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[Rumour] Nail Yakupov has interest signing with Canucks


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I think his problem is his low hockey IQ.  I remember those coffee table geniuses at HNIC sitting around talking about him during a broadcast where they showed multiple clips  of him where he just put his head down and didnt realize there was an open man he could pass  to time after time.  The kid is fast, has a pretty good shot, but can he process the game at high speed?  Maybe its worth taking a chance on.

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4 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said:

We don't need him and honestly this will likely be his last year in the nhl. The individual you quoted said 3 million per, wtf?? That's crazy!!

It's not so much a matter of need as it is an asset opportunity imo.

 

There is no harm in bringing Yakupov in at less than a million/pto, and if the team faces injuries or Yakupov finally breaks a threshold then perhaps you have something.....otherwise, you waive him at the end of preseason/release him.

 

I agree that they don't "need" him - and I think people are tending to underestimate the quality of young depth the team has emerging - but nevertheless, there really is no harm in giving him a look in the offseason and preseason.  It just adds competition, and could either give the team a serviceable skilled forward, or build the confidence of other guys if they beat him out for a position.

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34 minutes ago, oldnews said:

Baertschi Horvat Boeser

Sedin Sedin Granlund

Eriksson Sutter Virtanen/Goldobin

Gaunce Chaput Dorsett

 

(Molino, Cram, Boucher, Megna....)

 

I think Baer has to be moved as part of a trade for it to make sense to bring on another winger. I like Baer but I don't think he's going to stay in our top 6. if he does is usual slow start, someone will beat him out for the job. Nail isn't a bottom 6 guy, he'll never be that so why put him there? I don't see Loui doing any better with Sutter this year than last year either and really think he needs to play with Bo to be successful next year. And yah, this is the year to break up the twins 5 on 5. 

 

Loui Horvat Boeser

Goldy H Sedin Virtanen/Yakupov

Sedin Sutter Granlund

Gaunce - Free Agent actual 4C - Dorsett

 

would be a lot more fun to watch. I see the battle here being between Virtanen and Yakupov more than other players, and if Green is willing to break up the twins 5 on 5 then we really don't even need to sign Yakupov imo, we'll have more home grown options to try out. 

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5 minutes ago, Lancaster said:

Just from an age perspective, he's just 23 and will be entering his prime years soon.  He obviously has skills and is not completely unable to play in the NHL.  

Perhaps some better training, a better leadership group and a more communicative coaching staff may be what turns his career around.  

 

A cheap sub-2 million/year deal with maybe 1 or 2 years seems very fair.  

Bo's attitude and character I feel would rub off on his nicely.  He could become Bo's best friend in 3 or 4 years time. :) for that reason alone he should be our guy! Lol.

 

 

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Worth doing,

 

sign Yak, Weal and Boucher. Let our Utica actually have depth for callups and like them stew in the minor system where they can succeed

 

Sedin - Sedin - Yakupov

Baertschi - Horvat - Boeser

Granlund - Sutter - Erickson

Gaunce - Weal - Dorsett

Boucher / Molino

 

You can always just waive the guy that loses out at camp / pre-season

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2 minutes ago, S'all Good Man said:

I think Baer has to be moved as part of a trade for it to make sense to bring on another winger. I like Baer but I don't think he's going to stay in our top 6. if he does is usual slow start, someone will beat him out for the job. Nail isn't a bottom 6 guy, he'll never be that so why put him there? I don't see Loui doing any better with Sutter this year than last year either and really think he needs to play with Bo to be successful next year. And yah, this is the year to break up the twins 5 on 5. 

 

Loui Horvat Boeser

Goldy H Sedin Virtanen/Yakupov

Sedin Sutter Granlund

Gaunce - Free Agent actual 4C - Dorsett

 

would be a lot more fun to watch. I see the battle here being between Virtanen and Yakupov more than other players, and if Green is willing to break up the twins 5 on 5 then we really don't even need to sign Yakupov imo, we'll have more home grown options to try out. 

The answer is simple. Replace the 4th line with a 2nd 3rd line :) 

Baer - Horvat - Boeser

Sedin - Sedin - Eriksson

Dahlen/Yakapov - Granlund - Goldie
Virtanen - Sutter - Dorsett

 

If dahlen and yak are impossible to demote send jake down or sit out dorsett.  I personally think granlund/Virtanen are a great combo. we saw that 2 years ago down the stretch they got some chemistry.  You could plop Eriksson with horvat and boeser and slide baer down with granny and goldie.  that be a sick line

 

Eriksson - Horvat - Boeser

Sedin - Sedin - Goldie

Baer - Granlund - Virtanen

Dahlen - Sutter - Dorsett

 

Just because Sutter would be on the 4th line doesn't make him a 4th line player.  Instead we would have 4 2nd lines :)

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1 minute ago, Rush17 said:

Bo's attitude and character I feel would rub off on his nicely.  He could become Bo's best friend in 3 or 4 years time. :) for that reason alone he should be our guy! Lol.

 

 

Yep.  Lots of meat and potatoes on the Canucks currently.  Guys like Horvat is the prime example.  Skilled guys like Baertschi and Granlund has bought into the program as well.  Even a guy like Gaunce who was drafted the same year as Yakupov is proof that if you put in the hard work and attitude, you can stick in the NHL.  

Then there's the Sedins who are still around who were also high drafted and touted prospects, who struggled a lot in their first 4-5 years, who eventually changed their training regimen, strove to be true professionals (IIRC, the Sedins used to say their off-season training basically consistent of them just playing soccer all summer).... eventually becoming the top respected and offensive players in the NHL.  

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2 minutes ago, Darius71 said:

I think his problem is his low hockey IQ.  I remember those coffee table geniuses at HNIC sitting around talking about him during a broadcast where they showed multiple clips  of him where he just put his head down and didnt realize there was an open man he could pass  to time after time.  The kid is fast, has a pretty good shot, but can he process the game at high speed?  Maybe its worth taking a chance on.

If you look at his game - there is definitely that vacancy there.  However, I'd be hesitant to boil it down to 'IQ'.  Sometimes it's a matter of confidence, comfort, familiarity, habit, practice, coaching - engagement.  There is the possibility that he's just not that bright / lacks awareness - but there's also the possibility that a lot of his symptoms have been situational and that he just never got the kind of footing / confidence / coaching / chemistry he needs.  That kind of thing can snowball when you're young and unproven - and the player tries too hard to justify their pedigree/contract etc - feels and puts a lot of pressure on themself, and the result can be bigger blinders..  Who knows?  Probably a few of his coaches and linemates have a pretty good idea, but it doesn't hurt to give the guy a low risk shot to prove himself imo.

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Yakupov may be worth a look for a short term one year show me what you've got type of contract. If there is nothing by Christmas then waive him to Utica.

 

If he can show that he can contribute prior to free agency next year then look for some term (2-3 years) to keep him in the fold.

 

Most UFA's want term and dollars but Yakupov should realize he is not in a position to really demand much of anything. If he is too demanding then the Canucks can look elsewhere.

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People knocking him haven't paid much attention to the level of player he would be pushing out of our line up.

 

Him hitting 15 goals and/or 30 points is perfectly reasonable and a good signing if you just forget his draft position.  Adding some speed to a Sutter line as the guy who gets less minutes because he sits while the other two play the PK seems like a good role.

 

Of course Larionov will say his player is interested and what do we have to lose at the right price?

 

The one benefit of sucking so bad is reclamation projects see it as an opportunity to get more minutes than on better teams.

 

Folin from the Wild is another good bet to sign for cheap.

 

 

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11 minutes ago, oldnews said:

If you look at his game - there is definitely that vacancy there.  However, I'd be hesitant to boil it down to 'IQ'.  Sometimes it's a matter of confidence, comfort, familiarity, habit, practice, coaching - engagement.  There is the possibility that he's just not that bright / lacks awareness - but there's also the possibility that a lot of his symptoms have been situational and that he just never got the kind of footing / confidence / coaching / chemistry he needs.  That kind of thing can snowball when you're young and unproven - and the player tries too hard to justify their pedigree/contract etc - feels and puts a lot of pressure on themself, and the result can be bigger blinders..  Who knows?  Probably a few of his coaches and linemates have a pretty good idea, but it doesn't hurt to give the guy a low risk shot to prove himself imo.

True enough, OldNews.  I was debating on whether to change my wording in my statement above as "Low IQ" sounds a little harsh.  I completely agree with what you have written here.  Part of it may be that his confidence was crushed playing on that piss poor team for so long.  Its probably worth taking a risk on. What do they have to lose at this point...another poster made a good point too, if they have him in the lineup they can keep some borderline NHL calibre players down in utica where they belong. Getting that team on a winning track is very important to this whole rebuild.

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What's the worst that could happen?

 

Worst case scenario is that he stinks up the joint, and our already sucky teams sucks a little more (and increases our lottery chances for next years draft that much more). 

 

Best case scenario, although a looooong shot, is that he regains what it was he lost and turns his game around.

 

For the tiny contract he'd likely agree to, it's worth the risk.

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2yr 2.5m total

 

Reason, if he does decent he is signed cheap for an additional year.

 

If he sucks we waive him if he clears great, depth for our farm team if he gets claimed it was an experiment that didnt pan out.

 

Yakupov>megna by a mile.

 

Yak has skill and potential to be a 20-25g guy. He wont carry or lead the team but could be a complimentary guy.

 

I say we should be all over this 23yr skilled ufa. Little risk medium to low reward.

 

What does this team have to lose.....absoluetley Nothing!

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I'd take a chance too, but at this point in the guy's career he has to know it would be waaayyy down in the 1m/year mark.  I find it highly unlikely he will find his game again, but at that price the risk is well worth a potential reward.

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17 minutes ago, S'all Good Man said:

I think Baer has to be moved as part of a trade for it to make sense to bring on another winger. I like Baer but I don't think he's going to stay in our top 6. if he does is usual slow start, someone will beat him out for the job. Nail isn't a bottom 6 guy, he'll never be that so why put him there? I don't see Loui doing any better with Sutter this year than last year either and really think he needs to play with Bo to be successful next year. And yah, this is the year to break up the twins 5 on 5. 

 

Loui Horvat Boeser

Goldy H Sedin Virtanen/Yakupov

Sedin Sutter Granlund

Gaunce - Free Agent actual 4C - Dorsett

 

would be a lot more fun to watch. I see the battle here being between Virtanen and Yakupov more than other players, and if Green is willing to break up the twins 5 on 5 then we really don't even need to sign Yakupov imo, we'll have more home grown options to try out. 

I don't think you move Baertschi simply because you've brought in a show-me depth option as you do in any camp - that's something you only do in due course if Yakupov or others command a spot.

I'm not going to debate the idea of splitting up the Sedins here except to say that I wouldn't - I'd leave the other emerging lines to develop together.

 

I'm not opposed to signing and bringing in another depth/fourth line center - I propose it every year and have suggested targetting John Mitchell this time around - a good defensive, two way, gritty bottom six that is an excellent faceoff guy and will have something to prove / probably come at a reasonable price.

 

But I also think you''re not showing Chaput any respect in suggesting he's not an "actual 4C".   The guy performed very well with a shallow group - very good underlying numbers and very strong in the faceoff circle (52.7%) for a guy with higher D then Ozone starts.  Chaput imo proved that he's a worthy NHL 4C - and under better circumstances and with that year under his belt, there's nothing to say he's not a good 4C at the NHL level.

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Just now, HI5 said:

Since we're not going to make playoffs next year. Lets play him with the Sedins and inflate his numbers, than flip em at the deadline. 

I'm not sure that would inflate any of their numbers.  In probably 80% of situations it would be a bad fit imo.

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1 hour ago, Adarsh Sant said:

I put this in the Canucks Free Agency thread but I guess this deserves it's own thread cuz 1st overall pick and all.

 

If he signs for under 2 mil, sure why not

He was traded for a 3rd rounder and then not even qualified by his team.  Who in their right mind would pay more than 2M$ for him?

 

IMO if he signs, it will be a 1 years - 1M$-1.25M$ show me what you got deal.

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