2nd last in scoring would be wasting a spot on a 50 point player is silly. 

Yeah, lots of silly things in Canuck land that's why they are 2nd to last.

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17 hours ago, Jester13 said:

His comments are hilarious, but I wish more peeps on here who want Nail would listen to Ray's critique of the, arguably, biggest #1 bust of all time. 

 

People keep saying that signing him is no risk, but the no risk groupies are only refering to assets and are missing the large risk to morale of the team and other players who might have their spot taken by a project player. There is lots of risk involved in signing him.

 

I, for one, would rather us stay away from these types of situations and prevent the chance of a media frenzy and distraction when things start going sour, because things will go sour eventually. Imagine the Vancouver media with Yak... oh, jeebus.

 

One person has criticized Yakupov's skating and you know who else didn't have good skating? Horvat. You know who improved his skating? Horvat. You know what can be improved upon? Skating. Also if you may have forgotten there's literally dozens if not hundreds of hockey experts and though I do think Ferraro is one of the best that doesn't mean he's always right and that doesn't mean even if he is correct that Yakupov's skating can't improve. You're closing the door on a potential superstar because of his skating. That's like saying no to a new job because of what the office looks like.

 

And you no way hose hombres seem to forget that Yakupov can be traded, waived or sent to Utica if he doesn't beat our prospects to the position. Benning and Green have made clear players need to earn their spots. So if he does surpass our prospects and gets the job that means they didn't deserve the spot. Since you want no one to gift Yakupov a spot then wouldn't you want all players to earn their spots? Or is it just Yakupov that can't in your mind?

 

"Let's not a get a player because the media will do exactly what it does to every player when they're in a slump or not pulling their weight". Are you seriously trying to argue that we should put the feelings and thoughts of the media before our own damn hockey team? Who the f*** cares what the media think? I don't even know how to respond to that argument.

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17 hours ago, Rob_Zepp said:

Passing up a player no one else seemingly wants is nuts?   Ok.

 

You may have missed the part of reports where multiple NHL teams have called his agent, but don't let reality blind your agenda.

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3 minutes ago, Mattrek said:

 

One person has criticized Yakupov's skating and you know who else didn't have good skating? Horvat. You know who improved his skating? Horvat. You know what can be improved upon? Skating. Also if you may have forgotten there's literally dozens if not hundreds of hockey experts and though I do think Ferraro is one of the best that doesn't mean he's always right and that doesn't mean even if he is correct that Yakupov's skating can't improve. You're closing the door on a potential superstar because of his skating. That's like saying no to a new job because of what the office looks like.

 

And you no way hose hombres seem to forget that Yakupov can be traded, waived or sent to Utica if he doesn't beat our prospects to the position. Benning and Green have made clear players need to earn their spots. So if he does surpass our prospects and gets the job that means they didn't deserve the spot. Since you want no one to gift Yakupov a spot then wouldn't you want all players to earn their spots? Or is it just Yakupov that can't in your mind?

 

"Let's not a get a player because the media will do exactly what it does to every player when they're in a slump or not pulling their weight". Are you seriously trying to argue that we should put the feelings and thoughts of the media before our own damn hockey team? Who the f*** cares what the media think? I don't even know how to respond to that argument.

always nice when someone posts exactly what I was thinking 

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10 minutes ago, Hectic said:

always nice when someone posts exactly what I was thinking 

 

I mean it's ridiculous. There is no downside. If he flops we trade him, waive him or send him to Utica. If he flourishes that means he's earned his spot. For a measly 2m (likely much lower, but I'll go on the high end to be conservative) we could potentially get a top 3 guy if he works on a few areas. I mean hello! Saying no to that is like saying no to a 1 in 4 chance to win a million bucks because you might lose. I'm gobsmacked some people don't want to give him a try.

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4 hours ago, Mattrek said:

 

One person has criticized Yakupov's skating and you know who else didn't have good skating? Horvat. You know who improved his skating? Horvat. You know what can be improved upon? Skating. Also if you may have forgotten there's literally dozens if not hundreds of hockey experts and though I do think Ferraro is one of the best that doesn't mean he's always right and that doesn't mean even if he is correct that Yakupov's skating can't improve. You're closing the door on a potential superstar because of his skating. That's like saying no to a new job because of what the office looks like.

 

And you no way hose hombres seem to forget that Yakupov can be traded, waived or sent to Utica if he doesn't beat our prospects to the position. Benning and Green have made clear players need to earn their spots. So if he does surpass our prospects and gets the job that means they didn't deserve the spot. Since you want no one to gift Yakupov a spot then wouldn't you want all players to earn their spots? Or is it just Yakupov that can't in your mind?

 

"Let's not a get a player because the media will do exactly what it does to every player when they're in a slump or not pulling their weight". Are you seriously trying to argue that we should put the feelings and thoughts of the media before our own damn hockey team? Who the f*** cares what the media think? I don't even know how to respond to that argument.

Judging by how you're only responding to Ferraro's comments about Yak's skating, which is what the original poster I quoted was laughing about, you likely didn't listen to the radio interview in full. Ferraro also says yak doesn't process the game well, so there is more than just skating that is the concern. 

 

And listen, never once have I said that there's no chance Yak could suddenly reach his "superstar" potential; I just think it's highly unlikely and not worth the attempt for our organization. 

 

And yes, I think our ridiculous media is a valid concern when thinking about bringing on a reclamation project with lots of baggage like Yak, and I think many will agree with me on this point. I would rather we don't have the distraction of a media frenzy surrounding him when he begins to struggle; we already have our hometown boy Jake to deal with - we don't need another whipping boy so soon when our team is trying to rebuild and build chemistry together while still being so young and impressionable. And we have enough players as is.

 

Lastly, if I've been offered a job at an office that looks like it has issues - and I know that other professionals have worked there and left previously because there were, in fact, issues - it probably does have serious issues and I don't want to work there. I don't just take a job for the sake of taking a job. I have standards. 

 

Addition: fwiw, will I be super upset if we sign him? No. Will I hope he does work out if we do? Of course. I'd just rather we leave it be.

 

But I definitely won't be bent out of shape like some posters on here who really want him would be if we don't sign him.

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30 minutes ago, Jester13 said:

Judging by how you're only responding to Ferraro's comments about Yak's skating, which is what the original poster I quoted was laughing about, you likely didn't listen to the radio interview in full. Ferraro also says yak doesn't process the game well, so there is more than just skating that is the concern. 

 

And listen, never once have I said that there's no chance Yak could suddenly reach his "superstar" potential; I just think it's highly unlikely and not worth the attempt for our organization. 

 

And yes, I think our ridiculous media is a valid concern when thinking about bringing on a reclamation project with lots of baggage like Yak, and I think many will agree with me on this point. I would rather we don't have the distraction of a media frenzy surrounding him when he begins to struggle; we already have our hometown boy Jake to deal with - we don't need another whipping boy so soon when our team is trying to rebuild and build chemistry together while still being so young and impressionable. And we have enough players as is.

 

Lastly, if I've been offered a job at an office that looks like it has issues - and I know that other professionals have worked there and left previously because there were, in fact, issues - it probably does have serious issues and I don't want to work there. I don't just take a job for the sake of taking a job. I have standards. 

 

Addition: fwiw, will I be super upset if we sign him? No. Will I hope he does work out if we do? Of course. I'd just rather we leave it be.

 

But I definitely won't be bent out of shape like some posters on here who really want him would be if we don't sign him.

Hey, maybe yak would take some of the heat of Jake! That could be reason to sign him right there! :lol:

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45 minutes ago, Jester13 said:

Judging by how you're only responding to Ferraro's comments about Yak's skating, which is what the original poster I quoted was laughing about, you likely didn't listen to the radio interview in full. Ferraro also says yak doesn't process the game well, so there is more than just skating that is the concern. 

 

And listen, never once have I said that there's no chance Yak could suddenly reach his "superstar" potential; I just think it's highly unlikely and not worth the attempt for our organization. 

 

And yes, I think our ridiculous media is a valid concern when thinking about bringing on a reclamation project with lots of baggage like Yak, and I think many will agree with me on this point. I would rather we don't have the distraction of a media frenzy surrounding him when he begins to struggle; we already have our hometown boy Jake to deal with - we don't need another whipping boy so soon when our team is trying to rebuild and build chemistry together while still being so young and impressionable. And we have enough players as is.

 

Lastly, if I've been offered a job at an office that looks like it has issues - and I know that other professionals have worked there and left previously because there were, in fact, issues - it probably does have serious issues and I don't want to work there. I don't just take a job for the sake of taking a job. I have standards. 

 

Addition: fwiw, will I be super upset if we sign him? No. Will I hope he does work out if we do? Of course. I'd just rather we leave it be.

 

But I definitely won't be bent out of shape like some posters on here who really want him would be if we don't sign him.

 

I was responding to what was written, not sure what else you're supposed to do on a message board? He posted how Ferraro thinks he has bad skating so we shouldn't take him. I posted points refuting why that argument doesn't make sense. Had he posted about different parts of the interview I would have responded.

 

My listening to said interview does not change any of the parameters involved in potentially bringing Yakupov here, which is no risk, high reward. It's still one person's opinion and you know who thought Horvat struggled? Hockey experts. You know who improved? Horvat. You know who changed their mind about Horvat? Hockey experts. Treating one man's opinion as how a player will always be is ludicrous.

 

How is he not worth the attempt? Let me ask you: Was Baertschi worth it? Was Granlund worth it? If the answers are yes why the hell not go for a third? Is it likely? No, I'm not under any delusions here, but if any one person can get him back on track it's Travis Greene while he plays for his childhood dream team. He's only 23, he's still got time to make it.

 

So again you're arguing because the media is the media and turns every little thing about our players into a big deal already we shouldn't bring in another player with superstar potential. That makes no sense at all. It already happens, it will happen next season and it will happen every season after that. The media's job is to generate clicks and negativity sells.

 

That's just not real life then. No one would turn down a good job because the office looks weird and previous people didn't like it there. What would actually happen is you'd agree to take said job and be cautious knowing what former friends have said. One of two things will then happen: either they turn out to be right and you end up quitting or you find they were wrong and you stay there for a long time. No risk, high reward as I said before.

 

Not taking a chance on a former 1st OA draft pick while not having to give up any assets to acquire him deserves criticism.

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17 hours ago, shayster007 said:

Waste of a spot? Sam's 50 points would have put him tied with Hank as our second leading scorer, only surpassed by Bo. While I don't want him either, to say a team who placed 2nd last in scoring would be wasting a spot on a 50 point player is silly. 

The problem with signing Gagner is that you would be buying high.

 

He just had a great season, after barely sticking in the NHL for years.  There is every reson to believe he won't replicate it and you will be stuck paying UFA 50 point guy prices for someone who is producing half that.

 

At out stage it should be buying low on guys and seeing if we can get a bargain or create an asset.

 

Yskupov fits that.  Hartnell does too in a different way.  We could offer Hartnell a 1year deal and maybe trade him at the deadline.  For half a season he is a veteran with some grit to shield the kids a little.

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1 hour ago, Mattrek said:

 

I was responding to what was written, not sure what else you're supposed to do on a message board? He posted how Ferraro thinks he has bad skating so we shouldn't take him. I posted points refuting why that argument doesn't make sense. Had he posted about different parts of the interview I would have responded.

 

My listening to said interview does not change any of the parameters involved in potentially bringing Yakupov here, which is no risk, high reward. It's still one person's opinion and you know who thought Horvat struggled? Hockey experts. You know who improved? Horvat. You know who changed their mind about Horvat? Hockey experts. Treating one man's opinion as how a player will always be is ludicrous.

 

How is he not worth the attempt? Let me ask you: Was Baertschi worth it? Was Granlund worth it? If the answers are yes why the hell not go for a third? Is it likely? No, I'm not under any delusions here, but if any one person can get him back on track it's Travis Greene while he plays for his childhood dream team. He's only 23, he's still got time to make it.

 

So again you're arguing because the media is the media and turns every little thing about our players into a big deal already we shouldn't bring in another player with superstar potential. That makes no sense at all. It already happens, it will happen next season and it will happen every season after that. The media's job is to generate clicks and negativity sells.

 

That's just not real life then. No one would turn down a good job because the office looks weird and previous people didn't like it there. What would actually happen is you'd agree to take said job and be cautious knowing what former friends have said. One of two things will then happen: either they turn out to be right and you end up quitting or you find they were wrong and you stay there for a long time. No risk, high reward as I said before.

 

Not taking a chance on a former 1st OA draft pick while not having to give up any assets to acquire him deserves criticism.

The difference between Baer and Granny to Yakapov is that the former players weren't really given fair shots while the latter has been given multiple shots with multiple teams. The former have also proven they can learn from their mistakes. 

 

The issue with Yak is that he has more issues than just skating; it's also how he processes the game, which is arguably the hardest thing to teach someone. And he wants to score and seemingly do not much else, and today's game demands more than that from players. 

 

Granted, there is no risk to losing assets to signing him, but there is risk to signing him nonetheless. There is risk to creating a distraction towards the team, him taking a spot over someone else, his attitude potentially affecting/infecting other players, etc. This should not be ignored.

 

And, although I agree that Horvat showed skating can be improved, the number of examples of players who couldn't improve their skating like Horvat is abundant. 

 

Sure, let's stick to the office analogy... true story: My wife is right now being offered multiple jobs with a handful of offices. She is deciding between which office is the best fit for her because she has the luxury of doing so. She has said no to one in particular because the place is outdated and not taken care of, which says a lot about the place and how the owner takes care of their company and where their values are at. She is going to instead accept a position with the place that has new equipment and a good attitude and culture towards customer and employee care. The moral of the story is you don't have to accept a job just because it's available and it used to be the best company around when it opened; especially when there are better places to work.

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2 minutes ago, Jester13 said:

The issue with Yak is that he has more issues than just skating; it's also how he processes the game, which is arguably the hardest thing to teach someone. And he wants to score and seemingly do not much else, and today's game demands more than that from players. 

This.  He has reasonable skating ability, and his top speed is actually quite good.  It is just that he doesn't always play that hard which makes it look like he doesn't have good speed.

But you hit the Nail on the head - he just can't think the game quick enough.  In fact, I feel he is like Virtanen with an even better skillset but less size.  Without that hockey IQ and the ability to anticipate the play, opportunities just don't present themselves as frequently.

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