canuckmen84 Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 Ryan Johansen or Viktor Arvidsson Both players are RFA's and both are Elite . Johansen would be my first choice and it's realy a no brainer why, Elite Center and a BC Boy to boot. The only problem i can see is the Preds do have the cap space to match most offers and they probably would but you never know. What i'm hearing is they want to sign Johansen for 7 mil/yr and Arvidsson for 5 mil/yr. They are both so important to Nashville but maybe a big offer could steer them away from one of them. So that being said what would it take to pry one of these guys and who would you choose to offer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 We are going to be a lottery team next year, with a good chance at picking one of the big 4. Any offer where they even consider not matching Johansen is going to cost two firsts, a second and third-round picks. Arvidsson would cost a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd. No way should we even consider paying that kind of price in the position we're in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HerrDrFunk Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 59 minutes ago, King Heffy said: We are going to be a lottery team next year, with a good chance at picking one of the big 4. Any offer where they even consider not matching Johansen is going to cost two firsts, a second and third-round picks. Arvidsson would cost a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd. No way should we even consider paying that kind of price in the position we're in. Yeah. Unless the answer to the question "does this player make us a playoff team?" is "yes", I'd stay the hell away from offer sheets...even if they would be fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goalie13 Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 1 hour ago, canuckmen84 said: So that being said what would it take to pry one of these guys and who would you choose to offer? It would take more than I would be willing to pay for a single player. They matched for Weber. Why would they not do the same? I have never figured out the obsession with trying to sign away an RFA. Where has that ever worked out for anyone other than the player? I blame video games. They make it look so easy. I have always said, if you want to get an RFA so bad, trade for them. And while I am at it, 'offer sheet' is not a verb. You can't just throw an offer sheet at a player. He has to want to sign it. How many elite (or even above average) players are going to want to sign with one of the worst teams in the league? I'm guessing they will have other offers. And I'm guessing they will be able to get the money they are after, or at least close to it, with the Predators. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cripplereh Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 why bother??? If we get them then we get worse by giving up pieces,makes no sense at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownUndaCanuck Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 We were the 3rd worst team in the league last season, and have now lost Miller, Tryamkin and Sbisa. Our young forwards get a bit better, our veterans get a lot worse. Our young D get a lot better, our veteran defencemen get a fair bit worse. On the whole I'll be surprised if we manage to be as good as we were last season. No big pushes for the playoffs or throwing picks away for the next 2-3 years, this team just has to try and be competitive and face the fact that they'll have a bottom 5 finish for the next couple of seasons yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 Draisai.... ahh f-it. Lets suck next year, land another big fish and then try to start winning in the 2018/19 season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckmen84 Posted June 30, 2017 Author Share Posted June 30, 2017 15 minutes ago, goalie13 said: You can't just throw an offer sheet at a player. He has to want to sign it. How many elite (or even above average) players are going to want to sign with one of the worst teams in the league? Well i think Johansen would be tempted to sign being from BC and all. We may be one of the worse teams in the league right now but Johansen is only 24 and could be inticed to play here. I mention these two players specifically because they are 24 and fill positional needs and fit our rebuild. I am a fan of building through the draft but if we could land one of these guys without giving up more then 2 firsts would it not be worth it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coastal.view Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 offer sheets do not work waste of time but keep dreaming about them if you wish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goalie13 Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 1 minute ago, canuckmen84 said: I am a fan of building through the draft but if we could land one of these guys without giving up more then 2 firsts would it not be worth it? To do that, you have to be south of $7.85M. Nashville would match in a heart beat. And I wouldn't assume that just because someone is from BC that they want to play here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaku Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 1 hour ago, King Heffy said: We are going to be a lottery team next year, with a good chance at picking one of the big 4. Any offer where they even consider not matching Johansen is going to cost two firsts, a second and third-round picks. Arvidsson would cost a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd. No way should we even consider paying that kind of price in the position we're in. Agreed. The picks the Canucks give up is far too many especially with the position the Canucks are in. Even if the Canucks don't land the 1st OA pick the top 5 next year are already projected to be top end impact players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckmen84 Posted June 30, 2017 Author Share Posted June 30, 2017 34 minutes ago, coastal.view said: offer sheets do not work waste of time but keep dreaming about them if you wish It's good to have a dream right lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckmen84 Posted June 30, 2017 Author Share Posted June 30, 2017 44 minutes ago, goalie13 said: To do that, you have to be south of $7.85M. Nashville would match in a heart beat. And I wouldn't assume that just because someone is from BC that they want to play here. You're right, they would match that offer for sure. Arvidsson would be a better choice as far as staying under 2 first go. I wouldn't assume a player wouldn't want to play here just because we are a losing team right now, Vancouver and the Canucks have a lot to offer. Of course I am just trying to be creative and optimistic here. Do i actually think an offer sheet will happen, no but it's always possible and fun ponder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucksfan3322 Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 12 hours ago, canuckmen84 said: Ryan Johansen or Viktor Arvidsson Both players are RFA's and both are Elite . Johansen would be my first choice and it's realy a no brainer why, Elite Center and a BC Boy to boot. The only problem i can see is the Preds do have the cap space to match most offers and they probably would but you never know. What i'm hearing is they want to sign Johansen for 7 mil/yr and Arvidsson for 5 mil/yr. They are both so important to Nashville but maybe a big offer could steer them away from one of them. So that being said what would it take to pry one of these guys and who would you choose to offer? The problem with this is giving up picks. Sure it would be nice to have this player but this is maybe a move to be done in a year or two after collecting some top end prospects Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coastal.view Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 9 hours ago, canuckmen84 said: It's good to have a dream right lol it's not a dream a fantasy when is the last time it worked for a significant player? really never only for a couple of bit players who were over paid and the signing team really did not benefit and created a lot of ill will most of the offers are simply matched and a lot of ill will is created anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaerToBo Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 12 hours ago, King Heffy said: We are going to be a lottery team next year, with a good chance at picking one of the big 4. Any offer where they even consider not matching Johansen is going to cost two firsts, a second and third-round picks. Arvidsson would cost a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd. No way should we even consider paying that kind of price in the position we're in. Who would you consider the top 4 in next years draft? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGuardian_ Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 Threats of offer sheets could open trade doors without causing a ton of animosity. Offer sheets I can remember, Carolina - Federov 25 mil, Philly - Kesler 1.75 mil, Vancouver - Backes 2.5 mil, St Louis - Bernier 2.5 mil, Edmonton - Penner 4.25 mil, Edmonton - O'Rielly 5 mil. Threatened, TO - Boston - Kessel..... They just don't happen very often, Burke should have been fined for all the bad press he created over the Penner deal, he really re-inforced the unwritten rule. Lots of talk of offer sheets but what if Horvat gets one? Is the team prepared to pay 10 mil over 6 years? Not that he will get that much but...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 4 hours ago, BaerToBo said: Who would you consider the top 4 in next years draft? Dahlin, Svechnikov, Tkachuk, Veleno Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 1 minute ago, King Heffy said: Dahlin, Svechnikov, Tkachuk, Veleno Hearing the younger Tkatchuk is more of a pain to play against than his brother, and is more skilled too. Going the college route though, so there is that concern Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted July 1, 2017 Share Posted July 1, 2017 On 2017-6-30 at 0:11 AM, DownUndaCanuck said: We were the 3rd worst team in the league last season, and have now lost Miller, Tryamkin and Sbisa. Our young forwards get a bit better, our veterans get a lot worse. Our young D get a lot better, our veteran defencemen get a fair bit worse. On the whole I'll be surprised if we manage to be as good as we were last season. No big pushes for the playoffs or throwing picks away for the next 2-3 years, this team just has to try and be competitive and face the fact that they'll have a bottom 5 finish for the next couple of seasons yet. Second worse team last year, third the year before, after losing Sbisa and Try we have a solid chance of continuing the trend to worse this season, especially if COL bounces back a bit which is likely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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